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    Thread: 2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec Full Test

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      02-22-2012 09:40 PM #51
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    2. 02-22-2012 10:00 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by NashGTI View Post
      that's like saying a Miata is more comparable to a Hyundai Tuscon than it would be to a Honda S2000 because they price out close to each other.
      Why are you not comparing the Hyundai to a 135I or 335I then?

    3. 02-22-2012 11:57 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      Not sure why InsideLine's numbers are so off for the G37 coupe...they put up similar or better numbers than the 3.8 R Spec all day long on the track, as well as the 370Z, anyone trapping only 101mph can't drive. So for the hyundai, with 20 more hp it's still most likely marginally slower than a 370Z/G37. I think I'd much rather take the turbo with potential for tuning.
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      Their numbers are from an '09 G37 if I'm not mistaken, they haven't re-tested any G's (even though we're in 2012) now, and their IPL G numbers are also way off. Seriously, trapping 101mph isn't the normal for any VQ37 car. And some broken-in 370's with a good driver and tires can break into the 12's. Just saying..the R-spec has 20 more hp and based on non-InsideLine numbers it's still not as quick...continuing the trend of Hyundai overrating their engines. This is a flawed comparison with crappy numbers used as the basis.

      Just for references, C&D numbers on the 370Z:
      0-60: 4.9s
      5-60: 5.6s
      1/4 mi.: 13.5 @ 106
      Roadholding, 300ft. skidpad: 0.97g
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      I'll wait for C&D and others to test the 3.8 R Spec as well. My point is that based on this comparison with IL's conservative numbers for the Z & G, it is making the Hyundai look good, but going by other tests, and considering the Hyundai has a HP advantage, it really isn't that great.
      IL's nos. are always slower across the board.

      Also, one has to take into consideration the weight of the vehicles as well as the torque nos.

      In the last Motor Trend comparison of the GenCoupe against the V6 pony cars, the GC had the quickest 0-60 time.

      GenCoupe - 5.8s
      Mustang - 6.2s
      Camaro - 6.1s

      http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html


      The GC splits the diff. btwn the Z and the G37, not as hardcore as the Z, but more track-ready than the G37.
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      02-23-2012 12:00 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by CP1 View Post
      IL's nos. are always slower across the board.

      In the last Motor Trend comparison of the GenCoupe against the V6 pony cars, the GC had the quickest 0-60 time.

      GenCoupe - 5.8s
      Mustang - 6.2s
      Camaro - 6.1s

      http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
      Yeah, but the Genesis was tested against a Mustang with the fuel-saver rear end. The 3.31 you get in the Performance ("Mayhem") package will negate that acceleration advantage, and anybody cross shopping a Mustang with a 3.8L Track or R-Spec Genesis is going to be looking at the Mayhem.

      That 3.7L Duratec is an overachiever. Even with the GCs 3.8 putting out 350hp, the Mustang is still going to give it a serious run for its money in the acceleration department.
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      Quote Originally Posted by atomicalex View Post
      Can we just have more boob pics, please?

    5. 02-23-2012 12:09 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by PassSedanGLX View Post
      Yeah, but the Genesis was tested against a Mustang with the fuel-saver rear end. The 3.31 you get in the Performance ("Mayhem") package will negate that acceleration advantage, and anybody cross shopping a Mustang with a 3.8L Track or R-Spec Genesis is going to be looking at the Mayhem.

      That 3.7L Duratec is an overachiever. Even with the GCs 3.8 putting out 350hp, the Mustang is still going to give it a serious run for its money in the acceleration department.
      Maybe so, but isn't the Performance package not offered on the slushbox Mustang?

      As for the whole fuel-saver thing...

      Despite this aggressiveness, the Genesis managed to score the top spot during our observed fuel-economy testing.
      Anyway, the point is, can't just look at one or a couple of 0-60 times - as they can fluctuate quite a bit from tester to tester; heck, publications testing the same model on diff. occasions also often get diff. times.
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      02-23-2012 12:12 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by CP1 View Post
      Maybe so, but isn't the Performance package not offered on the slushbox Mustang?
      You can buy the 3.31 rear end as an a la carte option on either transmission, or bundled with the Mayhem package on the stickshift car.
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      02-23-2012 12:31 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by InfinitiG View Post


      The Infiniti is a much better looking car and still has quite a bit nicer interior.
      Looks terrible in this shot.
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    8. 02-23-2012 12:38 AM #58
      ^^ Fair enough, but this whole Hyundai overstates its HP is a bunch of BS.

      Now, do they necessary make the best use of their HP/torque - often, no.

      For instance, IL tested the 2.0T on the dyno and it tested within the normal parameters.

      But Hyundai limited the torque in 1st and 2nd gear to mitigate torque steer (which is why in the reviews, they mention the lack of torque steer for something that's FWD and 270HP+) - so it isn't until 4th gear that the Sonata really is able to use its HP.

      At higher speeds is where the Sonata turbo really flies when you press on the pedal.

      In addition, Hyundai also tends to program its ATs for optimal fuel efficiency - which can diminish some of the fun factor.

      And as IL noted, Hyundai also isn't immune to over-protective electronic nannies.

      Yet our 2013 3.8 R-Spec tester probably would have been even quicker if it weren't for the drivetrain protection measure that Hyundai continues to program into all manual-shift Genesis Coupes. Upshift at the marked 6,750-rpm redline and you get a momentary cut in power in the next gear.
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      02-24-2012 03:23 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      It's a matter of price. If you know a G37 will cost you $45k and you can only afford a $35k car you're not going to look at a new G37, so no cross-shopping, unless used G37. Ok?

      The Z is a different story...they might be along the same price points (in fact a base Z with sport could be had cheaper than the new R-Spec it looks like)...but most people know the Z is a 2-seater and Z buyers aren't likely hot on Hyundai.

      Also, for me, a backseat in coupe's doesn't ever amount to anything..it either has 4 doors for me or not. If I wanted a coupe I'd probably take the Z knowing I don't need a backseat at all for the purpose of the car.
      I agree with the price part, but not the back seat part. I will be shopping for a new DD in about a year (or sooner if my 12yo truck dies on me). I want it to be fun, sporty, reliable, and it MUST have a backseat, just in case i need to tote the kids around, which happens occasionally. A new G37 is out for me, due to price (but will still consider a CPO for around $30k). The 370Z is out due to no back seat. I will consider the Scion/Sub twins, but that seems a bit small. The Mustang and Camaro are out because of image (my wife thinks only rednecks drive them). Add in the great warranty, and Hyundai has a great car here. If i do get one, i would look into painting that front crossbar body-color, though...

      BTW, i will also be cross-shopping the Golf R if they are lingering on lots, the WRX, and probably used 335i.

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      02-24-2012 03:34 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by CP1 View Post
      ^^ Fair enough, but this whole Hyundai overstates its HP is a bunch of BS.

      Now, do they necessary make the best use of their HP/torque - often, no.

      For instance, IL tested the 2.0T on the dyno and it tested within the normal parameters.
      I don't think Hyundai over-rates their engines. I just think Ford under-rated the D37. The Lightning Lap results speak for themselves there. There's no way the Ford was only putting out 305hp the way it spanked the Gen Coupe with the speed limiter intact.

      Quote Originally Posted by CP1 View Post
      And as IL noted, Hyundai also isn't immune to over-protective electronic nannies.
      Not a good thing, btw. Those nannies are annoying as hell and can get in the way when you're trying to put down a good lap time.
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      Quote Originally Posted by atomicalex View Post
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      02-24-2012 03:45 PM #61
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      02-24-2012 03:59 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by PassSedanGLX View Post
      The Mustang GT references are going to be unending, but here's a quick reality check: A GT/Brembo Mustang is $4k more than the 3.8 R-Spec, and to boot, the Mustang's brakes are still fade-prone, so it's going to cost more on top of that to get the same track performance that you get out of the box with the Hyundai.

      The R-Spec is still the performance bargain for this category. It may not be much faster than the Mustang V6 on paper, but it's a far, far more capable track weapon.
      Personally, I found the V6 Mustang to be way more fun on the track. Also, the Brembos in the Gen Coupe fade quickly too...
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      02-24-2012 04:11 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by JtotheG View Post
      Personally, I found the V6 Mustang to be way more fun on the track. Also, the Brembos in the Gen Coupe fade quickly too...
      I couldn't fade the 3.8 R-Spec's Brembos at VIR, and that's a fast track.
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      Quote Originally Posted by atomicalex View Post
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      02-25-2012 04:20 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by PassSedanGLX View Post
      I couldn't fade the 3.8 R-Spec's Brembos at VIR, and that's a fast track.
      So, it is better than the Nissan/Infiniti!


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      Am thinking a lighter color would look better. White, Silver, etc...

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      02-26-2012 06:48 AM #65
      While you cannot ignore hard numbers, I think that driving feel is much more important than just the numbers. The pre-face lifted GC was a potent car by itself by providing great chassis and handling characteristics. It's great that the GC has gotten a big power improvement in just mid cycle refreshment. It doesn't happen very often.

      I suspect that the new GC R-spec would probably feel just in between 370z and G37c. From my experiences, 370z is a pure sports car, while G37c is more of a GT car. I have been shopping for a new car recently, and I have considered both. They are all comparable in price if you want a fully loaded car like me, with 370z at ~42k, G37c and Audi TT around 45k.

      Unfortunately, I found that none of these cars were perfect for me. While I like how they look, 370z was too rough and impractical for a daily driver, even though G 6MT was much more quiet and smooth while being agile, its clutch feel was such a letdown. Plus, the engine was harsh at high RPM and the car felt heavy. It still offered a good power, biggest room out of three (which doesn't say much), and tons of tech stuffs. I liked TT for its seats, driving position, unique design, and the handling. DSG was better than I expected even though it's still no manual. While torque was great for daily driver, it could use little more HP. AWD is a plus for bad weather.

      For someone like me, who needs a fun to drive daily driver, you could consider all these cars including GC. I'm not a fan of a new GC exterior, but it's probably worth a test drive. The driving feel is way more important than just hard numbers for a lot of people. Of course, you can't ignore looks. Unfortunately, I don't like how mustang looks, and 335i costs 10k more fully loaded.

      Anyways, it's exciting to see improved GC, as more competition is better. It's just unfortunate that I can't find a perfect fun loaded daily driver for 45k...

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      02-26-2012 09:33 AM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by 10minutes View Post
      I suspect that the new GC R-spec would probably feel just in between 370z and G37c. From my experiences, 370z is a pure sports car, while G37c is more of a GT car. I have been shopping for a new car recently, and I have considered both. They are all comparable in price if you want a fully loaded car like me, with 370z at ~42k, G37c and Audi TT around 45k.
      Yea, the clutch in the 370Z/G37 has always been a thorn in the side for me..hence why I drive the 7AT G37 now (which btw, I find underrated..the 7AT is perfect for this car), but like you said, it's no manual. I think the GC is still worth checking out as well, and I've seen a few around here in person lately..I think they show much better than in the photos, and seem more aggressive looking in real life. Although I think the new front grille is a step back.

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    19. 03-14-2012 10:23 AM #69
      DAMN - 5.2 in 0 to 60 - very nice!

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      Quote Originally Posted by AeroBuilders View Post
      DAMN - 5.2 in 0 to 60 - very nice!
      i know huh. I am really looking at one of these for my next car..the 3.8 track model sounds quite good .

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      03-14-2012 11:37 AM #71
      I wonder if the 2.0 R-Spec will come without cruise control again. I could see picking one of those up for sure.
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