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    View Poll Results: Which entry level 2 door RWD sports coupe do you prefer?

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    • Scion FR-S/Subaru BR-Z

      176 76.52%
    • Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T

      54 23.48%
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    Thread: 2013 Genesis Coupe 2.0t vs. Scion FR-S/Subaru BR-Z

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      02-23-2012 11:34 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by joe97 View Post
      Actually, it's the other way around. Power to weight for the Genesis is around 12:1; the FR-S is at least 13:1
      Additionally, the torque difference is HUGE:

      GC: 275 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm
      BRZ/FRS: 151 lb-ft @ 6600 rpm
      Last edited by BLK9GEN; 02-23-2012 at 11:37 PM.

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      02-24-2012 12:08 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by jwaters943 View Post
      If I could only afford to have one car: Genesis

      It's just more practical and likely more comfortable for tall guys like me. I also MUCH prefer the interior (minus the silly center stack gauges).

      If we are talking about a second car and not a DD, I'd probably pick the Scion, but it would depend on the price.
      My reasoning as well, with one difference: if it was a second car, I'd chose the same car I would have chosen before the FR-S:


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      02-24-2012 12:12 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by jwaters943 View Post
      Additionally, the torque difference is HUGE:

      GC: 275 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm
      BRZ/FRS: 151 lb-ft @ 6600 rpm
      I'm just curious, where did you find these numbers? I don't follow Hyundai at all, but just found out a friend bought a 2.0T R-Spec so this peaked my interest.

      I found 210hp and 223tq here...http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis-co...fications.aspx
      Engineers do it better.

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      02-24-2012 12:14 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by SCIROCCO SPEED View Post
      I'm just curious, where did you find these numbers? I don't follow Hyundai at all, but just found out a friend bought a 2.0T R-Spec so this peaked my interest.

      I found 210hp and 223tq here...http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis-co...fications.aspx
      2013 models get a boost in horsepower and torque.

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      02-24-2012 12:16 AM #55
      ah, very nice. Do you know if they use the same turbo and other hardware? or is it just tuned a little hotter?
      Engineers do it better.

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      02-24-2012 12:41 AM #56
      I may be in a minority but I think the GC looks pretty good. But still, I would pick the FR-S/BR-Z because lightcar.
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    7. 02-24-2012 05:11 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by SCIROCCO SPEED View Post
      ah, very nice. Do you know if they use the same turbo and other hardware? or is it just tuned a little hotter?
      The basic engine is more or less carried over from the pre-refreshed version but it now has a larger intercooler and new twin scroll designs.

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      02-24-2012 12:23 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by joe97 View Post
      The basic engine is more or less carried over from the pre-refreshed version but it now has a larger intercooler and new twin scroll designs.
      The previous engine was called Theta and the new engine (along with the 2.4 in the sonata) is called the Theta II. Take that for what it's worth.
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      02-24-2012 01:53 PM #59
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    10. 02-24-2012 02:12 PM #60
      Genesis Coupe, because I drive on roads not tracks. The lack of torque would be really annoying on a daily driver.

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      02-24-2012 02:25 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by bora-brazil View Post
      Genesis Coupe, because I drive on roads not tracks. The lack of torque would be really annoying on a daily driver.
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      02-24-2012 02:34 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by bmann View Post
      Not sure if serious.
      let's not let this thread devolve into another OMG NO TORKS!!! poo-flinging contest. It's already been covered. If he finds 151 lbs-ft. to be inadequate, it's his prerogative to express that here.

      For the record, I daily drive a car with 110 lbs-ft. of torque and it's absolutely fine
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      02-24-2012 03:25 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by greatfox View Post
      let's not let this thread devolve into another OMG NO TORKS!!! poo-flinging contest. It's already been covered. If he finds 151 lbs-ft. to be inadequate, it's his prerogative to express that here.

      For the record, I daily drive a car with 110 lbs-ft. of torque and it's absolutely fine
      Here's the rub, at least with me. There is NO doubt that a car with low hp/torque can be a lot of fun. It can even be very "sporty", as I'm sure the Toyobaru is (based on the early reviews), but it cannot IMO be a true "sports car". Maybe my definition is flawed, but good steering, a well-sorted transmission, and a playful RWD chassis only go so far. In my experience, the vast majority of people who want "sports cars" want something with some real grunt under the hood. Unless the Boxer 4 is terribly underrated, 151 lb-ft of torque is pretty pathetic in any car that claims to be a sports car in 2013. If the NA-model really does weigh 100-200 lbs. more than it's JDM counterpart, I have little doubt that it will get raped in a stoplight war against a V6 RAV4, let alone most/all of the coupes in it's estimated price range. That's just.....sad.

      /rant

      And yes, I know speed isn't everything, but will most buyers in this segment be about to look past it? I have my doubts.

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      02-24-2012 03:27 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by greatfox View Post
      let's not let this thread devolve into another OMG NO TORKS!!! poo-flinging contest. It's already been covered. If he finds 151 lbs-ft. to be inadequate, it's his prerogative to express that here.
      And it's our perogative to remind him he's full of ****.

      For the record, I daily drive a car with 110 lbs-ft. of torque and it's absolutely fine
      Many peopel have and lived to tell the tale.

      Anyone remember this car? 200 hp, 150 lb ft of torque, 2800 lbs?



      Even now it will pass a ot of cars. Uphill. Rapidly.



      Same for this 150 hp, 2700 lb car. Both of the above had the same torque as the BRZ and still have no problem getting out of their own way. In fact, the BRZ seems to be almost identical to those two in layout and mission. The 944 was only a half inch longer than the BRZ, as was the RX7. All three have similar wheelbases, as well. The fact that they are so similar in all respects is amazing, actually.

      If TRD is working on a supercharger kit for the car, then it may end up much like the FD RX7 or the 944 turbo in size and capability. But even the standard one's hp and torque should be more than adequate for street speeds and track shenanigans.
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      02-24-2012 03:29 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by jwaters943 View Post
      Here's the rub, at least with me. There is NO doubt that a car with low hp/torque can be a lot of fun. It can even be very "sporty", as I'm sure the Toyobaru is (based on the early reviews), but it cannot IMO be a true "sports car". Maybe my definition is flawed,
      See my post above. True sports cars have been made IDENTICAL to the FR-S/BRZ in layout, size and power. MOST pure sports car over the years have had less power. Like the original RX7, the MGB, the Fiat 124 Spider, the Alfa Duetto, etc. Power isn't the defining hallmark of a true sports car. Never was, never will be.
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      02-24-2012 03:39 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      See my post above. True sports cars have been made IDENTICAL to the FR-S/BRZ in layout, size and power. MOST pure sports car over the years have had less power. Like the original RX7, the MGB, the Fiat 124 Spider, the Alfa Duetto, etc. Power isn't the defining hallmark of a true sports car. Never was, never will be.
      Yes, but this is a 2013 MY car. Comparing it to cars of the past is a weak defense IMO. New sports car buyers expect new sports car power.

      For the record, I'm not trying to trash the Scion/Subaru. It looks like a great car in it's own right.

    17. 02-24-2012 03:40 PM #67
      Subaru BR-Z. I prefer small and light. Genesis coupe is as big as a Mustang.

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      02-24-2012 03:42 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by jwaters943 View Post
      Yes, but this is a 2013 MY car. Comparing it to cars of the past is a weak defense IMO. New sports car buyers expect new sports car power.
      Doesnt' mean it's not a sports car.

      Though to be accurate, it's a small GT. Same with the 944 and RX7, due to none of them being 2 seat convertibles.
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      02-24-2012 03:50 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by Jesse View Post
      Genesis coupe is as big as a Mustang.
      It's smaller in every dimension, most notably length, but there is no denying that its closer to the Mustang than the BR-Z in terms of size.

      Just FYI....

      Hyundai GC: (L) 182.3" (W) 73.4" (H) 54.5" (Base curb weight) 3362 lbs.
      Ford Mustang: (L) 188.1" (W) 73.9" (H) 55.1" (Base curb weight) 3453 lbs.

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      02-24-2012 03:51 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by jwaters943 View Post
      Maybe my definition is flawed, but good steering, a well-sorted transmission, and a playful RWD chassis only go so far. In my experience, the vast majority of people who want "sports cars" want something with some real grunt under the hood. Unless the Boxer 4 is terribly underrated, 151 lb-ft of torque is pretty pathetic in any car that claims to be a sports car in 2013.
      Actually a sports car is a convertible.

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      02-24-2012 03:53 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by Jesse View Post
      Subaru BR-Z. I prefer small and light. Genesis coupe is as big as a Mustang.
      I too am a small/light car person. I liked this pic from the other thread:


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      02-24-2012 03:56 PM #72
      My old dd (Toyota Matrix) had 120 ft-lbs, and my s2k has 161 ft-lbs or so. Its more than adequate, and I used to roll around in a S550. Really, torque is overrated unless you're scared of touching the pedal every now and then.

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    23. 02-24-2012 04:00 PM #73
      I'll take one of the FTs.

      You can add power to it.

      You can't remove 600 lbs from a Gen Coupe.

      If I was OK with something bigger/heavier, I'd want V8 sounds anyway.

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      02-24-2012 04:07 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by jwaters943 View Post
      Yes, but this is a 2013 MY car. Comparing it to cars of the past is a weak defense IMO. New sports car buyers expect new sports car power.

      For the record, I'm not trying to trash the Scion/Subaru. It looks like a great car in it's own right.
      This mentality of "my car is 2 years newer therefore it must be faster" has to end sooner or later. And that's exactly what Toyota said. Nurburgring times? Who cares. Car is quick and fun? Yes.

      For perspective, a 911 is 4.5 0-60, an Evo/WRX is 5, a 2011 GTI/GLI is 6.9 and a Honda Fit is 8.9. The GC is 5.5ish. If the FRS/BRZ is anywhere between 5.9 and 7 I think it's going to be just fine. I agree that there is a point where a sports car has to at least be quick if not fastest, but it's not like we're talking 10 seconds to 60 here. And so far reviews say the shifting/steering is top notch in the Toybaru which I'll gladly sacrafice 0-60 for.

      I don't think your 11 Sonata is slow with the 2.4 or the 2.0T (rented one, loved it) - and it's 0-60 is 7.7 (2.4) or 6.5 (2.0T), mostl likely still slower than the Toy.

    25. 02-24-2012 04:12 PM #75
      the track-tuned one is very appealing :

      http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/24/s...ed-brz-for-uk/

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