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    Thread: Newer Dodge Challenger - Puppy Killing Fuel Tank Doors

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      02-24-2012 01:26 AM #36
      Ouch! I would be infuriated!

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      02-24-2012 01:31 AM #37
      It looks as though the fuel doors are mounted too low in the recessed area. ****ty.

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      02-24-2012 01:35 AM #38
      Sucky slight oversight, causes sucky damage. Damn...

      What do you think the dealer is going to do?

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      02-24-2012 01:58 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by JacksSenseOfRejection View Post
      Sucky slight oversight, causes sucky damage. Damn...

      What do you think the dealer is going to do?
      He's going to say - they're lease returns/demos/rentals - what do you expect for $25K?

      It's funny how non-chalantly (sp?!) people can just toss out tens of thousands of dollars but will drive across town to save a nickel on gas or milk

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      02-24-2012 02:06 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by veedub87 View Post
      Are you aware that Iron 883s start at$7,999 brand new? You're f*ckin' right they had 'room to move'.
      That gets you a bone stock bike.

      You can get that to $10k with just HD options. I don't disbelieve that this bike stickered/is worth $10k, seeing the way it was customized. It had the sidekick seat with extension, the black pipes, heat shields, black headers, big black wheels, the alarm / immobilizer - at least.

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      The GM told me he had it appraised and it came back at $14k. He thought $11k would be reasonable to get it sold.

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      02-24-2012 02:45 AM #42
      it still looks like vandalism to me. I bet you could wrench on most car's fuel caps and cause that sort of damage.
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      02-24-2012 02:48 AM #43
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      02-24-2012 03:41 AM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by PsyberVW View Post
      That gets you a bone stock bike.

      You can get that to $10k with just HD options. I don't disbelieve that this bike stickered/is worth $10k, seeing the way it was customized. It had the sidekick seat with extension, the black pipes, heat shields, black headers, big black wheels, the alarm / immobilizer - at least.

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      The GM told me he had it appraised and it came back at $14k. He thought $11k would be reasonable to get it sold.
      NO 883 Sportster is worth 14K. I don't care if the pipes were plated gold....14K for an 883 is a gaddam ripoff, 11K used is even ridiculousness. I just "built" one on the HD Bike builder and I couldn't get it over 11K, and that's new. If you're going to pay 11K for a used bike, get a Dyna, don't waste your money on an 883.
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      02-24-2012 06:25 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Lithium Lotus View Post
      You get the same free dent caused by the door mirrors on 07-12 Wranglers if you let them open too far. The mirror hits the cowl panel by the windshield. The doors use limiting straps instead of the more common interior door hinges.

      It's known as the JK dent.

      That's not really a design flaw, if the owner is disabling the device that is meant to prevent the damage in the first place.

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      02-24-2012 07:33 AM #47
      Wait... who the frankenhole leans on their gas cap when it is open?

      Is this another victim of our overweight society - one that needs to lean on something whenever standing semi-erect?
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      02-24-2012 08:17 AM #48
      Totally unacceptable. They should be killing baby seals.
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      02-24-2012 08:20 AM #49
      this is worst than VW's Mk3 gas cap rust problem.
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      02-24-2012 08:53 AM #50
      This car weighs WAY to much to care for it.


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      02-24-2012 09:09 AM #51
      I've never seen a Challenger with this damage in the real world. I'm thinking either something wasn't properly fitted on this run of cars, or somebody went out and ****ed with them on purpose.

      Dealer fire any lot attendants recently?
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      02-24-2012 10:01 AM #52
      Looks like their lot jockeys are complete idiots. "Lets see, I dented one of them filling it up so let me push on the door on every other one I fill up."
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      02-24-2012 10:36 AM #53
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      02-24-2012 10:42 AM #54
      They throw in the free dent and swirl marks!

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      02-24-2012 10:51 AM #55
      That has to either be the worlds thinnest sheet metal or the open / return spring in that door is REALLY strong.

      A dent guy could pull that out but if its a design flaw is just going to keep happening until a fix is made or the owner is really careful.
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      02-24-2012 10:59 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by fixmy59bug View Post
      Matt,

      You aren't talking about the jack alignment "divots" are you?

      On each end of the rocker panel, about 6" from the end, there is a little dent, or divot.

      They are on almost all Vw's. It marks the spot where the pinch weld has been reinforced and is the safe spot to jack the car up.
      See red circle. I think it came when I put in my coils and had a few hard impacts from potholes.

    22. 02-24-2012 11:04 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by finklejag View Post
      They throw in the free dent and swirl marks!
      This.


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      02-24-2012 11:21 AM #58
      I don't understand the logic behind the statement "it's too perfect for vandalism"...

      is the idea that this happened at the factory? at what point were all of these cars gassed up at a gas station?

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      02-24-2012 12:52 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by MatchStick View Post
      I don't understand the logic behind the statement "it's too perfect for vandalism"...

      is the idea that this happened at the factory? at what point were all of these cars gassed up at a gas station?
      Vandalism in the sense that, it wasn't a guy with a sock full of bearings whipping each car. If it was some guy running down the aisle yanking on the doors - then perhaps.

      If you lightly open the door, it doesn't quite reach the metal. But if you open it with any force, there isn't much resistance - it just swings out until it hits the car.

      I could easily see a person in a hurry at a pump grabbing it and swinging it open real quick - overshooting the "safe" zone and denting the car in a second.

      These cars aren't brand new - they are all "prior rentals" - not sure if that means dealer demos or lease returns.. Which is what makes the issue more compelling - different owners/drivers could have all incurred the same damage - not just 1 guy who feels underpaid and un-appreciated..

      Regardless, I still contend that the factory parts shouldn't allow this to happen at all.

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      02-24-2012 01:07 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by PsyberVW View Post
      Vandalism in the sense that, it wasn't a guy with a sock full of bearings whipping each car. If it was some guy running down the aisle yanking on the doors - then perhaps.

      If you lightly open the door, it doesn't quite reach the metal. But if you open it with any force, there isn't much resistance - it just swings out until it hits the car.

      I could easily see a person in a hurry at a pump grabbing it and swinging it open real quick - overshooting the "safe" zone and denting the car in a second.

      These cars aren't brand new - they are all "prior rentals" - not sure if that means dealer demos or lease returns.. Which is what makes the issue more compelling - different owners/drivers could have all incurred the same damage - not just 1 guy who feels underpaid and un-appreciated..

      Regardless, I still contend that the factory parts shouldn't allow this to happen at all.
      The thing is, if it's really universal, I don't see why nobody else has seen any complaints about it before. Usually stuff like this becomes forum fodder almost instantly. Hell, Jalopnik would have it if it were legit.
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      02-24-2012 01:15 PM #61
      EDIT- video removed. wrong gas cap. I am stupid.

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      If you open the door with stupid force and it swings back and hits the metal and causes damage, then I say that is 100% user error.
      (just like you can open a door with stupid force and actually cause damage)
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      02-24-2012 01:19 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      I don't buy the "it is swung open and causes damage" explanation unless the cap is like 30 lbs (it needs some mass to swing and then cause damage when it hits).

      And this suggests there is a stop.



      If you open the door with stupid force and it swings back and hits the metal and causes damage, then I say that is 100% user error.
      THAT IS NOT THE CAP. ARGUMENT INVALID



      I am also really suprised there isn't more of an uproar over this- I'm guessing the people that buy these models (non R/T) are similar to those who buy the base model Mustang or Cavalier.

      I have a suspicion that now that I've noticed this, I'll probably see it more often on other similar cars. I have confirmed this on at least 1 other lot, so it's NOT dealer specific in my small sample.

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      02-24-2012 01:20 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by PsyberVW View Post
      Guess I can only do 4 pics from mobile..

      Keep in mind I'm using the flash on an iPhone, so it washes out some of the shadow to make them not look so deep. These are 4 different cars on the lot- 3 silver ones and 1 black one.


      That middle picture really catches it - ouch.

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      02-24-2012 01:32 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by PsyberVW View Post
      THAT IS NOT THE CAP. ARGUMENT INVALID



      I am also really suprised there isn't more of an uproar over this- I'm guessing the people that buy these models (non R/T) are similar to those who buy the base model Mustang or Cavalier.

      I have a suspicion that now that I've noticed this, I'll probably see it more often on other similar cars. I have confirmed this on at least 1 other lot, so it's NOT dealer specific in my small sample.
      Oh- my bad.

      But how does this cap open? Is is a pop open type thing, or does it have a remote lever in the cabin you pull?
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      02-24-2012 01:38 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Oh- my bad.

      But how does this cap open? Is is a pop open type thing, or does it have a remote lever in the cabin you pull?
      You yank on it with your finger until it dents the fender

      It's not a push/pop, and I didn't need a key/interior switch to just pull it open. See the big bubble? You put your in finger in there.

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      02-24-2012 01:40 PM #66
      You know, doing bodywork for years, that sort of damage on both the fender AND the cap (as is evidenced by that last pic) shows a lot of force being put on it. I can't imagine that happening from simply oening the door, or even a careless minor push. Makes me want to go check out the local dealerships to see if it's common here, too. And to see just what kind of force it takes to open that door too far.
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      02-24-2012 01:44 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      You know, doing bodywork for years, that sort of damage on both the fender AND the cap (as is evidenced by that last pic) shows a lot of force being put on it. I can't imagine that happening from simply oening the door, or even a careless minor push. Makes me want to go check out the local dealerships to see if it's common here, too. And to see just what kind of force it takes to open that door too far.
      Maybe so. I didn't want to test it on the one car that didn't have the dent, though

      But I think in general, people are rough/clumsy with things. I take care of my things, so I have a certain way I treat them. But I've had passengers/co-workers who are pretty rough/careless on cars. If they were my kids, I'd be yelling at them.

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      02-24-2012 02:16 PM #68
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      That middle picture really catches it - ouch.

      edit: Enlarged and hotlinked for the OCD crowd...

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      02-24-2012 02:25 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by PsyberVW View Post
      See the big bubble? You put your in finger in there.
      That's what she said!

      I'd be pissed if I did that to my car, but if I was purchasing it like that I'd make it a point for further negotiation on price.

      And yeah, I woulnd't pay $11K for that 883 either.
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