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      02-24-2012 10:32 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by GahannaKid View Post
      I got into a fairly bad accident in a classic car. Lady pulled out in front of me and I hit her at ~45-50 mph. I was knocked out for a moment (don't know how long, I was unconscious) but was otherwise able to walk away with only a bloody chin. She was in a 04 Explorer and was taken away in an ambulance. In short I wouldn't worry about safety in a classic car.
      Anecdotes are not data. While I don't discount the story, the data that's out there says that statistically you will be much safer in a modern car.

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      02-24-2012 10:33 AM #27
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      I daily'd my '74 Celica for a little over a year, including a 900 mile round trip to San Francisco and back. It was the cheapest car to operate I've ever had. Needed nothing except a quart of oil every 1000 miles. 40+ MPG and all the style I could ask for.

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      02-24-2012 10:36 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Smigelski View Post
      Anecdotes are not data. While I don't discount the story, the data that's out there says that statistically you will be much safer in a modern car.
      Statistically there are vastly more modern cars getting into accidents than classic cars.

      You can spin statistics however you want, The fact is, it's not really that dangerous to DD a classic vs a normal car. As I said, statistically 97% of drivers don't get into accidents at all. Just be part of that 97%.
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      02-24-2012 10:42 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by dtrain88 View Post
      I don't know about where you live but around here it's a hell of a lot cheaper to find complete engine out of late model vehicles that run and to get parts for them then to buy engine parts and origanal engines for late 60's mustangs and Cameron's, not to mention the cost and time of getting 40+ year old engine to run if it's been sitting up for a while.

      If your buying a classic car that already runs/has been somewhat restored, well that may be a different story
      sbf sbc sbm are all motors that have been in production for close to 40 years respectively as well as their transmissions and even rears. Jegs/summit have literally every part you need to fix them. Points can be easily replaced with a pertronics style electronic ignition conversion. There is plentyy of aftermarket support for any of the big 3 cars including the whole driveline. I myself enjoy the older cars and love driving them and you shouldnt be scared to daily one!
      Quote Originally Posted by 04_GLI_ View Post
      Yeah still drove it home bout 60 miles. Didn't know it was a broken timming belt, drove fine just made a lil noise.

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      02-24-2012 11:18 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by kerridwen View Post
      2. Parts availability. Tons of NLA parts means that you'll have to be hunting for used parts. Most of the "consumables" are easy to get ahold of, but some more "obscure" parts will take the vehicle out of comission for months.
      That's entirely according to the car.


      Quote Originally Posted by kerridwen View Post
      3. Insurance. How will the vehicle be valued? Just due to the part availability it can be totalled in a fender bender.
      Also according to the car and your insurer. I have an agreed upon value of my Beetle at $6,000. It's not a lot of money to them, but I sure as hell don't want to eat that if someone crunches her. No, I can't get extra if someone ruins the original paint, but otherwise, no problem.

      Quote Originally Posted by kerridwen View Post
      4. Reliability. It's old. Even after tearing it down and rebuilding from scratch, the parts remain old, and newer vehicles are leaps and bounds ahead in reliability compared to cars from the 70s or 80s. Cars from the 60s? Puhlease. I really, REALLY doubt anyone considers "points" to be fun, specially when they decide to burn in the middle of nowhere at midnight. I had an old Datsun, my Grandmother's last car, and I always had a coil, condenser, points and distributor cap in the trunk, just in case.
      Points can easily be replaced with a myriad of electronic ignition types. The only reason I don't have one in my Beetle, is that it's a 6 volt car and Barry informed me that on the Pertronix, if the voltage drops too far (such as during starting in colder weather) it can't function and the car won't start. He pulled it off of his Porsche for that very reason. There are other 6 volt systems, but they involve an external module and don't fit the character of the car at all.

      Quote Originally Posted by kerridwen View Post
      Actually, I learnt most of that with my Grandma's car. It was a cute 70s Datsun (not a 510, it was a 610J) that I tried to keep running in the early 2000's, but it was just way too much trouble. I remember I couldn't get a gasket for the air filter housing, the gasket on the brake fluid deposit was gone and it seemed to be made out of unobtanium, etc. I could get the consumables for a tune up anywhere, but everything else involved at least half day hunting for parts.
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      02-24-2012 11:39 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      Statistically there are vastly more modern cars getting into accidents than classic cars.

      You can spin statistics however you want, The fact is, it's not really that dangerous to DD a classic vs a normal car. As I said, statistically 97% of drivers don't get into accidents at all. Just be part of that 97%.
      What I was referring to was the fact that older cars perform worse in crash tests than modern cars do (see the video of the '59 Impala crashing into the '09 Malibu, and others). Just because one anecdote says that the classic car driver walked away with scratches while the model car driver was taken to the hospital doesn't mean that classic cars are inherently safer than modern cars.

      As far as the bolded part goes, very few people get to choose and and if they are in an automobile accident.

      I'm not saying that driving the classic car isn't worth the additional risk. I drive an older, less safe car all the time and I don't think twice about it. The same thing applies to all those riding motorcycles. Just don't think that classic cars and motorcycles are just as safe as modern cars.

    7. 02-24-2012 11:41 AM #32
      I DD a '49 Chevy 1/2 ton pickup slammed with 400sb and powerglide for a few years not too long ago. It's not all that bad if you're fine giving up some of the luxuries of modern car. My truck was super easy to work on, as I assume since you're looking at Mustangs and Camaro yours would be too. Parts are readily available and not very expensive either. I think now days you can pretty much build some classics cars right out of a catalog if you wanted. Gas for me horribile, with the powerglide, a small gas tank, I got 8 mpg or so, and could only go about 100-120 miles on a tank of gas, so I spent quite a bit of time filling it up. That didn't matter much to me though cause A) I bought the truck cheap, so no car payment and B)insurance was like $30/mo or so. I didn't get it appraised, I just carried liability on it. My truck was a bare bones kind of truck, no heat, no AC, windows rattled like crazy, seating was not very comfortable, and the GF hated riding in it. I don't think I'd ever DD a classic again unless I was able to spend the $$$ to add a lot of modern luxuries to it. I'd like to get another classic though, this time I want a 67-72 Chevy shortbed though.

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      02-24-2012 11:45 AM #33
      I used the Mini in the U-Haul as a DD through HS and College.

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      02-24-2012 11:46 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Eightysixturbo View Post
      20-25k can you get you a good restored mach 1. It's not gonna have a 400 but it will look pretty and drive quickly. Again the problems with these old cars have to due with mechanicals, highway revs, and most importantly rust.

      Check this car out.


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      I have this EXACT car in 1/18 scale by Autoart. I would be all over that like white on rice.

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      02-24-2012 11:51 AM #35
      I DD'd a 79 El Camino

      + Somewhat Reliable
      + ez to work on

      - Floats
      - Sh*t MPG
      - Not fast enough for MPG
      - Terrible Handling
      - Terrible brakes
      - Bad steering feel
      - Bad seats
      - Weather=GG
      - 20 year old bolts are annoying


      i also DD'd a ?82? scirocco. The list is extremely different if we were talking about that
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      02-24-2012 12:40 PM #36
      I DD'd my Nova for 3 years. But It had a six banger in it for 2 of those three years. Gas was only 1.50 a gallon too. It was fun and reliable. I wouldn't want to daily mine again until I upgrade the brakes, 4 wheel drum's doesn't stop to well. If you have a short commute and don't care about gas prices go for it. But like other people said 3 speed auto's with 373's or 411's suck.

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      02-24-2012 12:51 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by dtrain88 View Post
      buy engine parts and origanal engines for late 60's mustangs and Cameron's, not to mention the cost and time of getting 40+ year old engine to run if it's been sitting up for a while.

      Those engines are extremely common and easy to get parts for.
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      02-24-2012 01:03 PM #38
      There are a lot of people in the Aircooled forum that DD their Type I, II, Ghias, Things, IV's with mpg's in the 30's and dirt cheap prices for parts. As soon as I can get enough money I am going to pick up a 60's-early 70's bug or notchback.

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      02-24-2012 01:04 PM #39
      I've driven my '67 Mustang with a 302 4 barrel twice now as a daily. I drove just recently every day 40 miles to work and back. My restore is not perfect but the car is in decent shape. I only had a few problems driving it. One, was gas mileage was horrible, i was putting $80 a week in gas. The other was no radio, which is a simple fix of course. I also had a problem with a few random things going out or need to be replaced, but it is a 40 year old car and those things were not replaced during the restore. It was not fun in the rain, mine does not have a/c so it fogged up and I had to drive with the windows cracked, even in the winter time. Also traction was a problem with a V8 and narrow tires.

      I just wanted to give you some advice from someone who has done it a few times. I love driving my car but it's not my first choice for a daily driver. Also, to find a decent car that is not super rare you should probably only spend around $10k or less.

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      02-24-2012 01:09 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Smigelski View Post
      Anecdotes are not data. While I don't discount the story, the data that's out there says that statistically you will be much safer in a modern car.
      There is no denying that newer vehicles are safer. That said if you wear your seatbelts in all but the most serious of accidents you should be fine. There is no reason to fear an older vehicle


      Quote Originally Posted by c0mmon View Post
      - Terrible breaks
      Whenever something breaks, isn't that terrible
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      02-24-2012 01:26 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Smigelski View Post
      Anecdotes are not data. While I don't discount the story, the data that's out there says that statistically you will be much safer in a modern car.
      And you'll be safer in an Excursion than in an NSX, should we all buy Excursions?

      I'm guessing you don't ride motorcycles.



      I DD a '78 Mercedes 240D 4spd, and so far it's about as painless as classic cars gets. Parts are a little more expensive than your typical American iron, but it's also built like a brick.

      Methinks people shxtting on this idea haven't ever done it before. Most old cars are pretty simple, have WIDE parts availability (especially Mustangs and Camaros), are easy for any mechanic to work on, are equally easy to DIY, and are perfectly comfortable to DD.

      If you're hell-bent on your DD having Bluetooth or whatever, why even wander into this thread?

      Granted, something old and uncommon may not be such a good idea, because when something breaks, no matter how reliable, it will be tough to get parts, but you can literally build a 60's Mustang from spare parts these days. It may as well be a 90's Civic, but it's easier to work on, looks better, and gets crappier gas mileage. It's not exactly a Hispano-Suiza.

      I can't imagine wanting to own one if I didn't DIY, but honestly I can't imagine wanting to own any car if I couldn't DIY.
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      02-24-2012 01:47 PM #42
      It depends on what you mean by a classic car, you could daily drive a classic pony car without any trouble what so ever. It would be no less reliable than a modern car and much easier/cheaper to fix.

      The question becomes can you daily drive a Valuable classic car, do you trust people to leave your car alone when you're not around? Another question is the ability to actually use the damn thing, I've almost got to plan ahead with my old Pontiac because there are some places you just can't physically fit the car. The up side, I've put a water pump on it, $30, and an alternator, $36. If it needed shocks it would require about $20 a piece.

      The flip side of cars is classic motorcycles, those become much more of an issue but are still doable. I ride my 79 Honda regularly to work and back from about April until the end of October. There is definately much more of a tradeoff in bikes than cars though, if a car from the 60s is well maintained it will drive like a car from the 90s no problem, a well maintained bike from the 70s will ride like a well maintained bike from the 40s. It's not a problem for me, I've had the thing for years and know what to expect. Everyone I've ever let take it around the block though says they won't get on it again, and I've actually been told a couple times I'm crazy to ride it like I do.

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      02-24-2012 02:00 PM #43
      The only credible knock anyone in this thread has made against DD'ing a classic is crash safety.

      People daily less or equally efficient vehicles.

      They are simple and generally very easy to work on.

      Lack of creature comforts is what gets tiring to me. Make sure the seats are comfortable and that you've got a working stereo and heat and/or AC if you need it.

      Have a back-up vehichle, a AAA card, and go out have fun!

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      ventilation systems are not modern, otherwise go for it!
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      02-24-2012 02:15 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Albeezy36 View Post
      heat and/or AC if you need it.
      This and snow/salt would be my only real concerns, but as the OP is in San Fran, I don't think either is a huge concern, so why not?

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      02-24-2012 02:19 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stack View Post
      so why not?
      Agreed. Get a timing light, a set of feeler gauges, and a vacuum gauge and go to town.

      You'll be a dizzy and carb tuner in no time whether you like it or not.

      Old cars have more charm than anything else out there, plus the attention is neat too.

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      02-24-2012 02:50 PM #47


      DD'd every single day, no matter the weather, for two years.
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      02-24-2012 02:51 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by morecarsthanbrains View Post


      DD'd every single day, no matter the weather, for two years.
      Nice. Same color as the GT I'm painting in my garage right now.
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      02-24-2012 02:52 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by morecarsthanbrains View Post


      DD'd every single day, no matter the weather, for two years.
      I DD mine for 4+ years... all weather, beltway traffic... never let me down.

    25. 02-24-2012 03:02 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Bias_Ply View Post
      ventilation systems are not modern, otherwise go for it!
      Not always, my '75 Duster has working A/C and heat, complete with recirculate and defog. Once I got the recirc working right the A/C became awesome.





      I DD'd my Duster for a while, and still do often. I even wrote about it:

      http://www.autotraderclassics.com/ca...ic-73471.xhtml


      I specifically chose the '75 model because it has shoulder belts. Sure I'm probably safer in my 2002 Camry, but this is the life I have chosen, I can't be a professional "classic car guy" if I don't own any old cars.

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