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    1. Get Off My Lawn!!! vwlarry's Avatar
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      02-25-2012 11:11 AM #1
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      ...the 1969 Pontiac Grand Prix is my choice for the most beautiful Pontiac ever built. Sleek, bold, voluptuously sculptured, and a major trendsetter (although none of its imitators ever achieved the original's clean and almost austere, gimmick-free elegance), it still knocks me out whenever I see one. The SJ model (so cool that Pontiac used the Duesenberg tag), with its deep-dish wheels and concentric hubcaps, was a fantastic looking car that photographs just don't do justice to. Plus, even the interior was a look into the future, with its wraparound instrument panel that BMW would be celebrated for after they copied it years later.

      John Z. Delorean ran Pontiac then, and the all-new '69 GP was his swansong at Pontiac, after a decade under his leadership that saw Pontiac become THE styling leader of the automobile industry. After this car, Pontiac went into a decline that didn't end until its death a few years ago.

      I'm throwing in a photo of the first Grand Prix, from 1962, to show how the GP started out beautiful, and stayed that way, at least until '69:









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      02-25-2012 11:19 AM #2
      Mmmmmm, I really really hate nearly all Pontiacs for their cheapness and ultimate crappiness, but the only car that brand has ever released that has gotten my total approval was the G8. It's just so badass and properly awesome. ...and this is coming from a guy who bleeds fuel economy and diesel. If this thing came in manual, I would be fapping right now, this very moment, as you're reading this.

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      02-25-2012 11:23 AM #3
      [QUOTE=worth_fixing;76097221]Mmmmmm, I really really hate nearly all Pontiacs for their cheapness and ultimate crappiness, but the only car that brand has ever released that has gotten my total approval was the G8. It's just so badass and properly awesome. ...and this is coming from a guy who bleeds fuel economy and diesel.

      Curious...does your distaste for Pontiacs actually extend all the way back to the marque's origins, or is it confined to the later models? Pontiacs were for many years celebrated for their high quality of both engineering and for their excellent construction quality. Are we forgetting that there was life before the 21st century?

      Additionally, my thread here was started not as an overall assessment of PMD's ultimate goodness or awfulness. I love design, and simply like to start up conversations about that subject. Even if it needed a jumpstart every 50 yards, the '69 Grand Prix would still rate an "A+" grade from me for its aesthetics. I hope we can stick to the subject, then.
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      02-25-2012 11:24 AM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      Mmmmmm, I really really hate nearly all Pontiacs for their cheapness and ultimate crappiness,
      Then you know very little about Pontiacs.

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      02-25-2012 11:33 AM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      Mmmmmm, I really really hate nearly all Pontiacs for their cheapness and ultimate crappiness, but the only car that brand has ever released that has gotten my total approval was the G8. It's just so badass and properly awesome. ...and this is coming from a guy who bleeds fuel economy and diesel. If this thing came in manual, I would be fapping right now, this very moment, as you're reading this.

      The G8 GXP did come with a manual as option.

      But I was hesitant to respond. But pictured you looked like this....well...I mean I imagined you weren't a dude

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      02-25-2012 11:33 AM #6
      The GXP was a 362hp with a 6spd
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      02-25-2012 11:33 AM #7
      Yeah.. no it isn't:









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      02-25-2012 11:35 AM #8


      This one! , just kidding

      but honestly, the 63 gto

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      02-25-2012 11:37 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by vwlarry View Post
      Curious...does your distaste for Pontiacs actually extend all the way back to the marque's origins, or is it confined to the later models? Pontiacs were for many years celebrated for their high quality of both engineering and for their excellent construction quality. Are we forgetting that there was life before the 21st century?
      Quote Originally Posted by xdre View Post
      Then you know very little about Pontiacs.
      You're right; I guess I'm refering to Sunfires, Azteks, Grand Ams/Prix, Montanas, Sunbirds and such. I'm too young to remember any good Pontiacs at all.

      Quote Originally Posted by SuperGroove View Post
      The G8 GXP did come with a manual as option.

      But I was hesitant to respond. But pictured you looked like this....well...I mean I imagined you weren't a dude
      HAHAHAHA...sorry to ruin your...uh...fantasy, but I look like an uglier Tom Cruise.
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      02-25-2012 11:39 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      You're right; I guess I'm refering to Sunfires, Azteks, Grand Ams/Prix, Montanas, Sunbirds and such. I'm too young to remember any good Pontiacs at all.
      Do some research. You don't have to be 60 to remember or drool over older Pontiacs. I know I'm not nearly old enough to remember them at their release, but I do appreciate them for what they are.
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      02-25-2012 11:41 AM #12

      ^corvette chassis


      I like the GTO(camaro, torino, SL) with the eyebrows over the wheels.




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      02-25-2012 11:42 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by rsj0714 View Post
      Do some research. You don't have to be 60 to remember or drool over older Pontiacs. I know I'm not nearly old enough to remember them at their release, but I do appreciate them for what they are.
      I'm old, but still not old enough to have been around when Mozart and Beethoven produced their masterpieces. But that doesn't keep me from discovering them, and expanding my conciousness by listening to them, does it?
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      02-25-2012 11:46 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by rsj0714 View Post
      Do some research. You don't have to be 60 to remember or drool over older Pontiacs. I know I'm not nearly old enough to remember them at their release, but I do appreciate them for what they are.
      I don't remember seeing any good ol' Pontiacs driving around, sorry. But to comfort your displeasure, I absolutely love the old GTO (not the new one though) I can oly associate with the newer Pontiacs as they're the ones I've sat in/driven. I can attest to their crappiness. Although I know the older Pontiacs have existed, I've never sat in/driven any of them, therefore I can't attest to their quality. Simple as that. You can listen to a Bethoven and appreciate it because you can listen to 98% of his performance. I can't relive the Pontiac experience because they aren't around anymore. Sorry to disappoint guys, but for me, Pontiac is a decent sized pile of crap and left consequently. I'm sure it wasn't always so.

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      02-25-2012 11:46 AM #15
      I always preferred the 1964 GTO. I like the cleanliness of the design - it's classically early 1960's before things got all cartoonish, bloated and brash. There's little in the way of adornment on the slab sides and in the nose, the silly beak is not as prevalent as in later cars - at this point its just a nice styling touch that sets the Pontiac line apart. The subtle sweep of the roof where it meets the quarter is a very nice touch. I also love the thin, delicate pillars. Over all its linear, simple, clean, compact and very modern with just a hint of what might lurk under the bonnet.








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      Quote Originally Posted by rsj0714 View Post
      Strangely enough, there's something really appealing about that one.
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      I love the 1961. Great clean lines and the grille is fantastic.




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      Classic: 1967 GTO



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      I agree with these choices.

      I took my drivers test in a 1986? Pontiac 6000 LE. My parents also had a 1984 Parisienne station wagon at the time. But I will hardly submit either of these to this thread.

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      The post you laughed at was removed, doesn't that tell you something? Don't trash good threads with racist bs. You'll get no more responses from me on the subject, as I don't want to ruin my friend's thread.
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      02-25-2012 12:57 PM #23
      These are my favorite pontiacs



      But i still hate them, like every GM ever made.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mayerz View Post
      But i still hate them, like every GM ever made.
      ...completely understand your hate.
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      02-25-2012 01:11 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      Mmmmmm, I really really hate nearly all Pontiacs for their cheapness and ultimate crappiness, but the only car that brand has ever released that has gotten my total approval was the G8. It's just so badass and properly awesome. ...and this is coming from a guy who bleeds fuel economy and diesel. If this thing came in manual, I would be fapping right now, this very moment, as you're reading this.
      Pontiac has made many great cars, I don't know if I'm bias becuase I have owned a 97 Grand Prix GTP 2 door for 5 years now and It's been one of the best daily drivers i'VE ever owned. It's easy for basic matinance, and It's a GM, parts are endless in the Junkyards. It's a shame that Pontiac folded up.

      Also to the guy who posted the 1961
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      02-25-2012 01:13 PM #27
      Sorry, but I think Pontiacs without stacked headlights aren't that pretty.

      This, however;



      Is a pretty Pontiac. Though I still wouldn't call them pretty. To find pretty Pontiacs, you must go back a couple more decades. How about some Torpedo 8 action?



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      I agree GP, but I gotta go '67:


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      Quote Originally Posted by Mayerz View Post
      These are my favorite pontiacs



      .
      There you guys go and make me start changing my mind. The first Firebirds, and this the first iteration of the second generation, are absolutely gorgeous automobiles. Pininfarina would have been proud to have his signature on these second-gen cars, IMO. The lines are lithe, Ferrari-esque, and the details are incredible. Look at the shape of the windshield (a design fetish at GM in the sixties) for example. No other car handled this area like this, and the steep A-pillar, with its softly rounded upper corners combined with the swept-back rake of the glass, make this detail on these cars amazing, IMO.

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      Of course, I coulda said "mine"!


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      srsly



      pretty awesome!
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      1956 Pontiac does it for me :



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      Not really "beautiful" but distinctive and for its time, pretty tasteful, was the '58 Pontiac, especially from the rear. They eschewed the tailfins of the time and instead had nicely integrated, handsome taillamps with a kind of sexy looking "hood" atop them. I like these Ponchos v. muchly.

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    33. 02-25-2012 02:39 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by VAB5 View Post
      Of course, I coulda said "mine"!
      nice! very clean awesome car. love it!
      Sick! looks awesome!

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      Quote Originally Posted by vwlarry View Post
      I'm old, but still not old enough to have been around when Mozart and Beethoven produced their masterpieces. But that doesn't keep me from discovering them, and expanding my conciousness by listening to them, does it?
      Not to go too far off-topic, but this is why I am in favor of kit cars / replicars.

      Beethoven's music is still play by symphonies and individuals today. You didn't have to catch a Mozart concert, to hear a Mozart song.

      With these cars, as they age and we lose parts and even entire cars to attrition, the scope of their impact begins to diminish. Fewer and fewer people will get to experience these cars until really there is nothing left but a few museum pieces and online photo galleries.

      How could we then expect any future generation to ever really appreciate these works? Looking at a photo of a P51d Mustang doesn't give you the same experience/reference as seeing one at an airshow. Likewise, just seeing these cars drive by can be enough to make an experience for a person to remember.

      Anyway, I was always a fan of the 1968 Firebird, the '34 Coupes and Convertibles, 41's.. Really, I think each generation had something I liked.











      1941 Pontiac Coupe ll

      I like the sedans too, but this morning I'm in a coupe mood.
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