Shoulders or Triceps on Chest day?

[greywolf]

opinions

if shoulders....should i do tris with biceps

if tris...what should i do shoulders with

[osiris]

Why not both?

[greywolf]

are...are you serious?

because i dont want to spend more than 1:15 in the gym

[Egilbe]

Are you bench pressing? Don't you think that your shoulders and triceps got hit hard enough then?

oh, you're the one who almost BLEW out their knee doing Pallof presses. Do pushups

[Papa Dras]

I do:

bench- alternating between DB and BB weekly
incline
military press
and wrap it up with weighted dips

never spend more than 50 minutes in the gym, either

[kryptonik]

I do shoulders and triceps together on their own day. And chest with biceps.

To each their own.

[greywolf]

Are you bench pressing? Don't you think that your shoulders and triceps got hit hard enough then?

oh, you're the one who almost BLEW out their knee doing Pallof presses. Do pushups

Reported for trolling.

[::xander::]

isn't chest day, kind like shoulder and triceps day already?

bench(at any angle) - chest, shoulders and triceps
dips - chest shoulders and triceps
pin press- chest shoulders and triceps
military press - shoulders and triceps

I mean, that's about 80% of my two chest workouts alone.

[spoolin215]

It blows my mind that people who aren't bodybuilders still do body part splits.

Train movements not muscles.

[::xander::]

It blows my mind that people who aren't bodybuilders still do body part splits.

Train movements not muscles.

this

[Egilbe]

Reported for trolling.

[leakypipeDCI]

Egilbe what happened to the guy that had a crush on you?

[Egilbe]

Egilbe what happened to the guy that had a crush on you?

He went away

[Chilledman]

It blows my mind that people who aren't bodybuilders still do body part splits.

Train movements not muscles.

I go upper then lower upper then lower.

That way you give your parts to rest while you work a different muscle group .

[ClockworkChad]

the best thing about the word 'trolling' is that no one, in the history of the internet, has ever used it right. its like 'irregardless'.

[Papa Dras]

quit trolling dude

[leaftye]

I can't press nearly as well after I bench. I still do it, but I also press on other days. I don't know if that's the right way yet since I've just started getting serious about my shoulders. Hopefully I'll still be on my desired track in a few months.

[shortys7777]

It blows my mind that people who aren't bodybuilders still do body part splits.

Train movements not muscles.

I use to be guilty of this when I was younger and un educated. Blows my mind seeing what some trainers are doing with clients. Almost everythingi do now are compound movements and I love my progress and on a long day my workouts an hour unless I throw in some intevals on the treadmill.

[kryptonik]

This thread is old as ****, but I kind of disagree with the only bodybuilders should do iso work or have splits idea.

I mean, what difference does it really make if on your bench day, you hit your heavy bench, and then finish off with some cable flies, and some tricep work?

Or, if after you do military press, you also do some raises, and other delt work?

I mean, I'm all for the big compound movements, but, if you are trying to look good, you may also want to incorporate some iso work to hit some things as well. Why can't anyone on here train a bodybuilding routine, yet hit heavy compound movements as well?

And, before I get jumped with examples of people who only do compound movements, and look incredible, I want to say that this is not for the elite athletes, but for most people. For example, sorry to call you out X, but, your calves look ridiculous (especially compared to your quads). I think you know this, and now you are doing iso work to improve that. Years of just focusing on compounds only, left them lacking. Sometimes focusing on the little muscles are necessary.

[leaftye]

Unfortunately too many people want to look like the skinny ****s on tv and movies. Some pecs, small ripped waist, and scrawny everything else. For those people, iso work is perfect. I can't say I understand wanting to have a meth-head body that looks like it'd be up for a serious challenge in a fight with a 110 girl, and then making up for it by wearing Ed Hardy and Affliction t-shirts.

[R32R1]

are...are you serious?

because i dont want to spend more than 1:15 in the gym

Then don't plan on seeing results

[::xander::]

kryptonic - I tend to disagree with you. I know a guy who is about to compete, works calves ALL THE TIME and they look lousy. I know another guy who is behemoth and competitor with amazing calves, doesn't work them.

secondly, I don't work calves, because I don't care about them.

lastly, I also don't work BICEPS, you heard it right, I just started doing ONE curl movement (3x8) a week just becuase nichole liked to do them. Before that I probably hadn't done curls in ~5 years. When people talk to me though, they always comment on how big my arms are.

R32R1 - if you're suggesting that someone has to spend over an hour in the gym to see results, you're dead wrong. If I spend more than 45minutes in the gym, I'm slacking off, and I see results.

[01tj]

Then don't plan on seeing results

I think you can see results with less than an hour in the gym. If I do a separate arm day then I do shoulders with chest and traps with back or legs. If not I do upper/lower splits with maybe a few sets for arms but as already stated you work your arms when you do the multi joint exercises.


So right now I play basketball on Saturdays and I kind of work around that. I'm not necessarily trying to get bigger or stronger I'm just trying to stay in shape.

Monday: back+traps (Sumo dead lifts, rows, pullups)

Tues: chest and shoulders (Bench, dumb incline, shoulder flies)

Wed: Legs (Squats, still leg dead lifts)

Thur: arms (dumb curls, press downs, revers curls, over head triceps dumb press)

Friday: off

Saturday: 2 hours of basketball.


I usually follow this split

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...5C-mcd02.hydra

Arms are kind of just thrown in as an after thought and I usually skip them in this type of workout

[kryptonik]

kryptonic - I tend to disagree with you.

I know you don't work biceps. Which is why I only brought up the calves. I only brought you up, because, back in January (this took longer to find then I wish to think about) you can be quoted:

dras yeah I have been doing them at least every other workout. LOL

(stuff about squats)

last movement is calfs of some sort, 3x8.

And, obviously there will be some genetic difference in how peoples calves will look, but, as Spoolin said the other day in the calves/forearm thread, "All muscles are susceptible to hypertrophy. " Doing iso calf work wouldn't hurt anyone, regardless of whether they are trying to be a bodybuilder or not.

I'm not in anyway saying that the iso work should come before, or be more important than the compound lifts. Just suggesting that they may be fairly important to some peoples goals.

[Techun]

Doing iso calf work wouldn't hurt anyone

Yeah right! Monday I worked them, and then Tuesday I sat in stop and go Philly traffic for an hour (manual car)

[Egilbe]

Yeah right! Monday I worked them, and then Tuesday I sat in stop and go Philly traffic for an hour (manual car)

Calves, climb hills, either walk or run. Calves get a workout and so does the cardiovascular system.

[spoolin215]

This thread is old as ****, but I kind of disagree with the only bodybuilders should do iso work or have splits idea.

I mean, what difference does it really make if on your bench day, you hit your heavy bench, and then finish off with some cable flies, and some tricep work?

Or, if after you do military press, you also do some raises, and other delt work?

I mean, I'm all for the big compound movements, but, if you are trying to look good, you may also want to incorporate some iso work to hit some things as well. Why can't anyone on here train a bodybuilding routine, yet hit heavy compound movements as well?

First of all I don't know what you mean by not having a "split." I'm not suggesting you train the same things everyday. Your workouts should always be split up some how. Splitting your workouts around muscles and not movements is stupid, unless you're a body builder. There are a lot of reasons not to do body part splits:

Create over use injuries
Create extra stress on connective tissue
Decrease mobility
Take too long
etc...

Hey if you want to hit some curls at the end of a session that's up to you, but too many people doing an "arms day" when they're so immobile they can't even scratch their own ass.

[Techun]

Calves, climb hills, either walk or run. Calves get a workout and so does the cardiovascular system.

nothing in the world beats this. For any direction aside from straight forward you stay up on your toes. When you're 16 those drums get heavy fast.

[kryptonik]

I never said you should not have a split. Sorry if I worded that strangely. My response was to this, which was quoted above.

It blows my mind that people who aren't bodybuilders still do body part splits.

And I think we are agreeing, but saying the same thing differently. I think having an "arm day" as well, is ridiculous. But, to have a leg day, which is synonymous to a squat day (for most of us on this forum atleast) is fine.

But, what I was simply suggesting, is that some users on here may be going the bodybuilder route. Some people don't care about pure strength. Some people may want to lift not purely to get strong, but to also look as aesthetic as possible. And this thought seems to get lost quite often on the boards. If someone suggests a more bodybuilding-esque route, they instantly get berated.

[spoolin215]

I personally don't give a **** what someone's goals are, but I think no matter what people should strive to be some what healthy, which is hard to do with body building training in regards to joint health and mobility.

[R32R1]

R32R1 - if you're suggesting that someone has to spend over an hour in the gym to see results, you're dead wrong. If I spend more than 45minutes in the gym, I'm slacking off, and I see results.

I guess that's just me then. I need (want) over an hour, close to two in order to fully workout the muscle groups intended with a sufficient cardio session. In other words, my definition of getting results is leaving the gym feeling...violated

[spoolin215]

I guess that's just me then. I need (want) over an hour, close to two in order to fully workout the muscle groups intended with a sufficient cardio session. In other words, my definition of getting results is leaving the gym feeling...violated

How you feel is a lie.


If people focused more on what they do, and less on how they feel about it after, there would be a lot more healthy people.

[pops]

How you feel is a lie.


If people focused more on what they do, and less on how they feel about it after, there would be a lot more healthy people.

I completely agree with spoolin. I think a lot of people chase fatigue when instead they should be chasing performance.

A trainer could have his client perform 1000 jumping jacks in an hour and that client will be wiped out, drenched in sweat, and probably sore for 3 days. I don't think fatigue is a good indicator of progress.

[::xander::]

agreed, I rarely sweat in the gym or feel tired afterwards (the next day my joints feel beat up, but I rarely get DOMS)

When it comes to heavy lifting, in my experience, CNS is much more of a killer than physical fatigue, not sure about you guys, but I can never feel my CNS fatigue....until it stops a heavy lift dead in my tracks.

point is, spoolin is right, how you feel doesn't gauge performance, performance gauges performance.

being in the gym for 2 hours might FEEL better, but rarely will it produce the best results or performance.

[SpiffyGTI]

I sweat like a whore in church when I'm at the gym, but it's partly because the *******s that run the place can't operate a thermostat to save their lives.