DSG TDI'ers with Revo- a request.

[chris@revotechnik]

I honestly don't remember these prior to the tune (been too long)... but I trust you when you say that they are a factory issue.

However random isn't something that comes to mind at all post tune. For me this happens on the 3-4 up-shift under even moderate engine load, every time.

Again combining two different issues.

(not blaming you or anyone ) But this is why we have been unable to figure this out at this point based on feedback. Once someone hears of any problem they combine everything they have read into one single issue, which they are not. On top of that still only 3 people now have actually contacted us directly about any issues...

I did not say the delay before a shift was random, we are aware this is repeatable and what we are looking to address once we have a local car for testing. The hiccup while driving steady state on occasion is random and is there stock, this seems to be a function of the EGR mostly likely the lower pressure valve opening or closing and you are feeling its affects on the engine.

[aznwhip]

Are you sure? When I was speaking with Gary about the tune he was throwing on mine, it had the "fix" that was causing issues with all DSG cars in September and 1.2 from what I understood was the prior version released in Aug. Maybe the tweak was put in without advancing the version number though. I just went back over my notes and yeah, it's not v1.5 as that was mistakenly called that by the guy at Supreme who did the tune, and there was some confusion in the beginning because he had originally said he was going to load version 2 on and I'd be the first in socal to have it (which kind of implied it was going around elsewhere), then went to say I'd be a beta tester, and finally resulted in getting the "fixed" v1.2.

And as stated, I've had no issues with the Revo tune and love every moment of it. Would highly recommend it to anyone.

Aznwhip has V1.2 just like everyone else does that is the only file that has been used since about August.

Something came up and the car scheduled last week could not make it in enough time for me to do some tests so we had to put it off.

That being said quotes from aznwhip and others who have the software and DSG not experiencing the problem highlights that the issue which just started a few months ago is most likely due to an update of some sort that the tune is not agreeing with. It is possible that Vw lowered the DSG torque limit in one of the recent DSG and engine updates that they did.

We are still looking into it but will need to get the local car in still to get a better idea of what is going on.

[chris@revotechnik]

Are you sure?

There have only been 2 production files V1 and V1.2.

Including myself only a handful of cars had the V2 file and I know where each of those is, actually only one is still running it.

[aznwhip]

There have only been 2 production files V1 and V1.2.

Including myself only a handful of cars had the V2 file and I know where each of those is, actually only one is still running it.

Right, I know I don't have V2 beta, but Gary said that he wanted to release the version with the DSG "fix" out to test on my vehicle before rolling over to V2 when it become productional. I guess that fix didn't advance the version minor number. All good.

[chris@revotechnik]

Right, I know I don't have V2 beta, but Gary said that he wanted to release the version with the DSG "fix" out to test on my vehicle before rolling over to V2 when it become productional. I guess that fix didn't advance the version minor number. All good.

It is semantics at this point really. I couldn't determine what file I sent Gary for your car but if it was say "v1.2betaR" or something that is still V1.2 when it goes into production you just drop the beta. What we were testing on your car was the lower fuel pressure request at high rpms since VW lowered one of the limits. It wasn't a DSG specific problem it was just more apparent in those cars since they were shifting later then people would shift the manuals. I had tested it on my car and some others we just wanted to get one more in the mix and just make sure it was ok to have the engineer build the full library of files. At the time you were flashed if a customer went into a dealer they would have received V1, if their car was never updated by VW they wouldn't have had the fuel pressure problem, if it was then they would have.

V2 was still in the works at that point but we decided it was just not worth it.

[kye04]

hi. Have a Seat Toledo 2005 with DSG , engine BKD (tdi 140hp)
I would like to know if Revo has a tuning soft for my DSG , and if it does, will i experience the same problems posted in this topic.
Thank you

[chrisMk6TDi]

Chris@REVO: sent you a PM

[chrisMk6TDi]

[Feyd]

Has there been any movement on this...? I feel like the warm weather is starting to amplify my problem.. Seems like its happening between 1-2 and 3-4 now.

[dhambrick]

Has there been any movement on this...? I feel like the warm weather is starting to amplify my problem.. Seems like its happening between 1-2 and 3-4 now.

Probably due to the difference in the summer fuel formulation.

An update would be nice, or just an acknowledgement of whether or not it's "fixable"...I am on the fence about going back to stock because having the drop in mileage without the full benefits of the tune is a bit disappointing.

[chris@revotechnik]

Our local test car in GA has not been able to repeat an issues so we have no progress made. I am working on getting a car to our WV facility so that we can use the controlled environment of the track (summit point) to attempt to duplicate it.

STILL no one else has come to us with a problem. This may sound a little harsh but if you have a problem you can't just post here you MUST contact your dealer or us about it. We can't fix a problem that from based on people contacting is less than 5 people have.

[dhambrick]

Our local test car in GA has not been able to repeat an issues so we have no progress made. I am working on getting a car to our WV facility so that we can use the controlled environment of the track (summit point) to attempt to duplicate it.

STILL no one else has come to us with a problem. This may sound a little harsh but if you have a problem you can't just post here you MUST contact your dealer or us about it. We can't fix a problem that from based on people contacting is less than 5 people have.

Are you talking about the 3rd gear knock or the torque limitation?

The knock happens infrequently for sure; it always suprises me whenever it happens. I will work on trying to replicate conditions to see it I can get it to occur on demand. If I can I will PM you and I can take the car back out to Ft Worth.

The torque limitations are pretty straightforward and documented.

[chris@revotechnik]

Are you talking about the 3rd gear knock or the torque limitation?

The knock happens infrequently for sure; it always suprises me whenever it happens. I will work on trying to replicate conditions to see it I can get it to occur on demand. If I can I will PM you and I can take the car back out to Ft Worth.

The torque limitations are pretty straightforward and documented.

The shift issue is what we were relating to a torque limit, as in it was shiftting hard after pulling back power due to a torque limit. Again only 3-5 people have actually contacted us with ANY issue at all, most of their descriptions are vague (not their fault) which have meant we have nothing to go off to try and find a problem.

The torque limit is anything but well documented, in fact only one person has approached us with any evidence it is now there... which lead us to believe the shifting issue was related to a DSG update that limited torque, there previously was not one.

Bottom line is this all comes back to if you don't actually directly contact the manufacture or their dealer (especially when they tell you to over and over and over again) there is nothing that can be done. Less than 5 people out of over a thousand doesn't exactly indicate a problem or if it does offers nothing for the company to go on.


Stop bumping this thread if you have a problem and actually get in contact with us.. DO NOT SEND A PM!

[Feyd]

I'll get in touch with my dealer then.


I apologize, but the last time I asked if I should bring it in to my dealer I was told not to because you had a car you were working on to test.

So, that's situation has clearly changed.

[chris@revotechnik]

Bringing it to a dealer for them to test something is entirely different then contacting your dealer or us to let us know that you actually are experiencing a problem. Nothing has changed about the fact that we have requested anyone with a problem to actually contact us.

[dhambrick]

The shift issue is what we were relating to a torque limit, as in it was shiftting hard after pulling back power due to a torque limit. Again only 3-5 people have actually contacted us with ANY issue at all, most of their descriptions are vague (not their fault) which have meant we have nothing to go off to try and find a problem.

The torque limit is anything but well documented, in fact only one person has approached us with any evidence it is now there... which lead us to believe the shifting issue was related to a DSG update that limited torque, there previously was not one.

Bottom line is this all comes back to if you don't actually directly contact the manufacture or their dealer (especially when they tell you to over and over and over again) there is nothing that can be done. Less than 5 people out of over a thousand doesn't exactly indicate a problem or if it does offers nothing for the company to go on.


Stop bumping this thread if you have a problem and actually get in contact with us.. DO NOT SEND A PM!

Okay, I will get with the the dealer in Ft Worth and take my pre and post dyno sheets (and the car) over. Thanks.