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      03-01-2012 12:11 AM #26

      Quote Originally Posted by bansheelos View Post
      Im looking to go low but also be able to have a smooth ride. I will be traveling w/ my wife and kids and would like it to be as plush as possible. I still like a low bus so I can keep the wife happy and me too. lol



      Thanks for looking out I am aware of how much work this project is going to be. Its gonna be a while before I am done w/ it. Def trying to get that a/c running but cant find much info on that setup. DAMN YOU DEALER INSTALLS! Just tried to clean the bench seat and gotta say I am no detailer lolIm at the beginning of a long road but in the end it will be oh so good!!!
      Just for grins banshee ,non Samba-specific info on both the DPD & VPC A/C systems:
      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...MKaIsALq3tyjDg
      http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient...w.r_qf.,cf.osb


    2. 03-01-2012 07:58 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by bansheelos View Post
      Lol at CIST. Im a vr kinda guy and was looking into what it would take to mildly entertain that swap. Wanna get he 2ltr running first and see how i like it. Ok so all the aircooled guys might hate this build b/c im entertaining the thought of watercooling it. Im just looking for some reliability. Maybe I should have stuck w/ my swagger wagon as the family transportation vw. I could do $300 for the suspension, as far as the work def need to know whats entailed. Im not a great welder so if thats what it takes to make it happen I miht have to look elsewhere lol I need a diy beam raise for dummies
      vr swap would cost quite a bit of coin and require some serious fab work. the transmission adaptor kit alone would run you close to $500. the stock baywindow transmission won't like the added horse power and the vr motor won't like the short gearing....iirc they have a 5:86rp, it will make a 4k trans look like a freeway cruising transmission in comparison. you'd need a taller more stout transmission, like say from a vanagon, or you'd need to drop some good coin on having a baywindow transmission built with taller ratios and beefed up to handle the vr. not to mention you'd have to completely fab up engine mounting points, a radiator mounting system, exhaust, etc....it's not a cheap or easy undertaking.

      i'd practice up on your welding skills. mig isn't that hard to get down good enough to make a project like this happen. without the ability to weld laying out a bay off store bought beams and rear end parts will only take you down so far. your stock front tubs will quickly limit how low you can take the front regardless of how low of a profile tire you run and how wide the rear end is will limit you out back. if you can weld you can overcome those simple issues.

      my setup is 7in beam raise out front narrowed a bunch (forget how much ) running shocks, 4in tubs up front, raised steering box 1.5in, 4.5in drop plates out back, 2.5in narrowed out back, raised transmission/motor 2in, and some rear tubs (currently in the works)...and i'm on 17's. if i went with 15's i wouldn't have had to do as much work, but still would have had to do most of what's on my list it was cheap to do just time consuming. pretty much anyone with a decent mig, drill press, angle grinder and a garage could pull off what i built.

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      03-01-2012 08:25 AM #28
      ...the fab and stance....and s--t everything about A1's bus is exactly what i would do.

      not a shiney a--,straight as a lazer deal...been there done that and honestly it takes the wind out of your sails for sure.

      my dumpy a--,Sage green,beat to s--t transporter is the bomb,with her 2 liter fuel injected,auto trans an all!!!!

      A1,that center section is the rare yes?...or the whole entire roof piece?...either way you would never see that here as the weather never sold the air condition systems as much...

      getting into these bus things more and more...i know nothing about em and i think thats whats got my interest...my buddy Nate here in Mass has probablt one of the nicest Bays in the North east...he's part of Broke-Status club
      www.401restos.com

      Quit your complaining and do it right!!!

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      03-01-2012 10:02 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by buggyman View Post



      Just for grins banshee ,non Samba-specific info on both the DPD & VPC A/C systems:
      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...MKaIsALq3tyjDg
      http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient...w.r_qf.,cf.osb

      A lot of helpful info I will be using to get this bus around in the summer lol Thanks for the input!!

      Quote Originally Posted by A1steaksauce View Post
      vr swap would cost quite a bit of coin and require some serious fab work. the transmission adaptor kit alone would run you close to $500. the stock baywindow transmission won't like the added horse power and the vr motor won't like the short gearing....iirc they have a 5:86rp, it will make a 4k trans look like a freeway cruising transmission in comparison. you'd need a taller more stout transmission, like say from a vanagon, or you'd need to drop some good coin on having a baywindow transmission built with taller ratios and beefed up to handle the vr. not to mention you'd have to completely fab up engine mounting points, a radiator mounting system, exhaust, etc....it's not a cheap or easy undertaking.

      i'd practice up on your welding skills. mig isn't that hard to get down good enough to make a project like this happen. without the ability to weld laying out a bay off store bought beams and rear end parts will only take you down so far. your stock front tubs will quickly limit how low you can take the front regardless of how low of a profile tire you run and how wide the rear end is will limit you out back. if you can weld you can overcome those simple issues.

      my setup is 7in beam raise out front narrowed a bunch (forget how much ) running shocks, 4in tubs up front, raised steering box 1.5in, 4.5in drop plates out back, 2.5in narrowed out back, raised transmission/motor 2in, and some rear tubs (currently in the works)...and i'm on 17's. if i went with 15's i wouldn't have had to do as much work, but still would have had to do most of what's on my list it was cheap to do just time consuming. pretty much anyone with a decent mig, drill press, angle grinder and a garage could pull off what i built.
      I def have to get my welding skills back to where they used to be! As far as the vr I knew it was going to be a chunk of change but in the watercooled world im known as the vr guy lol Ive done many vr swaps and a aba swap so I am very familiar w/ these. Vr is def my bread and butter. That kennedy plate is too damn expensive. I also looked into running a 5 rib tranny instead of the 3 rib thats in there. My only main concern was the cooling and mounting.

      As far as the suspension you are running is there any bottoming out issues??? I the stance and wondering as far as added weight in the rear how does it measure up. Def am not looking for a scraped underside or bouncing all over. I am def liking the raised beam, def a project I feel I can tackle. So if I ran stock 15's I wouldnt have to touch the front seat panels? Also as far as the rear what did you do? Did you move the trailing arms up a notch or 2? I found this link on the raised beam? Whats your take on it?
      http://vwrepublic.com/forums/index.php?topic=14.15


      Quote Originally Posted by Schell R32 View Post
      ...the fab and stance....and s--t everything about A1's bus is exactly what i would do.

      not a shiney a--,straight as a lazer deal...been there done that and honestly it takes the wind out of your sails for sure.

      my dumpy a--,Sage green,beat to s--t transporter is the bomb,with her 2 liter fuel injected,auto trans an all!!!!

      A1,that center section is the rare yes?...or the whole entire roof piece?...either way you would never see that here as the weather never sold the air condition systems as much...

      getting into these bus things more and more...i know nothing about em and i think thats whats got my interest...my buddy Nate here in Mass has probablt one of the nicest Bays in the North east...he's part of Broke-Status club
      I would be into the bus bomb as well if this wasnt for my family. I would be rusted out lol Gotta make it look pretty for the Mrs. lol Say what ya want, a happy wife is a happy life

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      03-01-2012 10:13 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by bansheelos View Post
      Say what ya want, a happy wife is a happy life
      Translation: This thing ain't staying a Champagne Edition.

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      03-01-2012 10:29 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by RafCarre12 View Post
      Translation: This thing ain't staying a Champagne Edition.
      You are slacking on your panels Raf! She might hate the bus then its all mine! BHAHAHAHAHA Still gotta get it running, gonna redo the whole brake system then suspension. Still not sure if I should put disc's on the rear

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      03-01-2012 10:42 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by bansheelos View Post
      You are slacking on your panels Raf! She might hate the bus then its all mine! BHAHAHAHAHA Still gotta get it running, gonna redo the whole brake system then suspension. Still not sure if I should put disc's on the rear
      A little Meguiars m105/m205 combo will do wonders on that paint. Buy the supplies, including the buffs and I'll hook it up.

      Yeah, if you are going to stick with the 2.0 then there is no real point in doing the brake swap (IMO) but I think its a must have if you are going to push 3X the HP with a VR.

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      03-01-2012 12:39 PM #33
      no swap?????

      pppfffshhhh, time to blow this popsicle stand..........

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      03-01-2012 01:03 PM #34
      he he happy wife would want a BMW or a appliance car!!!


      s--t my wife's R32 is most water cooled guys holy grail...


      it's her "toyota tercel"...
      www.401restos.com

      Quit your complaining and do it right!!!

    10. 03-01-2012 03:20 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Schell R32 View Post
      A1,that center section is the rare yes?...or the whole entire roof piece?...either way you would never see that here as the weather never sold the air condition systems as much...
      the center section is uncommon but it does pop up from time to time. i actually got my mittens on one from someone who was scrapping some deluxe baywindows.

      what's rare is that middle and front piece over the driver. very rarely do you see that beast. especially in that good of condition.

      Quote Originally Posted by bansheelos View Post
      As far as the suspension you are running is there any bottoming out issues??? I the stance and wondering as far as added weight in the rear how does it measure up. Def am not looking for a scraped underside or bouncing all over. I am def liking the raised beam, def a project I feel I can tackle. So if I ran stock 15's I wouldnt have to touch the front seat panels? Also as far as the rear what did you do? Did you move the trailing arms up a notch or 2? I found this link on the raised beam? Whats your take on it?
      http://vwrepublic.com/forums/index.php?topic=14.15
      bottoming out? well if i take my shocks off and bounce up and down on her really hard she'll hit the frame i'm running shocks all around and that greatly helps out. i can't believe people would roll baywindows without shocks...would be crazy to drive and not very plush.

      the weight is something to take into consideration. i mocked up my ride height with me in it. i only roll solo in my aircooled so with me in it i'd only drop the front down an additional half inch up front. i do see myself camping and tossing gear in her so i put her at a slight rake to account for the increase in weight in the rear from camping gear. but generally speaking each additional adult will drop the bus down approx half an inch.

      i've seen that build. he's a split window bus so he's running a link pin beam. doing a beam raise with a link pin beam is only going to yield you approx 5in raise. ball joint (what your bus has) beam raise will give you a 7in raise. here's a shot of my setup mid process:

      that's 6in solid wall quarter inch tubing, stronger than the frame rail section it's replacing

      yes, even if you go 15's you're gonna have to tub the front to get it down. the rear end, not so much...but you're gonna have to raise your seat height up front if you want to get it down even if you went with 14's

      my rear end i'm running dropped plates. it moves up the wheel 4.5 inches while retaining the stock geometry....team that together with one or two clicks of the torsions (can't remember exactly how many i did) and you get my ride height.

      Quote Originally Posted by Schell R32 View Post
      he he happy wife would want a BMW or a appliance car!!!


      s--t my wife's R32 is most water cooled guys holy grail...


      it's her "toyota tercel"...
      i can't wait till the bottom falls out on MK4's. i so want to cut up a R32 for the motor. that would be an awesome power plant for my vanagon

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      03-01-2012 03:58 PM #36
      There are almost as many words on this thread as there is rust on this thing. Quit yer yapping and git to work!

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      03-01-2012 04:09 PM #37
      good god.....even in the aircooled forums? is nothing sacred?

      Stanced? really? gtfo.

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      03-01-2012 04:14 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by RafCarre12 View Post
      A little Meguiars m105/m205 combo will do wonders on that paint. Buy the supplies, including the buffs and I'll hook it up.
      Im gonna hold ya to it!!!

      Quote Originally Posted by goosler View Post
      no swap?????

      pppfffshhhh, time to blow this popsicle stand..........
      Damn Raf let me get my hands on the thing first I still got 2 vr swaps I have to finish up to pay for some goodies lol


      Quote Originally Posted by Schell R32 View Post
      he he happy wife would want a BMW or a appliance car!!!


      s--t my wife's R32 is most water cooled guys holy grail...


      it's her "toyota tercel"...
      Freaking women!!! All the know is high end luxury cars. Your wife has a fine piece of machinery rt there, my wife has the swagger wagon lol

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      03-01-2012 04:16 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by A1steaksauce View Post
      the center section is uncommon but it does pop up from time to time. i actually got my mittens on one from someone who was scrapping some deluxe baywindows.

      what's rare is that middle and front piece over the driver. very rarely do you see that beast. especially in that good of condition.



      bottoming out? well if i take my shocks off and bounce up and down on her really hard she'll hit the frame i'm running shocks all around and that greatly helps out. i can't believe people would roll baywindows without shocks...would be crazy to drive and not very plush.

      the weight is something to take into consideration. i mocked up my ride height with me in it. i only roll solo in my aircooled so with me in it i'd only drop the front down an additional half inch up front. i do see myself camping and tossing gear in her so i put her at a slight rake to account for the increase in weight in the rear from camping gear. but generally speaking each additional adult will drop the bus down approx half an inch.

      i've seen that build. he's a split window bus so he's running a link pin beam. doing a beam raise with a link pin beam is only going to yield you approx 5in raise. ball joint (what your bus has) beam raise will give you a 7in raise. here's a shot of my setup mid process:

      that's 6in solid wall quarter inch tubing, stronger than the frame rail section it's replacing

      yes, even if you go 15's you're gonna have to tub the front to get it down. the rear end, not so much...but you're gonna have to raise your seat height up front if you want to get it down even if you went with 14's

      my rear end i'm running dropped plates. it moves up the wheel 4.5 inches while retaining the stock geometry....team that together with one or two clicks of the torsions (can't remember exactly how many i did) and you get my ride height.



      i can't wait till the bottom falls out on MK4's. i so want to cut up a R32 for the motor. that would be an awesome power plant for my vanagon
      Holy balls thats a lot of fab work!!! Gotta start welding hardcore!!

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      03-02-2012 12:40 AM #40

      Quote Originally Posted by bansheelos View Post
      A lot of helpful info I will be using to get this bus around in the summer lol Thanks for the input!!
      Just for grins II ,keep in mind upgrading/crossadapting more available later Type II A/C components like from a Vanagon or Westy http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...BeqfiQLvt6y0Bg banshee .


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      03-02-2012 09:29 AM #42
      If you decide to do air suspension, my rear setup I did a few years ago on my '66 with the IRS swap. Not exactly the same as your bus but you get the idea how I fabbed up the brackets for the bags:

      http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic....+swap&start=15

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      Messing around w/ the engine bay today!! Vroom vroom or psft psft!

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      Quote Originally Posted by bansheelos View Post
      Messing around w/ the engine bay today!! Vroom vroom or psft psft!
      More like squirt, squirt some PB Blast here a little Liquid Wrench there.
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      03-03-2012 11:32 PM #47
      Yanked the plugs out yesterday and this is what I found.
      #4

      #3

      #2

      #1


      Apparently the previous owner change the plugs b/c of his no spark diagnosis. Next gonna drain the oil and screen. Going to try and start this thing up!!!

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      03-03-2012 11:56 PM #48
      Raf content: Redd Fox lol (LH3A) and Datenut Brown (LH8A)
      Last edited by bansheelos; 03-04-2012 at 12:07 AM.

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      Does that mean a change of heart is in progress with the paint?
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      Quote Originally Posted by JUS_GT_EYEZ View Post
      Does that mean a change of heart is in progress with the paint?
      It means that Mrs. C is officially on board.

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