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    Thread: No aircooled exp.+ 78 Champ. Ed. Bus= Interesting build!!!!

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      05-18-2012 10:02 AM #201
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      05-19-2012 09:52 PM #202
      More cutting in the bay. Yanked the tank floor and some trim. Another dirty rustful day!

    3. 05-19-2012 11:19 PM #203
      you can cut out that cross support bar that you left untouched. it's not going to be needed and will just be in your way. it's nothing more than an additional transmission brace that would simply hold up the transmission to aid in motor removal. it's not a necessary piece. especially if you need more room for the coolant pieces and/or transmission adaptor section.

      also while you're in there you might want to think about doing your frame notches. i mean you're right there.

      and i would totally ditch the idea of using the rear stock motor mount brackets. imo they'd be hard pressed to support the weight and torque of the vr.

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      05-21-2012 07:54 AM #204
      Quote Originally Posted by A1steaksauce View Post
      you can cut out that cross support bar that you left untouched. it's not going to be needed and will just be in your way. it's nothing more than an additional transmission brace that would simply hold up the transmission to aid in motor removal. it's not a necessary piece. especially if you need more room for the coolant pieces and/or transmission adaptor section.

      also while you're in there you might want to think about doing your frame notches. i mean you're right there.

      and i would totally ditch the idea of using the rear stock motor mount brackets. imo they'd be hard pressed to support the weight and torque of the vr.
      As far as the cross support I was going to leave that cross support for 2 reasons. #1 Structural rigidity for that rear and #2 It gives me a mounting area on the trans side and all I have to worry about is the crank side which I have been going back and forth w/ designs as to what would take up minimal space, not be such and eye sore also be able to handle the torque. Granted I wont be shredding tires or anything but will def get on it when I want to.
      It def does look like a tight squeeze once the engine is in w/ that cross bar as fas as all my cooling hoses at the thermostat housing. The least I have to cut and weld I feel is better for me. Not saying that it wont work for anyone else b/c you have done wonders A1! As far as frame notches, I would def need help w/ those lol

    5. 05-21-2012 11:29 PM #205
      Quote Originally Posted by bansheelos View Post
      As far as the cross support I was going to leave that cross support for 2 reasons. #1 Structural rigidity for that rear and #2 It gives me a mounting area on the trans side and all I have to worry about is the crank side which I have been going back and forth w/ designs as to what would take up minimal space, not be such and eye sore also be able to handle the torque. Granted I wont be shredding tires or anything but will def get on it when I want to.
      It def does look like a tight squeeze once the engine is in w/ that cross bar as fas as all my cooling hoses at the thermostat housing. The least I have to cut and weld I feel is better for me. Not saying that it wont work for anyone else b/c you have done wonders A1! As far as frame notches, I would def need help w/ those lol
      that cross bar doesn't do a lick for structural rigidity back there. the frame rails that tie into the solid non-removable rear apron do however

      also keep in mind you can go out side the box on this...i mean you can play around with moving your motor/trans. and personally i'd be leaning towards moving it all further back to gain some additional space. people that have done counterflow 1.8 swaps found them to be very tight against the fuel tank firewall. and granted you are modifying your firewall, but additional room to play around with wouldn't hurt.

      go check out some of the vanagon builds for how they did their motor mount setups for some ideas. here's one i know off and am following:
      http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/vie...=asc&start=180
      the vanagon guys utilize just the stock rear mounting points but make their own custom cross bar/subframe setup. their stock front transmission mount isn't really more stout or more rigid than a bay trans front mount and they are having no problem holding up to the added abuse of the vr6. this again is also proving my point that you don't need that center cross brace. vanagons never had them.

      heck here, check out my friend's cross brace he added into his two frame horns:
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...us-Build/page2
      you can see he cut open some box tubing and welded it to the frame rails for additional strength. you could do something similar to this in the rear and simply make custom mounting brackets to bolt to the motor.

      there's tons of different ways to go about this, but i just don't see that stock rear engine cross bar and mounts dealing to well with the vr6. you're gonna be throwing something that's easily 2 to 3 times heavier back there, not to mention a torque monster compared to the crappy type IV motor.

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      05-22-2012 10:39 AM #206
      Quote Originally Posted by A1steaksauce View Post
      that cross bar doesn't do a lick for structural rigidity back there. the frame rails that tie into the solid non-removable rear apron do however

      also keep in mind you can go out side the box on this...i mean you can play around with moving your motor/trans. and personally i'd be leaning towards moving it all further back to gain some additional space. people that have done counterflow 1.8 swaps found them to be very tight against the fuel tank firewall. and granted you are modifying your firewall, but additional room to play around with wouldn't hurt.

      go check out some of the vanagon builds for how they did their motor mount setups for some ideas. here's one i know off and am following:
      http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/vie...=asc&start=180
      the vanagon guys utilize just the stock rear mounting points but make their own custom cross bar/subframe setup. their stock front transmission mount isn't really more stout or more rigid than a bay trans front mount and they are having no problem holding up to the added abuse of the vr6. this again is also proving my point that you don't need that center cross brace. vanagons never had them.

      heck here, check out my friend's cross brace he added into his two frame horns:
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...us-Build/page2
      you can see he cut open some box tubing and welded it to the frame rails for additional strength. you could do something similar to this in the rear and simply make custom mounting brackets to bolt to the motor.

      there's tons of different ways to go about this, but i just don't see that stock rear engine cross bar and mounts dealing to well with the vr6. you're gonna be throwing something that's easily 2 to 3 times heavier back there, not to mention a torque monster compared to the crappy type IV motor.
      I seriously have to get my welding game up to par!!!! You guys on here are insane w/ your fabrication work. I am def small potatoes in this arena lol I thought about the cradle about a month ago after I found this page http://www.brrman.com/bus/ I def liked the design. Running a/c is def going to put me into the arena of running a cradle. Oh welding gods give me the strength. I am done w/ the wiring in how I will be running the motor just have to tape it up once its in the bay to make it look decent. Gonna have to start looking into the 2" square angle and borrowing someones welder lol The only reason I was using the moustache bar is b/c I have seen others run it on the 1.8's and it looked sturdy and clean. Def gonna have to rethink this support all over again. Thanks sauce!

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      06-05-2012 04:15 PM #207
      UPDATE: Honey do list has been kicking my butt! Been working in my mind on the bus. Started to mock up a cradle w/ wood. Its looking promising... Baby on Friday so I will be M.I.A. for a few! You stay classy.




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      06-18-2012 02:02 PM #208
      UPDATE: A1, I ordered the plate its a 4wk turnaround!
      Looking to start stripping and painting the engine area. Paint the block, get the donor car cut and sent to scrap so I can pull the bus in the garage!

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      06-18-2012 04:07 PM #209
      4 weeks is a good goal to get all that done before the fun begins. Lots of stuff to do make a list and start crossing off.
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    10. 06-18-2012 06:04 PM #210
      ha, yeah i called that one. 4-6 weeks is normal for that.

      looking forward to seeing mock up begin

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      06-18-2012 06:07 PM #211
      Quote Originally Posted by JUS_GT_EYEZ View Post
      4 weeks is a good goal to get all that done before the fun begins. Lots of stuff to do make a list and start crossing off.
      You don't remember having a new born. I was already wished the misfortune of having kids and attempting to progress with a project car.


      Quote Originally Posted by A1steaksauce View Post
      ha, yeah i called that one. 4-6 weeks is normal for that.

      looking forward to seeing mock up begin
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      06-18-2012 06:18 PM #212
      Quote Originally Posted by RafCarre12 View Post
      You don't remember having a new born. I was already wished the misfortune of having kids and attempting to progress with a project car.
      Quite to the contrary, I remember it well. She was prego when the project was started, and Los said kids would not get in the way. I am holding him to his misconceptions. $# needs a nursery in the garage so los can multitask.
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      06-20-2012 09:23 AM #213
      Quote Originally Posted by JUS_GT_EYEZ View Post
      Quite to the contrary, I remember it well. She was prego when the project was started, and Los said kids would not get in the way. I am holding him to his misconceptions. $# needs a nursery in the garage so los can multitask.
      Greasy bib!!!! FTW

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      06-20-2012 09:29 AM #214
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      06-20-2012 10:46 AM #215
      Quote Originally Posted by Gear_Dog View Post
      playpen in the garage
      Im gonna have to find one of them changing stations that fold into the wall!

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      06-20-2012 12:52 PM #216
      We have the technology to build it.
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      06-20-2012 12:54 PM #217
      Quote Originally Posted by JUS_GT_EYEZ View Post
      We have the technology to build it.
      Its already built in my head like the bus!

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      06-20-2012 01:07 PM #218
      Quote Originally Posted by bansheelos View Post
      Its already built in my head like the bus!
      Same way you built the engine support, mocked up the suspension components, re-did the interior and do a full paint job?... in your head?

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      06-20-2012 01:08 PM #219
      Quote Originally Posted by RafCarre12 View Post
      Same way you built the engine support, mocked up the suspension components, re-did the interior and do a full paint job?... in your head?
      Im driving it as we speak!

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      06-28-2012 08:47 AM #220
      UPDATE Thanks to the help of Ivan, donor is cut up and ready for removal! The family went up to the Cod this morning so.... I have a good window for working on the bus!!! Cleaning up the bay some more then coating it! KBS ftw Hopefully I dont run into any issues. Raf stopped by last night and buffed out my door and gotta say it is night and day!!!! Pics to come!
      Last edited by bansheelos; 06-28-2012 at 11:13 AM.

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      06-28-2012 09:50 AM #221
      Way to go. the family away means lot of garage time
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      06-28-2012 01:24 PM #222
      Quote Originally Posted by Gear_Dog View Post
      Way to go. the family away means lot of garage time
      Gonna need a 6pk of coke and trying to pull an all nighhter if I could lol

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      06-28-2012 01:31 PM #223
      CHEESIN LIKE A MUH!!!!!!
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      06-28-2012 06:07 PM #224
      Quote Originally Posted by bansheelos View Post
      Gonna need a 6pk of coke and trying to pull an all nighhter if I could lol
      for you or the rust?

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      06-28-2012 11:50 PM #225
      Quote Originally Posted by Colombian Gringo View Post
      for you or the rust?
      Coke for me, kbs will rid the rust lol

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