i want one but i think i'll be sticking with my d3100 til college is over
It really comes down to what features you need. For primarily a video rig, I'd say the 7D. If you shoot action stuff like sports, I'd also say the 7D. If you're doing studio work, it may give the nod to the 7D. And while a new 7D body may be $1600 and a refurb 5DII from Canon is $1760, if you want to do a real apples to apples price comparison, you should know that you can get a refurb 7D through Canon's Loyalty Program (google it) for <$1090 + your local sales tax. I got mine last year, and I think it was $1163 TMD. Looked like a brand new camera (story was that a lot of the CLP so called 'refurbs' were actually overstock returns). Put probably 15k - 20k clicks on it, and hasn't had any issues.
Back to the topic at hand, I'm excited about the 5DIII, but don't see myself buying one any time soon. I'm looking forward to what the trickle-down is to the next iteration of the 7D. I'll probably replace my backup 40D sometime late this year. It would be nice if the next version of the 7D is out, or coming soon.
I also don't see myself picking up a used 5DII, as it doesn't fit my needs as well as a 7D.
One of the things I like, is the longer 'cycle time' on the higher end Canon's. It was ~3.5 years between the launch of the 5DII and the 5DIII. If the 7D replacement hits this Fall, it will be 3 years since the 7D was announced. That's a lot longer than the usual 12-18 month cycle time has been (7D was announced ~ 1 year after the 50D). It would seem that things are starting to stabilize w.r.t. DSLR technology (at least that's how I interpret longer cycle times).
Obviously the major thing that the 7d has that the 5dmkii doesn't is the 60fps thing. But I'm not sure how important that is to me.
I rarely use it to a point that I try to find excuses to use.
Having a full frame sensor would be nice. I've shot video a LOT on both, they're both great cameras. I guess all I'm really asking is if the price break on a refurb 5DMKII, once the MKIII is released, will be a better deal than getting a 7D and Lens combo from Adorama or the like.
I'm not dissing on the 5D, guys. I own one, and am glad that I do. But from my experience, I see no true benefit of the 5D over the 7D for video. Atleast in the manner that I use it.
Sorry, for getting OT. Back to the 5DIII....
The one bright spot is, w/ the 5DIII out, Canon my add the 5DII back to the CLP program. If that's the case, I'd guess that price for a refurb'd 5DII, direct from Canon, w/ a 90-day warranty, will be $1500 +/- + your local sales tax. Not to shabby! I won't be buying one though, as I shoot action sports, and the 7D works better for me.
I owned a D700 and currently shooting with the 5DIII. I will update this thread with a comparison when I had more time to mess with the camera.
I would have had one right now but I was using a new Sigma 50 that has focus issues so I don't want to knock a camera because of a faulty lens. I'll slap the 135L on it and put it to the test tomorrow.
The 5DIII was my first venture into Canon land after 4+ years of shooting with Nikon. So this will be a comparison between the D700 and the 5DIII.
As a Nikon shooter I have to say the 5D controls are a bit odd to me. I tend to hit the back wheel when switching focus points which adjusts my Shutter speed. I may have to switch the dials around so that controls Aperture instead due to the locking feature.
In terms of ergonomics it feels quite grippy in the hand, however if you have big hands like myself getting the vertical grip will be must for it to be much more comfortable.
Photo quality I must say I am not a pixel peeper, I go by which is more pleasing to the eye, so it goes to the 5D. The tonality in the Canon sensor to me is very pleasing out of camera. Plus it doesn't hurt that it has 22MP instead of the 12MP the D700 has, it always easier to shrink a print that to expand a print.
Now of course that doesn't matter if you don't plan on printing or spending some time in front of a computer. The D700 gave a very neutral tonality and I was able to make very clean prints from the 12MP sensor.
AF speed on the 5DIII is about the same as the D700 from what I can tell. So it seems that Canon fixed that ancient system on previous 5D models. Even though the 5DII is a great camera from what I've heard minus its problematic AF.
You have 2 options at the 1500-2000 range, the 5DII and the D700. At the 2500-2800 range you have the D3 and at the 3000-3500 range you have the 5DIII and D800.
Lens on the Nikon platform are expensive the 24mm 1.4G cost 1600 used and the Canon 24II is about 1200 used. However newer Canon releases have been getting a mark up as with the newer 24-70II costing 2200. So its really a toss up with lenses if you plan on going new only.
Now which camera should you get?
If you need video features your options are limited to the 5DII 5DIII and the D800.
If you need proper AF speed take away the 5DII.
If you plan on doing massive prints the D800 is your camera.
But lets be real, the D700 is an extremely GREAT camera. If I didn't need to learn video and had a family member that went with Nikon instead of Canon I would have stayed the course with Nikon. So to me the 5D is a 3500 expense to get a good AF system, video, and help out a family member with some lenses.
If you already have Nikon glass, don't need to make large prints or need to learn video, buy the D700. It is a photographers camera at heart.
If you already have Canon EF glass, remember you can't mount EF-S lenses on their FF camera, test out the 5DII with the focus recompose technique.
To me as much as I like the Canon 5DIII the 3500 price tag is too much to pay for it.
Get the D700 if you need a pure photography camera without the bells and whistle of video, and if you already have Nikon FX glass. Yes you can use DX glass on the D700.
Get the 5DII if you can live with the focus and recompose technique and if you already have Canon EF glass.
Get the 5DIII if you have the money, and want a good camera with the bells and whistles.
Get the D800 if you have the money, want a good camera with the bells and whistles, and plan on making huge prints.
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You've also got the 7D option w/ Canon for both video, quick AF, and fast shooting (8fps). And at a considerably lower price. Considered by most to be a much better sports body than a 5DII. Granted, it is an APS-C body, but I don't see that as necessarily a down side.
FYI, I sold my 5D2 with grip and 36605 actuations in perfect shape for $1900 just a couple of days ago. It was a nice camera but the AF was killing it.
What they should do is take that 5Dc sensor, put it in a newer body with somewhat better AF and price it at 1000 and they would make a serious killing.
@Veedubbin no problem, but I highly suggest taking a look at FredMiranda.com for some lenses, you will get a good deal on there with the amount of non-pros/pros rotating lenses out. Also enjoy the D700 I sold mine prior to the D800 announcement and still miss it.
$1900 for a gripped 5DII w/ >36k clicks is a phenomenal price (for you).
The whole point of it is to be sub $1500. So its going to have limited MP, probably around 12-18MP, not that great AF, no weather sealing. If they really plan on leaving the 5DII at the $2000 mark its not going to be something that can kill revenue.
Best option for them is use a proven sensor (5Dc) so they don't have to waste a lot of money on R&D and put it in a new body with a flippy screen. Call it the Canon 6D and be done with it. You gotta remember this is supposed to be the "Rebel" of the FF line. Canon is all about making money, as seen with the 5DIII, not losing it.
Of course the whole idea of an entry level full frame could kill the sales of the 7D, & 60D as well. So who knows what they will do.
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I expect them to drop production of the 5DII shortly, now that the 5DIII is out. In fact, they probably already have, and are selling off existing inventory. Maybe they'll "de-tune" the 5DII and offer it as a lower-cost option to go FF. I don't know if they could stuff it into a 60D body or not. As I said, don't see a lot of ROI for developing a whole new body.
And Canon emphatically split the APS-C line w/ the 60D and 7D. The 60D took the xxD series down to the Rebel level, and the 7D defined a new level of semi-pro APS-C bodies. I expect will see the next version of the 7D this Fall, as it was release in Aug, '09, and is about due for an upgrade. Keep in mind that the 'duty cycle' on the new Rebels has been ~18 months (was also true for the 30D/40D/50D). I'd like to see what they're going to do w/ the next version of the 7D. Not even sure where they will go. Hopefully they'll improve the high-ISO capabilities. Maybe figure out how to get an APS-H sensor to work w/ EF-S lenses?