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      03-02-2012 03:02 PM #1
      I have an 09 2.0T, MT with about 48k, APR stage I and Carbonio.

      I have had this annoying engine hiccup right at 2750k where the power delivery is not smooth. It is like a brief pause and drop in power as the engine revs, followed by a resumption of smooth power. It only happens at 2750k and is most noticeable in 2nd gear, though I can feel it in other gears as well. It only happens under partial throttle. With anything approaching heavy acceleration, it does not happen.

      It still happens in stock, but less noticeable.

      At 39k I had the intake manifold and all injectors and plugs replaced along with a carbon clean. I had the hiccup before that work was done and still have it afterwards. No CELs with this.

      Any ideas? Does anyone else have anything like this?
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      03-02-2012 08:06 PM #2
      I'm experiencing something similar although i've never noted the rpm's when it happens. I've had mine in for the intake manifold replacement twice. They've done some kind of wiring repair, twice. And on the last visit, they said there was no signal between the pedal and the TB so they performed a pin test and ended up replacing the ECM. They had the car for 3 days and the hiccup is still present. My car is stock, no chip or intake although they did try blaming the sprint booster even after it was removed.

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      03-02-2012 08:51 PM #3
      I am aiming to get similar mileage. Well done my friend!
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      03-02-2012 10:50 PM #4
      Yes I have something like this. No cel

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      03-03-2012 09:03 AM #5
      I get this once every blue moon

      But it's usually only one time during the drive & when I've got the cruise control set on a steady drive....it'll only hiccup/surge once, that's all
      Happened on the freeway most of the time around 75mph

      Took it to the dealer...no code, no issues they say
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      03-03-2012 11:25 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by snobrdrdan View Post
      Took it to the dealer...no code, no issues they say
      Yes, that's the issue, with no code, the dealer is lost. I am considering taking it to a non-dealer mechanic who specializes in VWs and leave it chipped so you can really feel it.
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      03-05-2012 08:41 AM #7
      Well he said they drove it and checked the readings when driving and it came back okay too
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      03-08-2012 05:38 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by PirelliGolf View Post
      I'm experiencing something similar although i've never noted the rpm's when it happens. I've had mine in for the intake manifold replacement twice. They've done some kind of wiring repair, twice. And on the last visit, they said there was no signal between the pedal and the TB so they performed a pin test and ended up replacing the ECM. They had the car for 3 days and the hiccup is still present. My car is stock, no chip or intake although they did try blaming the sprint booster even after it was removed.
      Did any of the work you had done on your car ever lessen or temporarily stop the hiccup?
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      03-08-2012 06:30 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by irongrey View Post
      Did any of the work you had done on your car ever lessen or temporarily stop the hiccup?
      Unfortunately not.

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      03-08-2012 06:36 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by PirelliGolf View Post
      Unfortunately not.
      Interesting. What is the ECM?

      In any case, it eliminates more potential causes.
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      03-08-2012 06:38 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by irongrey View Post
      Interesting. What is the ECM?

      In any case, it eliminates more potential causes.
      Engine Control Module (computer)

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      03-12-2012 04:12 PM #12
      Ok, so it isn't the plugs, it isn't the injectors, it isn't the intake manifold, it isn't carbon build up, it isn't the ECU... so what is it??? What's left? Fuel pump? Valves? Vacuum system? Coils?
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      04-26-2012 11:39 AM #13
      So I finally took my car to a shop recommended by a friend and they diagnosed the problem with my car immediately. I have been having misfires in 2 cylinders which, as they explained, were not bad enough for them to show up as CELs. They suspected bad coils, replaced them, and the problem, after like 25k is finally gone. The mechanic also said that VW has a recall out on these coils and will reimburse me for the work.

      So why the hell couldn't the dealership detect the misfires and why didn't they notify me about the recall? I always had the feeling with the dealership that they were paint by numbers. If the problem wasn't obvious, they didn't seem to have any ability to think for themselves and dig a little deeper.

      The mechanic explained about how often the coils will go out on a chipped car, and he recommended to change the oil at least every 5k on a chipped car. Finally, someone who seems to know what they are talking about.
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      04-26-2012 06:26 PM #14
      Thanks for posting this. This has been annoying the hell out of me for a while now. I experience the same thing. I will call my dealer and see if there is a recall out for these cylinder springs. Its completely gone now? How much did it cost you if you dont mind posting?
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      04-26-2012 06:36 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Brett_CC View Post
      Thanks for posting this. This has been annoying the hell out of me for a while now. I experience the same thing. I will call my dealer and see if there is a recall out for these cylinder springs. Its completely gone now? How much did it cost you if you dont mind posting?
      Pretty sure when he says "coils" he means coil packs which are not springs.

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      04-26-2012 08:16 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Brett_CC View Post
      Thanks for posting this. This has been annoying the hell out of me for a while now. I experience the same thing. I will call my dealer and see if there is a recall out for these cylinder springs. Its completely gone now? How much did it cost you if you dont mind posting?
      Yes, coil packs. They are $24 each and mechanic suggested I replace all of them at the same time. $100 for parts. $50 for labor.

      He also seemed fairly certain, given the recall, that VW would reimburse me for the parts.
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      04-26-2012 08:17 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by irongrey View Post
      Yes, coil packs. They are $24 each and mechanic suggested I replace all of them at the same time. $100 for parts. $50 for labor.

      He also seemed fairly certain, given the recall, that VW would reimburse me for the parts.
      Do you have the part number for the ones they used?

      There's an updated version (last letter of the part number tells you usually)...just wondering which ones they are using now
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      04-26-2012 09:37 PM #18
      ^ YEs! i agree with above, what is the latest Rev part# for the coils?
      I see some kits @ ecs tuning that have this one [07K 905 715F]
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      04-27-2012 11:57 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Brett_CC View Post
      Its completely gone now?
      Been driving it for 3 days now and haven't felt the hiccup once.

      Still surprised I could have been having misfires and no CELs. I guess misfires are not either/or things, but rather occur on a spectrum.
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      04-27-2012 12:14 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by irongrey View Post
      Been driving it for 3 days now and haven't felt the hiccup once.

      Still surprised I could have been having misfires and no CELs. I guess misfires are not either/or things, but rather occur on a spectrum.
      On my 99 A4 I had a horrible engine stuttering problem that would sometimes even kill the engine. But there was never any CEL code and the problem would be gone if you simply restarted the engine. Dealer could never fix it or tell me what was wrong until I limped it over to them and made them drive it without shutting it off.

      First Tech that drove with me was like "yeah that's weird it doesn't trigger the CEL light" he had no clue what was wrong. He called over to the tech with Porsche badge on. He was like "seems like you MAF is bad". Plugs it into their diagnostic tool and says "yep, no way your airflow is that high at idle". I told him thanks and I bought a MAF sensor and installed it myself. That ended my almost 2 year struggle.

      It's amazing issues like these don't store codes for techs to check especially considering how lost they are without them.

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      04-27-2012 09:16 PM #21
      I have this stupid hiccup happening right now, I can't get the dealer to determine anything. I just bought the coils and plugs I'll post updates tomorrow after i change them for those interested.

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      04-28-2012 05:21 AM #22
      Hmm....re-read the first post and I've sort of had this issue...but only a couple times and it's ONLY on the freeway it's happened for just 1 time during a freeway drive....around 75mph.
      Stock tune and since 2k miles....hasn't happened in a long time though.
      I thought it was my Carbonio intake

      Part numbers for the new coils???


      And do you "have to" change the spark plugs at the same time too? I only have 9k miles
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      04-28-2012 11:39 PM #23
      Bueller?

      It's either gonna be 07K905715F or 06H905115B or 06H905115A
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      04-29-2012 10:09 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by snobrdrdan View Post
      Bueller?

      It's either gonna be 07K905715F or 06H905115B
      This is what i thought also, but every place i called asked for my vin and gave me 06H905115A , that F version youhave there apparently it's for a different engine code than mine. So i ended up purchasing what the dealer recommended. Easy plug and play for both plugs and coils, basic hand tools, hickup gone. I'm still dead curious about the part numbers because i was shooting for the F rev.

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      04-29-2012 02:28 PM #25
      Thanks man

      From what I've read 06H905115A is the newer one too according to a guy on golfmk6 that looked it up in ETKA:
      http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36323
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