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    Thread: C/D: New VW 2.0 TDI (EA288) -- 190 hp/280 lb-ft + interesting pic

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      03-03-2012 07:05 PM #1
      http://blog.caranddriver.com/detaile...er-tdi-diesel/

      - Lifetime timing belt
      - Integrated exhaust manifold
      - Balance shafts
      - Urea + Particulate trap (looks engine mounted)
      - 190 hp, 280 lb-ft

      Improving the signal-to-noise ratio

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      03-03-2012 07:12 PM #2
      Balance shafts and lifetime timing belts......LOL! VW is at it yet again! Haven't they learned anything?

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      03-03-2012 07:14 PM #3
      Still need more info about those lifetime belts

      However, with those power numbers, this is an extremely versatile engine. Could be effectively put in anything from a compact to a midsize crossover.
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    4. 03-03-2012 07:15 PM #4
      Lifetime timing belt = 100k miles right?
      Last edited by Aw614; 03-03-2012 at 07:18 PM.

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      03-03-2012 07:22 PM #5
      Very interesting, indeed.

      I didn't see it in the article; when is this supposed to arrive in NA-Market cars?
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      03-03-2012 07:22 PM #6
      Timing belt better have a lifetime warranty.

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      03-03-2012 07:25 PM #7
      How do these urea systems work? Do I have to take a piss into the tank everytime I go for a drive or what?

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      03-03-2012 07:25 PM #8
      im excited, i really do hope it comes over to NA
      with urea injection MPG's should remain higher or at least the same as current 2.0 TDI.
      and with that hp / tq ill be happy to pick one up when its time for a new vehicle.
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      03-03-2012 07:31 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Aw614 View Post
      Lifetime timing belt = 100k miles right?
      Yup. They took the idea from BMW with their "lifetime oil".
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    10. 03-03-2012 08:10 PM #10
      Tiguan Diesel?

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      03-03-2012 08:20 PM #11
      Looks like some innovative packaging, and the power numbers look pretty dang good.

      The urea additive is stored in a tank that you top off every 20,000mi or so, depending on how much the emissions system has to use.

      The change interval for the old 1.8T's timing belt was 105,000mi/10 years, so I'd expect a "lifetime" belt to be longer than that.

      The real innovation is that the belt runs through the oil sump and gets lubricated by the crankcase oil, extending its life.

      This is another reason that I expect it to have a service life more like a chain--there's no reason to go through the trouble of implementing a new system like that just to get 100,000mi out of a timing belt, they can already do that with 10-year-old technology.

    12. 03-03-2012 08:25 PM #12
      Lifetime belt? Like VW's lifetime ATF?

      What is their definition of lifetime?

      More like, timing belt will last past the warranty period, then you're on your own.

      B.S.

    13. 03-03-2012 08:35 PM #13
      Hopefully they'll get rid of that useless oil dipstick too!

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      03-03-2012 08:36 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by jaystone View Post
      Lifetime belt? Like VW's lifetime ATF?

      What is their definition of lifetime?

      More like, timing belt will last past the warranty period, then you're on your own.

      B.S.
      Yeah, just like the 105k belt vs. the 100k warranty.

      My point is, why would they use a brand-new oil-lubricated belt system that only lasts 105k miles? They can already design normal t-belt that lasts that long. Therefore, unless VAG likes spending R&D money for no reason, I expect the "lifetime" belt to be more like 150/200k miles.

      Of course, until the design has been proven I'd still feel better changing it at 100k miles anyway.

      BTW, I remember reading about these new lubricated belts not too long ago. It wasn't VW that developed the system, it was a belt manufacturer, but I can't remember who. Anyone else remember this?

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    16. 03-03-2012 08:40 PM #16
      That would be a beast.

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      03-03-2012 08:45 PM #17
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      03-03-2012 09:05 PM #18
      any idea what this is going in? We need the GTD in 'merica!

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      03-03-2012 09:09 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Gbeav View Post
      That would be a beast.
      Well, it is developing 18 hp more than my VR6 did in '97. I don't know if that classifies it as a beast, but its pretty damn strong, that's for sure. That's not even taking the additional torque into account.
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    20. 03-03-2012 09:11 PM #20
      jd, I think it's the ContiTech belt. FWIW, it's 250K "lifetime". Not an especially long life...http://www.contitech.de/pages/news/a...runner_en.html

    21. 03-03-2012 09:29 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by 2VWatatime View Post
      jd, I think it's the ContiTech belt. FWIW, it's 250K "lifetime". Not an especially long life...http://www.contitech.de/pages/news/a...runner_en.html
      250k kilometers or 250k miles? I didn't see in that press release.

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      03-03-2012 09:51 PM #22
      Seems too good to be true.

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      03-03-2012 10:29 PM #23
      Here's some more information on the timing belt. I found this a few weeks ago after hearing about the lifetime belt in the new Ford 1.0T 3-cylinder.
      http://www.contitech.de/pages/news/a...ukunft_en.html
      Improving the signal-to-noise ratio

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      03-03-2012 10:57 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by 2VWatatime View Post
      jd, I think it's the ContiTech belt. FWIW, it's 250K "lifetime". Not an especially long life...http://www.contitech.de/pages/news/a...runner_en.html
      Ah, yes, that's it! Well, if it's 250,000mi that's about as long as a timing chain will last before stretching out of spec, not to mention things like guides and rollers which can fail before that. Potentially cool.

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      03-03-2012 11:04 PM #25
      I thought the DPFs we had in our lab were the full on Semi-truck versions (it's not my project) but there is one, right there (the larger one).

      Those are some nice power figures.

      The article links to the new gassers too. There's some fancy technology going into these engines. Pretty cool ****.
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