C/D: New VW 2.0 TDI (EA288) -- 190 hp/280 lb-ft + interesting pic

[adrew]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/detaile...er-tdi-diesel/

- Lifetime timing belt
- Integrated exhaust manifold
- Balance shafts
- Urea + Particulate trap (looks engine mounted)
- 190 hp, 280 lb-ft

[Eg2Driver]

Balance shafts and lifetime timing belts......LOL! VW is at it yet again! Haven't they learned anything?

[mac dre]

Still need more info about those lifetime belts

However, with those power numbers, this is an extremely versatile engine. Could be effectively put in anything from a compact to a midsize crossover.

[Aw614]

Lifetime timing belt = 100k miles right?

[ghostsof1985]

Very interesting, indeed.

I didn't see it in the article; when is this supposed to arrive in NA-Market cars?

[lojasmo]

Timing belt better have a lifetime warranty.

[mike02467]

How do these urea systems work? Do I have to take a piss into the tank everytime I go for a drive or what?

[romanl]

im excited, i really do hope it comes over to NA
with urea injection MPG's should remain higher or at least the same as current 2.0 TDI.
and with that hp / tq ill be happy to pick one up when its time for a new vehicle.
now just have to figure out who will be first to upgrade
me '10 GOLF TDI 6MT
or my g/f '07 Rabbit 5MT

[J-Tim]

Lifetime timing belt = 100k miles right?

Yup. They took the idea from BMW with their "lifetime oil".

[JLJetta]

Tiguan Diesel?

[jddaigle]

Looks like some innovative packaging, and the power numbers look pretty dang good.

The urea additive is stored in a tank that you top off every 20,000mi or so, depending on how much the emissions system has to use.

The change interval for the old 1.8T's timing belt was 105,000mi/10 years, so I'd expect a "lifetime" belt to be longer than that.

The real innovation is that the belt runs through the oil sump and gets lubricated by the crankcase oil, extending its life.

This is another reason that I expect it to have a service life more like a chain--there's no reason to go through the trouble of implementing a new system like that just to get 100,000mi out of a timing belt, they can already do that with 10-year-old technology.

[jaystone]

Lifetime belt? Like VW's lifetime ATF?

What is their definition of lifetime?

More like, timing belt will last past the warranty period, then you're on your own.

B.S.

[KARMANN_20V]

Hopefully they'll get rid of that useless oil dipstick too!

[jddaigle]

Lifetime belt? Like VW's lifetime ATF?

What is their definition of lifetime?

More like, timing belt will last past the warranty period, then you're on your own.

B.S.

Yeah, just like the 105k belt vs. the 100k warranty.

My point is, why would they use a brand-new oil-lubricated belt system that only lasts 105k miles? They can already design normal t-belt that lasts that long. Therefore, unless VAG likes spending R&D money for no reason, I expect the "lifetime" belt to be more like 150/200k miles.

Of course, until the design has been proven I'd still feel better changing it at 100k miles anyway.

BTW, I remember reading about these new lubricated belts not too long ago. It wasn't VW that developed the system, it was a belt manufacturer, but I can't remember who. Anyone else remember this?

[Aonarch]

[Gbeav]

That would be a beast.

[Nubbin]

Too want.

[elementpb]

any idea what this is going in? We need the GTD in 'merica!

[Air and water do mix]

That would be a beast.

Well, it is developing 18 hp more than my VR6 did in '97. I don't know if that classifies it as a beast, but its pretty damn strong, that's for sure. That's not even taking the additional torque into account.

[2VWatatime]

jd, I think it's the ContiTech belt. FWIW, it's 250K "lifetime". Not an especially long life...http://www.contitech.de/pages/news/a...runner_en.html

[jaystone]

jd, I think it's the ContiTech belt. FWIW, it's 250K "lifetime". Not an especially long life...http://www.contitech.de/pages/news/a...runner_en.html

250k kilometers or 250k miles? I didn't see in that press release.

[someguy123]

Seems too good to be true.

[adrew]

Here's some more information on the timing belt. I found this a few weeks ago after hearing about the lifetime belt in the new Ford 1.0T 3-cylinder.
http://www.contitech.de/pages/news/a...ukunft_en.html

[jddaigle]

jd, I think it's the ContiTech belt. FWIW, it's 250K "lifetime". Not an especially long life...http://www.contitech.de/pages/news/a...runner_en.html

Ah, yes, that's it! Well, if it's 250,000mi that's about as long as a timing chain will last before stretching out of spec, not to mention things like guides and rollers which can fail before that. Potentially cool.

[Robstr]

I thought the DPFs we had in our lab were the full on Semi-truck versions (it's not my project) but there is one, right there (the larger one).

Those are some nice power figures.

The article links to the new gassers too. There's some fancy technology going into these engines. Pretty cool ****.

[VwG60Kid]

i need one of those and a Corrado shell stat.

[Jetta603]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/detaile...er-tdi-diesel/
soo nice

im in love!
I don't believe the lifetime belt. has to be something up with that. this thing would be a beast in my VW.

[8v_gti777]

Make a diesel GTI with this please.

[J-Tim]

Lifetime belt? Like VW's lifetime ATF?

What is their definition of lifetime?

More like, timing belt will last past the warranty period, then you're on your own.

B.S.

Yup. BMW forums have a field day with that at least once a week.

[Chapel]

Lifetime belt? Like VW's lifetime ATF?

What is their definition of lifetime?

well, the lifetime OF the belt... when the belt breaks, it's life is up.

[ping1]

'Lifetime' is codeword for 'sorry mates, we f*cked up, you've got to disassemble everything ahead of the firewall to get to it."

[someguy123]

Make a diesel GTI with this please.

It's called a GTD.

[kerridwen]

I thought the DPFs we had in our lab were the full on Semi-truck versions (it's not my project) but there is one, right there (the larger one).

Those are some nice power figures.

The article links to the new gassers too. There's some fancy technology going into these engines. Pretty cool ****.

Sure, the technology is pretty cool, and VW is sure spending a lot of money on R&D that shows on production cars...

It just seems to me that this cool tech is making engines too damn complex. I guess cars will last longer, will be more efficient, but when they break... They are done for good.

[flat6guy]

That timing belt looks like every other one i've ever seen and changed on a VW. I wouldn't drive past 60k on any of 'em

[tjl]

Balance shafts and lifetime timing belts......LOL! VW is at it yet again! Haven't they learned anything?

Given how recent VW TDI timing belt changes are very labor intensive (expensive if you pay someone to do it) and require exacting attention to detail (otherwise, the replacement belt or tensioner tends to fail early and cause expensive damage), it would be a major improvement if they actually pull off a lifetime timing belt without defining "lifetime" to be a low age or mileage.