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    Thread: vrt millage

    1. 03-04-2012 10:39 PM #1
      i don't post a lot, i use the search button more than anything a do a lot of reading.. unlike some people.

      i am planning on doing a turbo build on a mk3 OBD2 vr6 but was curious about the millage everybody's engines had/have on them when they went turbo. i have seen people talk about these engines going up to 300k, i know they are pretty strong but FI puts more stress on them..


      i'm no-where near ready to start my build, i am doing lots of reading and research. i know it's not cheap at all, and i am very excited to start.
      i would appreciate any help.

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      03-04-2012 11:37 PM #2
      i went turbo @ 166k miles ,first time the block was opened. jus ticked over 170 a couple weeks ago and still strong
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    3. 03-05-2012 05:58 AM #3
      is your bottom end stock?

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      03-05-2012 06:00 AM #4
      I was just thinking about this also as mine has 130k and I'm sure it'll be about 2 years if saving before I can get everything required

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    5. 03-05-2012 07:42 AM #5
      i'm looking for a car now, one that will be a good foundation for a turbo build. it won't be my daily so
      i don't have to worry about the miles going up. but it's hard to find a low millage vr6 that dome one isn't asking $7,000 for. 7k+turbo build=a lot of money..

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      03-05-2012 09:25 AM #6
      Not to sure but I'm guessing over 200k on my stock bottom end. Head spaced, rebuilt head with guides valves seals springs and lifters. New chains and guides. Short runner mani. Will !oost 20 all day. Tranny may not like it but the engine doesn't mind.
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    7. 03-05-2012 10:22 AM #7
      nice! i see lot of people that have 400whp on stock top and bottom end.

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      03-05-2012 12:24 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by shielj433 View Post
      is your bottom end stock?
      Stock bottom end w/ arp studs and headspacer
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    9. 03-05-2012 02:29 PM #9
      that's what i am planning to have.

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      03-05-2012 02:40 PM #10
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      03-05-2012 05:25 PM #11
      I didnt do the rod studs because the controvercy around putting them in/ machining them blah blah.

      some people slap them in and say its good others say you need to remachine the rods after installing the studs.
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    12. 03-05-2012 06:29 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by masterqaz View Post
      I didnt do the rod studs because the controvercy around putting them in/ machining them blah blah.

      some people slap them in and say its good others say you need to remachine the rods after installing the studs.
      i've never heard this..
      so high millage vrt's common, makes me feel better

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      03-05-2012 06:47 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by shielj433 View Post
      i've never heard this..
      so high millage vrt's common, makes me feel better
      theres a arguement thread on the subject kicking around
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      03-05-2012 10:31 PM #14
      I slapped a kinetics stage 2 on a rebuilt block consisting of oem pistons, arp rod bolts and main studs, HG, on a 170k mile head with new valve stem seals and have been happily boosting at 12lbs on a daily basis for about a year (roughly 12k miles)

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      03-05-2012 10:35 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by MRosier View Post
      I slapped a kinetics stage 2 on a rebuilt block consisting of oem pistons, arp rod bolts and main studs, HG, on a 170k mile head with new valve stem seals and have been happily boosting at 12lbs on a daily basis for about a year (roughly 12k miles)
      and you'll be happy with it for a long while to come, stock compression?
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      03-06-2012 08:22 AM #16
      Yes just a plain jane mk3 oem headgasket...reused the headbolts running 30# c2 software which I know im limited with but it runs exceptional and is reliable

    17. 03-06-2012 09:53 AM #17
      nice, i plan on doing all arp hardware and mk4 hg with head spacer. maybe bigger cams, but i wasn't looking to replace piston, piston rod, or valves and guides. but i'll have to see what condition the motor is when i get the car.

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      03-08-2012 06:47 PM #18
      Im building up a 6psi kit, i have 182k on it right now and by the time i have all of the parts ill probably be near 190-192k and as long as compressions good and i have no real problems im going for it. Of course the first thing i will be doing after is building a separate block on the side.

    19. 03-08-2012 10:29 PM #19
      that's a good idea.. i think i'm going to pull the motor and tear it down to see what real condition it is in then clean and replace what i need to when i rebuild it back up.

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      03-08-2012 11:43 PM #20
      damn, with those high of numbers doing my supercharger at 100k miles makes me feel extremely well

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      03-08-2012 11:47 PM #21
      I have about 160k on my VRT now.
      its been turbo for about 30k miles (4 years)

      10 psi 30# setup intercooled.
      all stock engine. original everything including chains.

    22. 03-09-2012 01:45 PM #22
      ^^^ that's awesome, i'm feeling better about this already.

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      03-12-2012 01:47 AM #23
      I have had two Mk3 VRT's. Fist one went turbo at 95k until 135k when I parted it due to rust. Second one went turbo at 140k, has about 5k on it.

      The ARP bolt issue. Most who install rod bolts do it on a "seasoned" engine. The back and fourth comes from a tolerance stand point. If you have a old engine with some wear and install the ARP bolts one at a time you should be fine. If you install new bearings and don't check your bearing clearances and install the ARP bolts you can run into wear issues with the new bearings. The problem can happen with OEM bolts also. When you install the cap bolts and torque them the cap will ovalize slightly. Not a problem with loose bearing tolerances on a used engine. Big problem with tight clearances and new bearings. ARP says to have the rod resized with the bolts installed and torqued to ensure there is no ovalizing of the rod end. Another aspect is crank bearing journals. A bearing journal can wear at a slight taper, so it can be tight in one place and fine everywhere else. All of this may be trivial to some, but very important when you build a fresh motor. This also why engine builders prefer a "loose" fresh build.
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    24. 03-12-2012 12:41 PM #24
      i get what you are saying. i would just hate to tear into a motor and it be really worn out and need more then i have to put into it. but i guess that's part of the game.. are arp rod bolts really important when you go turbo?

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      03-12-2012 12:51 PM #25
      From what I have read in here it's not needed until you get over 400 hp.
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    26. 03-12-2012 09:58 PM #26
      i was aiming for around 350whp.. i just don't know how much i want to tear into it. i've read that is you have good compression to not mess with the bottom end.

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      03-13-2012 01:17 PM #27
      Agree with most of the previous posts. You don't "need" them. I've run up to 20 psi without them and not had any issues. If you foresee yourself increasing the boost beyond 20 psi it might be worth the investment but given the HP goals you have defined they are completely unnecessary.

      There is also a high milage VRT thread out there (too lazy to search now for you) but give that a read through also.
      "OP sounds like a MKIV guy"

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      03-13-2012 08:42 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by V-dubbulyuh View Post
      Agree with most of the previous posts. You don't "need" them. I've run up to 20 psi without them and not had any issues. If you foresee yourself increasing the boost beyond 20 psi it might be worth the investment but given the HP goals you have defined they are completely unnecessary.

      There is also a high milage VRT thread out there (too lazy to search now for you) but give that a read through also.
      Good thread mentioned above. There are a few with ~180k on the clock.
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    29. 03-13-2012 10:56 PM #29
      good to know. i did a search and didn't see one, i'll look a little harder and do some reading.

      thanks for the input.

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      03-13-2012 11:15 PM #30
      Here is the thread.
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...gh-mileage-vrt

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    31. 03-13-2012 11:15 PM #31
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...gh-mileage-vrt

      found it.. lots of people running stock motors at 130,000k+ with boost. and a lot of daily driven vrt's too.

      makes you relize how strong these motors can be if they are taken care of..

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      03-13-2012 11:17 PM #32
      Beat me to it.
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    33. 03-14-2012 08:13 AM #33
      i did search google though!

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      03-14-2012 12:32 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by shielj433 View Post
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...gh-mileage-vrt


      makes you relize how strong these motors can be if they are taken care of..
      You have no idea how much beating they are capable of, stock.
      "OP sounds like a MKIV guy"

    35. 03-14-2012 03:07 PM #35
      that's just one of the reasons i love vr's.

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