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    Thread: Hella Bi-Xenon/LED headlight swap (OUCH!)

    1. Member plex03's Avatar
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      03-06-2012 11:16 AM #1
      Found the headlights for those of us who had to settle without.....

      Make sure you're sitting down.

      http://pgperformance.com/oem-new-bee...eadlights.html

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      03-06-2012 12:02 PM #2
      Mighty steep price! Instead of a headlight swap i have been thinking a nice set of aftermarket driving lights on the front grill would look clean and retro and give you the extra light source. Any one see a way to mount them? I looked up front and I dont see any place where they could go easily.

    3. 03-06-2012 02:39 PM #3
      well I'm seeing a lot of led strip lights that that would look ok as DayLight driving lights's. the flat part of the bumper above the lights might work. Ebay has tons of them.
      Can't you just turn on your fog lights during the day to use them?

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      03-06-2012 02:56 PM #4
      Only if you have fog lights. My 2.5 did not come with fog lights and personaly I think an old school set of round driving lights on the grill line would look good and be effective.

    5. 03-06-2012 06:18 PM #5
      Oh I thought you had a turbo. Well if you want the old school round look then that is going to be some work..
      Myself I would just pick up a set of these:
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/7000K-EURO-C...sories&vxp=mtr
      and then put them in the space where the fog lights would go if you had them. You might be able to mount them in the grill..
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      03-06-2012 08:18 PM #6
      Those are pretty cool, but i def want to go retro. Thanx for the idea though.

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      03-24-2012 02:12 PM #7
      I have got a pair of xenon for the 2012 beetle I have already installed them and they are plug and play, no bulb or error messages. I am trying to make the darn Leds work as DRL but the problem is that there is still no coding for the beetle on bag com so maybe I am just a click away from getting them to work, but its been a pita since we don't know the values of the bits on the 09 module coding.
      Ill post pictures later since I am at work, the xenon headlights are MUCH better that the regular ones. Also the price I paid for both was 1290 USD complete so I guess 2200 USD$ is rape.

      Ill let you know If I can get them to work and the coding required.

      Cheers a quick pic:



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      03-24-2012 08:26 PM #8
      Where did you get them?

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      04-20-2012 04:28 PM #9
      I like that look =D

    10. 04-25-2012 12:08 AM #10
      Where did u buy them ,did u change the cecm

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      04-25-2012 08:46 AM #11
      Those xenon's look sharp! Hopefully the price will drop, I'd be in the market around the $1,200 mark
      Born into a VW family, what can I say?

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      04-25-2012 03:24 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by .KIX. View Post
      I have got a pair of xenon for the 2012 beetle I have already installed them and they are plug and play, no bulb or error messages. I am trying to make the darn Leds work as DRL but the problem is that there is still no coding for the beetle on bag com so maybe I am just a click away from getting them to work, but its been a pita since we don't know the values of the bits on the 09 module coding.
      Ill post pictures later since I am at work, the xenon headlights are MUCH better that the regular ones. Also the price I paid for both was 1290 USD complete so I guess 2200 USD$ is rape.

      Ill let you know If I can get them to work and the coding required.

      Cheers a quick pic:

      What are the part numbers?

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      04-26-2012 12:06 AM #13
      I just found two pairs on Ebay for 999 for the pair. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-VOLKSWA...item20c4ebcdca is the link. Hope this helps someone out.

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      04-26-2012 12:14 AM #14
      I just found two pairs on Ebay for 999 for the pair. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-VOLKSWA...item20c4ebcdca is the link. Hope this helps someone out.

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      05-04-2012 10:20 PM #15
      I managed to snag one of those. Only saw this post afterward. I just received the pair today and they look great! They look just like the ones on PG. Can't wait to install them.

      A heck of a lot cheaper than the $1,400+ each price from the dealer.

      From what I uncovered so far, it looks like the same CECM unit is used for both, the halogen and gas discharge headlamps. I checked part numbers with a distributor, but I'm still looking into it. I'm sure some coding modifications will need to take place.
      Last edited by the beet; 07-18-2012 at 08:32 AM.

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      05-04-2012 10:41 PM #16
      BTW TWin,

      The part numbers are the same as on PG:

      Left - #5C1 941 031 A

      Right #5C1 941 032 A

      http://pgperformance.com/oem-new-bee...eadlights.html

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      05-05-2012 01:48 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by the beet View Post
      I managed to sang one of those. Only saw this post afterward. I just received the pair today and they look great! They look just like the ones on PG. Can't wait to install them.

      A heck of a lot cheaper than the $1,400+ each price from the dealer.

      From what I uncovered so far, it looks like the same CECM unit is used for both, the halogen and gas discharge headlamps. I checked part numbers with a distributor, but I'm still looking into it. I'm sure some coding modifications will need to take place.
      I think you have to have the high line computer on board as well. Most Turbos have this but not all and it's the exact opposite with the 2.5's. Most don't have it from what I understand but don't quote me on that.

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      05-05-2012 12:13 PM #18
      Plex,

      I understand what you are saying, however, after extensive research and communications w/VW parts distributor (including other details that I would rather not go into on this forum) we discovered that the part number for the Central Control Unit, Diagnosis Interface (component responsible for the data bus gateway for the halogen headlamp) is the same exact part number as that for the gas discharge headlight (HID/LED). As I mentioned, I am still looking into/confirming this info.

      I did, however, discover while conducting a test fit, that the connector which attaches to the rear headlamp housing in my existing Beetle has only 5 pins. The HID lamp has 10. Connector is same, pins not. That would likely be part of the reason that KIX's does not work correctly.

      If anyone knows where the Electronic Central Control Unit is in the car or the part number I can look into further.

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      05-05-2012 12:24 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by plex03 View Post
      I think you have to have the high line computer on board as well. Most Turbos have this but not all and it's the exact opposite with the 2.5's. Most don't have it from what I understand but don't quote me on that.
      Plex,

      The only 2012 Beetles that come w/the B-Xenon LED headlamps are the fully loaded (equipped w/sunroof, sound system, and navigation) so the remainder of Turbos may not even have the correct computer for the HIDs.
      Last edited by the beet; 05-05-2012 at 12:32 PM.

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      05-05-2012 08:45 PM #20
      Just found another "Buy It Now" set on eBay for $999 USD from the same guy I purchased mine from.

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-VOLKSWA...#ht_500wt_1331

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      05-06-2012 11:20 AM #21
      To The Beet: any pics during install or post install pics?

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      05-06-2012 06:28 PM #22
      I would love to post pics to this thread/forum as I have quite a few great ones to share, however, I believe I am currently unable to attach any photos at this time because I am still a n00b.

      I am currently still in the process for headlight install. Will keep you posted.
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      05-06-2012 09:22 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by the beet View Post
      I would love to post pics to this thread/forum as I have quite a few great ones to share, however, I believe I am currently unable to attach any photos at this time because I am still a n00b.

      I am currently still in the process for headlight install. Will keep you posted.
      Not quite noob status; you cannot attach or upload photos. You must upload to a third party server (like photobucket) for hosting.

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      05-11-2012 10:49 AM #24
      My statement regarding the headlamp harness connectors is incorrect. (sorry)

      The female harness which connects to theHalogen lamps supplied w/my Beetle is a 10 pin connector , which is currently using only 5 pins. The male connector on the back of the OEM HID lamp is a 14 pin connector, which is using 10 pins. So, I will need to see if I can get some adaptors or make some. But without a schematic, not sure how easy it will be to determine exactly where the additional wires go.

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      05-11-2012 10:58 AM #25
      You'll need these adapters:

      Kufatek Part # 36849

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      05-11-2012 12:38 PM #26
      Thanks Plex. I ordered the set from PG (a little more expensive) but should work for my needs. I looked into making my own, but the price for materials alone was a bit more.

      Do you know if the one you provided the link for has the 10 pin to 14 pin connectors? It is labeled as for VW Golf VI 6. Do you know if that will that match up with the 2012 Beetle set-up?
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      05-11-2012 07:10 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by the beet View Post
      Thanks Plex. I ordered the set from PG (a little more expensive) but should work for my needs. I looked into making my own, but the price for materials alone was a bit more.

      Do you know if the one you provided the link for has the 10 pin to 14 pin connectors? It is labeled as for VW Golf VI 6. Do you know if that will that match up with the 2012 Beetle set-up?
      That is the part number referred to when you are at the PG page for the Beetle's headlights and since the MK VI share so much I'm sure they are the right ones.

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      05-11-2012 08:51 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by plex03 View Post
      That is the part number referred to when you are at the PG page for the Beetle's headlights and since the MK VI share so much I'm sure they are the right ones.
      Thanks I realize that. I asked the guy at Kafatek, he said he could not confirm it would work for the 2012 Beetle. Anyway, it doesn't really matter as both places have to order it from Germany.

      If I made the harness adaptors myself from OEM parts, it would cost around $125.

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      05-17-2012 08:50 AM #29
      OK, I've done a bit more digging (this is a tedious process at this stage) and it looks like if you intend to go totally OEM on this upgrade (meaning using no after-market control units, add-ons, etc.) in order to upgrade from a base-model to one that will accept and run the HID/LED headlamps, you will need to replace both, body control unit (diagnosis interface data bus) and you will need a control unit for automatic headlight range control. And then likely have to make some setting changes. Still looking into.
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      07-01-2012 06:47 PM #30
      They're BAAaaaaaaAAck!!!

      Check 'em out on eBay:

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-VOLKSWA...#ht_500wt_1325

      I'm still working on the wiring, etc. Got some help. Will post more info when I have something to show.
      Last edited by the beet; 07-01-2012 at 07:09 PM.
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      07-16-2012 11:04 AM #31
      has anyone gotten this to work yet? i am looking to get mine in next week

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      07-16-2012 11:17 AM #32
      @ the beet? your not that far away im in G-burg ever make it to any car meets?

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      07-16-2012 11:42 AM #33
      I really want these, but if they are anything more than just a clean swap, I'm not so sure.

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      07-16-2012 12:30 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by sonic_va View Post
      I really want these, but if they are anything more than just a clean swap, I'm not so sure.
      Much more than a clean swap. Based on the differences between these lamps and the standard Halogen lamps, it has to be.

      Anything else would be a cheap (not very well functioning) Xenon lamp swap...
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      07-16-2012 12:33 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by brycecube View Post
      @ the beet? your not that far away im in G-burg ever make it to any car meets? ]
      Bryce,

      I go to car events all the time, but I usually bring this:

      "Just look at those wheels!"

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