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    Thread: Electronic Stability Control - How to turn off/disable?

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    1. Member BlazinVR's Avatar
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      03-08-2012 04:30 PM #1
      So according to the manual that comes with the car, "ESC is switched on all the time." There are only instructions for turning off traction control.

      JLourieR32's comment pretty much sums up why ESP sucks:
      "Then there is the ESP. I don't even plan on bringing this car to the track until this is resolved. Last thing I need is the car thinking it needs to pull my throttle or apply the brakes because it thinks I'm 'out of control.' That is just an accident waiting to happen."

      **So has anyone figured out how to turn off stability control yet?** I'm kind of hoping APR (or any other tuner) would include some sort of flash with their tune that makes the 'ESP OFF' button also disable stability control (and not just traction control).








      these guys disabled ESP by pulling a fuse. the only problem is that it also disables ABS and a couple lights :

      http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...off-i-say.html
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      Hey guys I have a 2.0 but I can't really hear my Turbo. What BoV should I get?

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      03-08-2012 04:34 PM #2
      I hear you can pull the fuse or unplug abs sensors.

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      03-08-2012 04:57 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by casperslost View Post
      I hear you can pull the fuse or unplug abs sensors.
      you can pull the big green 30 amp fuse (fuse box in the engine compartment), but it also disables ABS and a couple other lights.
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      Hey guys I have a 2.0 but I can't really hear my Turbo. What BoV should I get?

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      03-08-2012 05:09 PM #4
      Looks like a lot of fun. I'm hoping a tuner takes care of this...
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      03-08-2012 05:34 PM #5
      All you should have to do is unplug one ABS sensor, that will defeat the system without losing any lights. In fact you'll gain one! The ABS warning light. Until you plug the sensor back in.

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      03-08-2012 05:46 PM #6
      I would pay $ for this. I would also sign a liability waiver for the tuner....Come on APR or somebody-do this!

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      03-08-2012 05:53 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by johannes View Post
      I would pay $ for this. I would also sign a liability waiver for the tuner....Come on APR or somebody-do this!
      As would I, and a waiver would certainly be required. Waaaaay too much liability if someone injures/kills themselves. Probably enough reason right there for no one to want to touch that area.
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      03-08-2012 06:28 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Wlfsbrg2.0T View Post
      As would I, and a waiver would certainly be required. Waaaaay too much liability if someone injures/kills themselves. Probably enough reason right there for no one to want to touch that area.
      The tuner would just have to label it "off road use only". Then maybe an additional personal liability waiver.

      Arin from APR??

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      03-08-2012 05:50 PM #9
      TechEd has expressed concern with pulling anything ABS and what codes you might be setting on other items on the CAN bus you cannot see or do anything about. Food for thought.

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      03-08-2012 06:10 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      TechEd has expressed concern with pulling anything ABS and what codes you might be setting on other items on the CAN bus you cannot see or do anything about. Food for thought.
      Hmmm, that's not good.

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      03-23-2012 06:32 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      TechEd has expressed concern with pulling anything ABS and what codes you might be setting on other items on the CAN bus you cannot see or do anything about. Food for thought.
      ABS and ECS are one thing, but i really bought into what he had to say about ride height/quality. Now that i have driven the R for more than a month, the suspension is ****. Bump steer is outrageous. Dont listen to TechEd as the "end all, be all" of this car. Just my $0.02.

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      03-08-2012 06:30 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by BlazinVR View Post
      ...JLourieR32's comment pretty much sums up why ESP sucks:
      "Then there is the ESP. I don't even plan on bringing this car to the track until this is resolved...
      I can see where ESP could be big problem in AutoX, but I don't think its such a big deal on a road course. On my last outing at Lime Rock, I forgot to turn the ESP off in my MK IV R32, and it did not interfere at all. I never even knew it was on.

      I've had ESP really f*** with me on the street, cutting power at the MOST inopportune times, and braking wheels that I didn't want to brake, but it never even flashed once that day at the track.

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      03-08-2012 06:37 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by speedbump2 View Post
      I can see where ESP could be big problem in AutoX, but I don't think its such a big deal on a road course. On my last outing at Lime Rock, I forgot to turn the ESP off in my MK IV R32, and it did not interfere at all. I never even knew it was on.

      I've had ESP really f*** with me on the street, cutting power at the MOST inopportune times, and braking wheels that I didn't want to brake, but it never even flashed once that day at the track.

      --Chuck--
      My concern (somewhat via TechEd-yes I heard you, 'everyone's experience will vary') is I'd like to viciously hot-lap with R-compounds and very aggressive brake compounds if possible.....

      This is not a deal breaker for me...if this is not an option, I'll just use different compounds

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      03-08-2012 06:43 PM #14
      Have people confirmed (by actually trying) to see if ESP is enabled even when you disable it on a Golf R (not some other model).
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      03-08-2012 06:55 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
      Have people confirmed (by actually trying) to see if ESP is enabled even when you disable it on a Golf R (not some other model).
      even MotorTrend wasn't able to disable it. skip to 5:10 in this clip, and you'll see the guy opening up the manual to try and disable it.

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      Hey guys I have a 2.0 but I can't really hear my Turbo. What BoV should I get?

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      03-08-2012 07:12 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
      Have people confirmed (by actually trying) to see if ESP is enabled even when you disable it on a Golf R (not some other model).
      When it rains on the weekend around here is when I like to push the car because the roads are clear and there are some spots where I can get all four loose.

      Always cuts in.
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      03-08-2012 07:22 PM #17
      Ok so I guess they just disable ASR.

      I'll see what can be done. No promises.
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    18. 06-25-2012 09:32 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
      Have people confirmed (by actually trying) to see if ESP is enabled even when you disable it on a Golf R (not some other model).
      If this get resolve by ARP, it will be good revenue

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      06-26-2012 06:53 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by speedywinds View Post
      If this get resolve by ARP, it will be good revenue
      Unfortunately it was just a big tease
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      03-09-2012 07:40 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by speedbump2 View Post
      I can see where ESP could be big problem in AutoX, but I don't think its such a big deal on a road course. On my last outing at Lime Rock, I forgot to turn the ESP off in my MK IV R32, and it did not interfere at all. I never even knew it was on.

      I've had ESP really f*** with me on the street, cutting power at the MOST inopportune times, and braking wheels that I didn't want to brake, but it never even flashed once that day at the track.

      --Chuck--
      The MKIV R32 on the track with ESP on is not even worth tracking the car, it cuts in so fast. This is going to be different depending on the skill level of the driver. A green group driver is just trying to get around the track, they are not pushing the car at all.

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      03-08-2012 08:06 PM #21
      I live in Maine and we had a pretty good snowstorm a week ago. I took the R out for a spin in an empty parking lot. With it disabled, I could not get the car sideways more than 3 or 4 seconds before it was straightened out by ESP. By the end of my experiment you could smell the brakes. For track purposes I could see the advantages of such a system. But for all out boyish donuts around a parked car or light pole, it's just not possible to drift anymore.

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      03-09-2012 12:01 AM #22
      What's funny is other markets can disable ESC on their Rs and other US Audi and VWs can do the same. What makes the US R the grey duck?

      I wouldn't want a full time disable but I'd love have the switch turn all of it off when I push it.

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      03-09-2012 12:31 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      What's funny is other markets can disable ESC on their Rs and other US Audi and VWs can do the same. What makes the US R the grey duck?

      I wouldn't want a full time disable but I'd love have the switch turn all of it off when I push it.
      This is the first I've heard of this. I was under the distinct impression that all GTIs and Rs, regardless of market, had non-defeatable ESP. Can you cite a source? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'd just be very, very interested.

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      03-09-2012 12:49 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Charlie84 View Post
      This is the first I've heard of this. I was under the distinct impression that all GTIs and Rs, regardless of market, had non-defeatable ESP. Can you cite a source? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'd just be very, very interested.
      The reviews I read of the European spec Golf R all reported the stability control remaining on. A review of the GTI 35th edition did report that it was totally defeatable on that car but not the Euro spec GTI.

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      03-09-2012 01:01 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by VWPDX View Post
      The reviews I read of the European spec Golf R all reported the stability control remaining on. A review of the GTI 35th edition did report that it was totally defeatable on that car but not the Euro spec GTI.
      And I'd put money on that particular review being mistaken about the 35th Edition GTI. It just doesn't make any sense. Seems to me, the more likely explanation is that the reviewer merely turned off the traction control and assumed that all systems were disabled, as in any BMW.

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