so i dyno'd my car today to get a baseline.

[IMAN973]

who said you need to deconstruct the maps to make power? Eurodyne is opening up more and more maps... so if you understand how to tune the tables you can achieve the same effect.

regardless, keep it up john, i expect to see some passes this year!

I didnt know the maestro could change the hard code due to not using the stock lpfp
Or do antilag/boost by gear/or delete bs sensors that cause issues for no reason. If you honestly think the maestro is the best thing then you got another thing coming. The maestro is nothing compared to hondata and hondata is nothing compared to motec. Fk it takes 15-20 minutes to read and write the files and you need to do it 10+ times for a dyno tune.

If you knew the capabilities of this motor and how much these "tunes" are holding us back then you would understand. Hell John made more power then Jeff did and didnt use meth or a race file. Just think he destroyed well built cars numbers with just a tune a pump and a fpr. He still has plenty of room to go as well.

This is the second post you tried to correct me with less experience then what i have. I was the first outside of Chris and Arnold to have the maestro on a med9 which was 18 or so months ago. I very well know how the program works. Ive had giac revo tapp and maestro, and all were fine but definitely not race tunes. I would not use them on a car looking to make serious power. The maestro for the med7 is way more advanced then the med9 version and there isnt anyone making the power im going for or run the times im looking to run.

Dont get me wrong, if someone did not go so extreme as i did then it could work in the 500 range but after that your going to have to mickey mouse different computers to get it to the same quality of a sem tune. And if you wanted to get a drag quality tune then you would need other electrical components to make the car efficient.

If you have a personal problem with me please pm me like you did before and we can work it out again. Maybe you didnt elaborate as much as you should have but believe me i know these engines and computers very well.

[mrbikle]

I didnt know the maestro could change the hard code due to not using the stock lpfp
Or do antilag/boost by gear/or delete bs sensors that cause issues for no reason. If you honestly think the maestro is the best thing then you got another thing coming. The maestro is nothing compared to hondata and hondata is nothing compared to motec. Fk it takes 15-20 minutes to read and write the files and you need to do it 10+ times for a dyno tune.

If you knew the capabilities of this motor and how much these "tunes" are holding us back then you would understand. Hell John made more power then Jeff did and didnt use meth or a race file. Just think he destroyed well built cars numbers with just a tune a pump and a fpr. He still has plenty of room to go as well.

This is the second post you tried to correct me with less experience then what i have. I was the first outside of Chris and Arnold to have the maestro on a med9 which was 18 or so months ago. I very well know how the program works. Ive had giac revo tapp and maestro, and all were fine but definitely not race tunes. I would not use them on a car looking to make serious power. The maestro for the med7 is way more advanced then the med9 version and there isnt anyone making the power im going for or run the times im looking to run.

Dont get me wrong, if someone did not go so extreme as i did then it could work in the 500 range but after that your going to have to mickey mouse different computers to get it to the same quality of a sem tune. And if you wanted to get a drag quality tune then you would need other electrical components to make the car efficient.

If you have a personal problem with me please pm me like you did before and we can work it out again. Maybe you didnt elaborate as much as you should have but believe me i know these engines and computers very well.

why would you need to change the hard coding for the LPFP unless youre trying to drive an auxilery + OEM. The PWM needs to be retained due to how bosch engineered the flow dynamics of the fueling system.

We have been having success with boost by gear via a stand alone controller.... not ideal, but it achieves the same effect. Load building can also be achieved with timing and ignition modifications, and its not as hard on your coilpacks.

I am fully aware that this software is not as good as hondata or other standalones/piggybacks, but with the proper knowledge of sensors, bosch systems, and fluid dynamics... the same end result can be had.

John is going further then most of us have before in terms of deconstruction of maps, and rewriting tables.... and that should be commended, but once most of these tables are defined, and they have been, there isnt really a need, unless you are writing out functionality or evap crap.

The point of my post was so people didnt think that this process cant be reproduced 90% without writing hex. There are ways to still do it, even if you consider them 'workarounds'.

also, what times are you looking to run and wheres the state of your car? I just got mine back together from a keyway failure.

[IMAN973]

why would you need to change the hard coding for the LPFP unless youre trying to drive an auxilery + OEM. The PWM needs to be retained due to how bosch engineered the flow dynamics of the fueling system.

NOT TRUE Your looking at it from a pw standpoint. Thats not the issue im talking about. Engineered flow dynamics Using big words doesnt make the standard pw any harder to understand. The system is uber easy to understand its the bosch safeguards that suck.

We have been having success with boost by gear via a stand alone controller.... not ideal, but it achieves the same effect. Load building can also be achieved with timing and ignition modifications, and its not as hard on your coilpacks.

I am fully aware that this software is not as good as hondata or other standalones/piggybacks, but with the proper knowledge of sensors, bosch systems, and fluid dynamics... the same end result can be had.

not even close Again you only have a little adjustablity. YOU CANT DELETE SAFEGUARDS PERIOD

John is going further then most of us have before in terms of deconstruction of maps, and rewriting tables.... and that should be commended, but once most of these tables are defined, and they have been, there isnt really a need, unless you are writing out functionality or evap crap.

Again not even close to what im talking about. Evap was the least of my worries. As long as its plugged it the ecu isnt the wiser. Same goes for the intake flaps.

The point of my post was so people didnt think that this process cant be reproduced 90% without writing hex. There are ways to still do it, even if you consider them 'workarounds'.

Again.... you think 500 hp with meth is still easy? If it was then everyone would have done what jeff did 3 or so years ago on a gt30

What has John did that no one has done yet? What makes his car so special? O yea a cracked ecu....

also, what times are you looking to run and wheres the state of your car? I just got mine back together from a keyway failure.

WOW another one of those when is your car done speeches. Congrats your number 5 today. Not that i have to explain myself to you but ill say it for the groupies that watch my every post... I love building these cars and doing things no one has even thought of. I ordered my SEM last week and i plan to rip out the oem electronics as soon as it gets here and start on the harness. After i get some baselines ill hit the egt limit of my mani and redo my setup. In the meantime, im saving up for the 4 speed dog box ive been looking at. I hope you understand the money involved in doing this which is another reason why i take my time. The sem is over 5 stacks and the dog box is about the same, not including axles which are another 1500. As you can see going big isnt quick easy or cheap.

Bottom line is lack of tuning has caused this platform to get a bad rep. John has pretty much full access to the ecu which lets him do this. The maestro cant come close. Maybe after the promises and hopes become faded you will understand where im coming from. I thought the same you do until i tried to go big with little to no adjustability of the maestro.

I wish you the best but your concept of reality is a little off. All those controllers you are using, do not communicate with each other and with every adjustment on one you need to adjust the others as well. It will work id say at 80% efficiency because look at sergio. He made 250hp+ over injector limit just on a 90 dollar surflow pump so id imagine with real controllers you may make good times but not the times that you would if John did your tune.

[mrbikle]

sure buddy. good luck with your build.

[Boosted2003!]

Why not run a B8 S4 TB?

[IMAN973]

sure buddy. good luck with your build.

I dont mean to come across harsh but im just defending what i said. Im not the best there is nor do i know everything its actually the contrary, but i do know what issues i ran into. No word of mouth or speculating, just facts of the issues i hit.

On the other cars we built, we ran into issues with the limits of hondata and other ecus that are way better the the maestro. On one car we gained 100hp after rebuilding the engine and it only went 9.9s when it went 10.1s before. Its all about the tune and how the power comes in. Needless to say SEM is in the car now.

I would suggest for ANYONE looking for a race car tune, should hire John to do it. Sure he'd have to go with you to the track a few times to set up the launch control but its still better then using 8 different computers (which has no redundancy) to get down the track.

On another note i think you and tms have made some great passes to date. Im genuinely looking forward to see what you guys do in the future.

[One Bad MKV]

very nice wish i had the funds to do somthing like this

[mrbikle]

Why not run a B8 S4 TB?

i think they are close to a grand

[GolfRS]

Why not run a B8 S4 TB?

Can you actually run any TB you like ?

Is that even compatible ?

AFAIK Issam has a 70 and 75mm one for sale, that i guess is fully compatible.

[JC@DouglasVW]

Can you actually run any TB you like ?

Is that even compatible ?

AFAIK Issam has a 70 and 75mm one for sale, that i guess is fully compatible.

What price does he get for the 70?

[RaraK69]

Find a GM throttle body to suit your needs, specifically on the v8 end of things....hmm maybe look at some caddy's and SUV' they seem to share the same class of ecu (MEx9)


Maestro is great for 90% of people, then there the 10% like john that are go big or go home. Maestro does a ton of things in the 1.8t world b/c its old, launch control/antilag, NLS, thats all extra functions coded in with open source, or freely available tools to compile new code. There is not such YET for med9 that i know of, but im waiting to get cracking on that when i spend the $$ or its free . Those compilers are usually free after the life of the processor is up.


It blows my mind that more people dont tune these ecu's....really does. Its moderately simple if you know me7 or can tune maestro well. Hell ive already put the factory documentation(FDEF) and .A2l files online somewhere to freely download. Still no ones interested and complains about the platform's lack of tuning solutions. I can think of a few people in the US that will custom tune MED9 to full potential, but no one looks, so whatever.

GolfRS arent you from accross the pond? i know you tried out some US based stuff, but why not hit up some of those tuners in europe? i know of some off hand that are amazing amazing amazing at what they do.

Cant wait to see this car break 600whp

[GolfRS]

GolfRS arent you from accross the pond? i know you tried out some US based stuff, but why not hit up some of those tuners in europe? i know of some off hand that are amazing amazing amazing at what they do.

Cant wait to see this car break 600whp

Well that is the plan, and i already have someone in mind.

I'm just BSing with the Revo software at the moment trying to slightly stress the car and
see if it needs some uprated hardware before i end up on a dyno with the programmer
complaining that the car doesn't have enough fuel, or "it's a hardware issue".

I am also a firm believer that most of the software providers haven't really bothered to
go deeper into MED9 programming, and most of the issues supposedly caused by an
inefficient platform might end up being sloppy programming....

[RaraK69]

I am also a firm believer that most of the software providers haven't really bothered to
go deeper into MED9 programming, and most of the issues supposedly caused by an
inefficient platform might end up being sloppy programming....

There you go! I 100% agree with you on this, they kinda got a good number and walked away to newer things.

I think there are some reasons to this. The 2.0tfsi platform is still new in my eyes, if you go into any 1.8t forum, its chock full of my big turbo build info. Everyone and there mother builds a big turbo. Tuners see that and continually work with it, 1.8t engines have been around in the states for about 10 years too! FSI's....eh 4 years lol.

Once i think the 2.0t's become the "new" 1.8t's in a few years when mk5's are costing $5-7k USD, kids will start picking them up and doing some serious work. Its just in comparison, tuners dont have a need to really dig into something that does not have a huge demand in the grand scheme of things.

I could spend hours writing a tune for a 600whp car, but how many people is that tune going to work out for? .....1-3 people at most at a given time. Just not worth it when people expect to pay ~$700 USD for a "big turbo" tune, which is just a standard tune with a few more maps raised than a stg2+ file.........and a few maps for injectors and startup which were copied from a euro file

[mrbikle]

Hell ive already put the factory documentation(FDEF) and .A2l files online somewhere to freely download.

great resources btw.

[loudgli]

What price does he get for the 70?

$499 plus core

[IMAN973]

Can you actually run any TB you like ?

Is that even compatible ?

AFAIK Issam has a 70 and 75mm one for sale, that i guess is fully compatible.

The issue again is the ecu. The orientation of the flapper is reversed from the traditional platforms. Even if you reverse polarity, it wont work. Sam has been playing with these things for a while on and off to get us a solid upgrade.

[Sales@INA]

Can you actually run any TB you like ?

Is that even compatible ?

AFAIK Issam has a 70 and 75mm one for sale, that i guess is fully compatible.

Here at Ina we like to provide the best quality parts there are. Unfortunately there just isnt one available thats up to our high standards. We have a variety of oem compatiable units that are larger than stock and will adapt but they still have the failure prone plastic plates.

With that being said, we also want to provide you guys with upgrades that let you unleash the most hp possible. If you want a larger tb and are willing to run the risk breaking it, feel free to email us and ill get you squared away. Just remember we are working on a true quality replacement but there is no eta as of now.

[loudgli]

Here at Ina we like to provide the best quality parts there are. Unfortunately there just isnt one available thats up to our high standards. We have a variety of oem compatiable units that are larger than stock and will adapt but they still have the failure prone plastic plates.

With that being said, we also want to provide you guys with upgrades that let you unleash the most hp possible. If you want a larger tb and are willing to run the risk breaking it, feel free to email us and ill get you squared away. Just remember we are working on a true quality replacement but there is no eta as of now.

So what you're selling is just an oem peice with a plastic plate which isn't really an upgrade other than being larger? correct?

[GolfRS]

So what you're selling is just an oem peice with a plastic plate which isn't really an upgrade other than being larger? correct?

AFAIK it's a metal plate upgrade i'm guessing from a TFSI core.

That would guarantee the compatibility with the ECU.

As far as larger plastic units...i thought there aren't any.

Please provide some part numbers if you think otherwise.

[CoNGLoMeRaTeGTi]

All of the plastic plate TBs break. I have a box of a dozen broken ones lying around somewhere. (I didn't forget about you IMAN973).

I'm holding out for that INA billet 70 and 75MM TBs they're making.

[Sales@INA]

So what you're selling is just an oem peice with a plastic plate which isn't really an upgrade other than being larger? correct?

We have done EXTENSIVE r&d on these and after a few crates of non-compatible tbs(thousands of dollars worth), we discovered which work and which dont. Unfortunately they are oem units that still have the plastic plates.

Having a larger cross sectional area is an upgrade. Have a look at this tech post Issam wrote 2 years ago on the subject.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4690902

[GolfRS]

We have done EXTENSIVE r&d on these and after a few crates of non-compatible tbs(thousands of dollars worth), we discovered which work and which dont. Unfortunately they are oem units that still have the plastic plates.

Having a larger cross sectional area is an upgrade. Have a look at this tech post Issam wrote 2 years ago on the subject.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4690902

Hmmm...Dunno why people say they break.

I haven't had any issues with mine.

Or maybe you guys are referring to W/M usage and plastic TB's.

Btw, are those OEM compatible TB's in stock ??

And what is the price difference.

P.S. Although it would be better to get a metal one and be done with it....

[loudgli]

We have done EXTENSIVE r&d on these and after a few crates of non-compatible tbs(thousands of dollars worth), we discovered which work and which dont. Unfortunately they are oem units that still have the plastic plates.

Having a larger cross sectional area is an upgrade. Have a look at this tech post Issam wrote 2 years ago on the subject.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4690902

now Im confused.

Issam said your 70 & 75mm throttles had metal plates and a throttle shaft seal to prevent w/m issues?

John sorry to thread jack!

[IMAN973]

now Im confused.

Issam said your 70 & 75mm throttles had metal plates and a throttle shaft seal to prevent w/m issues?

John sorry to thread jack!

.

Here at Ina we like to provide the best quality parts there are. Unfortunately there just isnt one available thats up to our high standards. We have a variety of oem compatiable units that are larger than stock and will adapt but they still have the failure prone plastic plates.

With that being said, we also want to provide you guys with upgrades that let you unleash the most hp possible. If you want a larger tb and are willing to run the risk breaking it, feel free to email us and ill get you squared away. Just remember we are working on a true quality replacement but there is no eta as of now.

[CoNGLoMeRaTeGTi]

I ran a 70mm plastic TB a little while ago and destroyed it while loggin and road tuning.

I've since switched to an INA metal 70mm. This thing is robust and will def last compared to the OEM junk.

Sorry INA, I know I wasn't suppose to leak that out.

[mrbikle]

I have yet to break one, what conditions are they failing

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[kevin160]

I had a TB break on me at about 50k. The only mods I had at the time were an air intake and full exhaust. I didn't have a flash then either.

[GolfRS]

As with "all things TFSI" like the cam follower and sporadic failures, i think we should
take into consideration possible differences in providers.

I mean sure VDO is VDO but what if there are manufacturing plant differences or
even faulty series that might be prone to fail ??

I also had an "A" cam for 40k miles and i took it out looking brand new....

There seem to be to many variables to generalize a failing part.

[MKII420]

that's awesome!! now that my car's paid off i think i'm going to start saving up and do some tuning...

[donjuan1jr]

that's awesome!! now that my car's paid off i think i'm going to start saving up and do some tuning...

come to the dyno day to get some inspiration...

[CoNGLoMeRaTeGTi]

come to the dyno day to get more inspiration...

Fixed

[AlianomkV]

Fixed

yesss lots of inspiration, I took the jump, drove up by John (good times) and told him to do his magic cause I didnt believe him, I drove my car home, crazy now much just a tune can make
you love your car again... honestly. no other tune compares that I have seen personally, I've been in a uni car, I've had revo with all problems.. aprs, all safe low powered tunes. (I'm running a 30/71 blah blah..) the car has really woken up.

[Gonzo@GonzoTuning]

I think people don't give us little guys enough credit sometimes (whether hobbyists or your local tuner). Most of us little guys tune because its our passion, not to just profit off a mediocre base file. There is definitely still a lot to be yet explored on the TFSI platform. Heck, even on the 1.8T platform there is still people trying new things every day. I plan to completely dive into the the TFSI platform once I finish the projects I am working on the 1.8T.

Here is a to everyone who gives it their best and is willing to try new things and push it to the limit in the name of R&D (and maybe some fun ).

[MFZERO]

[CoNGLoMeRaTeGTi]

I think people don't give us little guys enough credit sometimes (whether hobbyists or your local tuner). Most of us little guys tune because its our passion, not to just profit off a mediocre base file. There is definitely still a lot to be yet explored on the TFSI platform. Heck, even on the 1.8T platform there is still people trying new things every day. I plan to completely dive into the the TFSI platform once I finish the projects I am working on the 1.8T.

Here is a to everyone who gives it their best and is willing to try new things and push it to the limit in the name of R&D (and maybe some fun ).

Gonzo, 2012 is going to be our year to shine and bring back the TFSI as a high HP contender.