New Member, Please look at my first Scan!

[Jack@European Parts]

DSG - automatic

Same crap different shovel

[SDF1]

Bad News

Dealer just called me, they couldn't start the car this morning and the MMI still flickers.

[Jack@European Parts]

Oh that was short lived LOL

Sorry.


To bad.

[SDF1]

What could it be?
Car is 3 years old and having serious problems since i've got it...

[Theresias]

Have your dealer take the drivers side a-pillar aport and in the area where the pillar bends should be a ground spot. Make sure the ground spot (not just the wires going to it) is tight - though don't force it too tight or you'll break it. This is a known flaw which might cause these troubles, most likely a production issue which manifested itself over time.

One of the reasons why I asked for a fresh Auto-Scan was to check if the dealer did what he is supposed to and update at least the relevant control modules...

#09: 8K0-907-063-D @ 0253 > 0392
#46: 8K0-907-064-AG @ 0134 > 0430

...while they are at it, they could also update some others too...

#17: 8K0-920-900 @ 0221 > 0258
#3C: 8K0-907-566-B (8K0-907-568-B) @ 0040 > 0070

[Jack@European Parts]

Has the battery been changed?

Have alternate ground straps been installed to piggy back the system to verify the condition?

The reason a bolt like this gets loose is due to insufficient ground causing heat, which in turn causes the connection to expand.

Tightening the bolt is not the only proper solution, merely a temporary, no matter where it is in most cases for high load circuits.

Ground points are a basic which should of been checked by the dealer first.

Instead of not saying not to tight why not a torque wrench?

A thing to consider is also that the new module could of been damaged again due to the bad ground and was a very temporary solution.

Cause + Effect correction or you get the effect again.

Also if something caused actual damage before, like water, this will escalate the issues with indoor ground points.

Do you drive on very bumpy roads and or is your suspension modified causing excessive vibration?

Resonance can also cause issues.

[SDF1]

Have your dealer take the drivers side a-pillar aport and in the area where the pillar bends should be a ground spot. Make sure the ground spot (not just the wires going to it) is tight - though don't force it too tight or you'll break it. This is a known flaw which might cause these troubles, most likely a production issue which manifested itself over time.

One of the reasons why I asked for a fresh Auto-Scan was to check if the dealer did what he is supposed to and update at least the relevant control modules...

#09: 8K0-907-063-D @ 0253 > 0392
#46: 8K0-907-064-AG @ 0134 > 0430

...while they are at it, they could also update some others too...

#17: 8K0-920-900 @ 0221 > 0258
#3C: 8K0-907-566-B (8K0-907-568-B) @ 0040 > 0070

Done. I just emailed the dealer to check the pillar and to update the modules.

Has the battery been changed?

Yes, back in December 4000kms ago

Have alternate ground straps been installed to piggy back the system to verify the condition?

Not to my knowledge. I haven't gotten the car back

Also if something caused actual damage before, like water, this will escalate the issues with indoor ground points.

Do you drive on very bumpy roads and or is your suspension modified causing excessive vibration?

Resonance can also cause issues.

Not to my knowledge. We are in Quebec, we don't get flooding. Only thing we get is lots of snow and salt on the roads.

My suspension is stock. Montreal is known to have ****ty roads, so the car might have hit a few bumps but not constant vibrations.

Car History. STOCK
Purchased September 2011 @ 56,000kms with CPO Warranty.
September 2011 55,000km Service done
September 2011 replaced front and rear brakes with Zimmerman discs and Hawk HPS Pads
October 2011 Brake Flush 57,000kms
October 2011 Oil Consumption test fail. New Pistons and Rings Installed 58,000kms
November 2011 Flexhose and Sunroof Visor replaced 60,000kms
December 2011 Battery died and replaced with Genuine Audi Battery 60,000kms
January 2012 Gas Flap Solenoid replaced 62,000kms
February 2012 Changed Start Button (Letters Broken) and new Spark Plugs 63,700kms
March 2012 EPB Switch and Alternator Replaced 64,000kms
March 2012 Replaced A/C Relay 64,000km
March 2012 Replaced CanBus Wiring 64,000km
April 2012 Replaced Ignition Module 64,000km

[SDF1]

Any Ideas?

[SDF1]

Have your dealer take the drivers side a-pillar aport and in the area where the pillar bends should be a ground spot. Make sure the ground spot (not just the wires going to it) is tight - though don't force it too tight or you'll break it. This is a known flaw which might cause these troubles, most likely a production issue which manifested itself over time.

One of the reasons why I asked for a fresh Auto-Scan was to check if the dealer did what he is supposed to and update at least the relevant control modules...

#09: 8K0-907-063-D @ 0253 > 0392
#46: 8K0-907-064-AG @ 0134 > 0430

...while they are at it, they could also update some others too...

#17: 8K0-920-900 @ 0221 > 0258
#3C: 8K0-907-566-B (8K0-907-568-B) @ 0040 > 0070

Theresias> I talk to the dealer and they said they plug it into the computer and there are no updates...

How do they update the modules?

[stan067]

Theresias wants an updated auto scan to see if they updated the software in some modules, you never gave him an updated scan. Please post one.

Theresias knows his stuff! So does Jack!
If he say's there are updates there are!
I can't get my local dealer to do them either. Why I have no idea.
Sometimes I think they don’t know how to do them or don’t want to take the risk of damaging a module.

Look at the bold text and it tells you what Theresias wants.
The #’s are updated versions and what they should be.
These guys speak German with there posts and if you’re not a VAG tech it’s hard to speak German! LOL

So I tried to convert it to English for you.

The dealer using their scan tool and online with VW do the update over the net.
Unless you have all the stuff at a big cost you can’t do it.
These guys spent the cash and can do it so they know. I do not and can’t.
All I want is like you just to pay the dealer to do it.
But tell the dealer all this and they will tell you there are no updates.
And Theresias gave you the actual update #’s so they exist.

Good Luck


09: 8K0-907-063-D @ 0253 > 0392
#46: 8K0-907-064-AG @ 0134 > 0430

...while they are at it, they could also update some others too...

#17: 8K0-920-900 @ 0221 > 0258
#3C: 8K0-907-566-B (8K0-907-568-B) @ 0040 > 0070

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 D HW: 8K0 907 063 D
Component: BCM1 1.0 H22 0253 (needs to be 0392)
Revision: 05022001 Serial number: 00000000172165
Coding: 26001096463CAF311F00080300003D0D0F1CD3480001016100 0000
Shop #: WSC 94827 999 10147
VCID: 3065E93E6338723

Address 46: Central Conv. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 AG HW: 8K0 907 064 AG
Component: BCM2 1.1 H71 0134 (needs to be 0430)
Revision: 00002001 Serial number: 0112743714
Coding: 0106023A007A440500B001
Shop #: WSC 02399 823 56573
VCID: 75EB182ADCDA17B

Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 920 900 HW: 8K0 920 900
Component: KOMBIINSTR. H16 0221 (needs to be 0258)
Revision: 00200000 Serial number: 98R33JC78
Coding: 8B0609003A000008020000
Shop #: WSC 02399 823 56573
VCID: E7D7C262167675B

Address 3C: Lane Change Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 8K0 907 566 B HW: 4L0 907 566 B
Component: J0769_SWA_MasterH01 0040 (needs to be 0070)
Revision: 00H01000 Serial number: --------------
Coding: 0000001
Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200
VCID: 3669DF26415C5C3

[SDF1]

Thanks stan067.
I would love to provide you guys with another scan but what I'd love more is to get my car back! It is still at the dealership. When I get it back the first thing I will do is a scan.

If these guys won't update it, I'll find another dealer that will.

[SDF1]

GOT MY CAR BACK! Don't see any flickering.

In/Out 64713/64716km
1) Replaced Ignition Starter Switch AUD 8K0909131C
re&re l/s underdash, re&re bracket under the steering column to get access to ignition starter switch, replaced ignition starter switch

87kms missing. Which makes sense as mechanic took it home and back 2 times. So 4 trips at 21.75kms.

In/Out 64803/64803km
2) No Start
Check Engine Fault Memory (1 DTC P068a00)
re&re plenum cover check motronic power supply relay - j271 for power supply (ok) power supply for relay box (ok). re&re spare tire and tool kit. Check and Clean battery ground to body.

Going out to do a full AutoScan as soon as soon as I get back home. (If the car starts and I do get home)

[SDF1]

They didn't update any of the modules,

One Error http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/01206
They changed the ignition switch at 64716, and error happened at 64802 km... Then drove 35kms? So mechanic took it home and back and didn't happened again.


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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 8T1 820 043 AC HW: 8T1 820 043 AC
Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H06 0140
Revision: C1000000 Serial number: 0107.07.080085
Coding: 64002000
Shop #: WSC 02399 823 56573
VCID: 72E12336ADB4003

1 Fault Found
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 158
Mileage: 64802 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2008.02.08
Time: 00:12:12



Irony. I'm in Munich, Germany today!

[SDF1]

I went to another dealer. They said they know of the updates but they can only be done via an SVM code provided by Audi. They don't know the SVMs if they did they would do the update, so they need a complaint that is directly connected to the module where the software would resolve it.

Anyone know a master SVM that would update all the modules?

[Jack@European Parts]

I do believe I said this already at post #5 LOL.

I'm back on, BANG BANG!



Hope it stays okay for ya!

[Jack@European Parts]

I do believe I said this already at post #5 LOL.

I'm back on, BANG BANG! I totally redeemed myself, RING RING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYCwI...eature=related



Hope it stays OK for ya!

[SDF1]

I do believe I said this already at post #5 LOL.

I'm back on, BANG BANG! I totally redeemed myself, RING RING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYCwI...eature=related



Hope it stays OK for ya!

Post#5
Correct me if I'm wrong but you said Ignition Switch or Module
Ignition Starter Switch AUD 8K0909131C was replaced Post# 47

That was replaced
Problem is solved for now!

Car runs fine, only three things I want to take care of.
1) Update all the modules. So I need a special SVM code.
2) Goes hard into 3rd gear and slips out into 4th when it's cold.
3) Bad Gas Millage.

[Jack@European Parts]

Do a de-carbon service, replace the air cleaner and MAF.

Recalibrate the trans with VCDS after doing above or even try before.

Yeah, ignition switch is the same thing as ignition starter switch. LOL

If you do above, you should see a significant improvement in operation and MPG.

Best,

[SDF1]

Do a de-carbon service, replace the air cleaner and MAF.

When you say de-carbon service you mean remove the carbon build up from the engine?
I had my pistons and rings replaced, so they should be clean and I wouldn't need that correct?

Air cleaner? do you mean air filter?

I'll ask them to change the MAF when I'm there mid May lol

[Jack@European Parts]

YUP, I wouldnt be so sure on that one. YUP and YUP

[SDF1]

This car is cursed!

I took out my air box cleaned it and replaced the air filter. I turn on the car to a few errors.
The MAF cable might not have been tight but it is now and it still giving errors...

Sunday,29,April,2012,19:43:29:10074
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.2
Data version: 20120126

Address 01: Engine (DL0MA-CAEB) Labels: 06H-907-115-CAB.clb
Part No SW: 8K2 907 115 AL HW: 8K2 907 115 D
Component: 2.0l R4/4V TF H12 0001
Revision: E1H12---
Coding: 0104010A190F0160
Shop #: WSC 94827 999 53681
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL 001001
ROD: EV_ECM20TFS0118K2907115AL.rod
VCID: 79F3141AF8C273B

2 Faults Found

4698 - Function Restriction due to Received Malfunction Value
U1113 00 [047] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 4
Mileage: 65151 km
Date: 2012.04.29
Time: 19:27:14

5664 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70)
P0100 00 [237] - Supply Voltage
MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 65151 km
Date: 2012.04.29
Time: 19:27:13


Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels: 0B6-927-156.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 927 158 C HW: 0B6 927 156
Component: 0B6 20TFSIUSA H04 0020
Revision: --H04---
Coding: 001002
Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL651 A01004
ROD: EV_TCMAL651.rod
VCID: 3669DF26895C5C3
1 Fault Found

2505 - Torque Management Feedback Signal A
P2637 00 [047] - -
Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 65151 km
Date: 2012.04.29
Time: 19:27:16


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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 AD HW: 8K0 907 379 AD
Component: ESP8 quattro H04 0060
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 152500
Shop #: WSC 02399 823 56573
VCID: 7BFF0E12FAFE41B
2 Faults Found

01314 - Engine Control Module
013 - Check DTC Memory
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101101
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 152
Mileage: 65151 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.04.29
Time: 19:27:13

Freeze Frame
Hex Value: 0x00C0
Hex Value: 0x4082
Hex Value: 0x000A
Hex Value: 0x4694
Hex Value: 0x00FF

00473 - Control Module for Elect. Park/Hand Brake (J540)
013 - Check DTC Memory
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 01101101
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 152
Mileage: 65151 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.04.29
Time: 19:27:14

Freeze Frame
Hex Value: 0x00C0
Hex Value: 0x6282
Hex Value: 0x0016
Hex Value: 0x0294
Hex Value: 0x00FF


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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540) Labels: 8K0-907-801.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 E HW: 8K0 907 801 E
Component: EPB Audi B8 H05 0060
Revision: 00000003 Serial number: 00000000165972
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 3163EC3A68327BB
1 Fault Found

01314 - Engine Control Module
013 - Check DTC Memory - MIL ON
Freeze Frame
Fault Status: 11101101
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 152
Mileage: 65151 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.04.29
Time: 19:27:14

Freeze Frame
Voltage: 11.90 V
Count: 58
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Hex Value: 0x02E0
Hex Value: 0x0001
Hex Value: 0x0101

[Jack@European Parts]

Clear it, see if it comes back.

Run readiness script or block 01-04-200 and go.

Looks induced.

[SDF1]

Dealer won't update the software without knowing a reason for the update.

Can you guys help me out? what does the software update fix ?

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 D HW: 8K0 907 063 D
Component: BCM1 1.0 H22 0253 (needs to be 0392)

Address 46: Central Conv. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 AG HW: 8K0 907 064 AG
Component: BCM2 1.1 H71 0134 (needs to be 0430)

Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 920 900 HW: 8K0 920 900
Component: KOMBIINSTR. H16 0221 (needs to be 0258)

[Jack@European Parts]

Well I would say it like this.

There are hardware and software updates because there is an apparent correction of something needed that was deemed required.

It is VW-Audi's moral/legal obligation as the manufacturer to make that update available for free, while under the warranty period.

It would also be fair to request a payment if it wasn't under warranty to perform a service update.

You have the right as the owner to all TSB, service actions, recall information, description of repairs, if you request it in writing, and also for a fee in some cases.

Request it, read it and make your argument known.
Also consult a lemon law lawyer, if you get no satisfaction.

Best,

[stan067]

Welcome to my world!
Dealers just don’t want to do it. Why I have no idea?
I actually think they are afraid to do it. Like they said only if there is a reason (aka a code they can’t fix).
The updates for Cat codes are the worst. You know they exist but they will only do it after a new Cat and you still get a code. 90% of the time the new cat will fix the problem because it’s new and working perfect.
They make way more money this way and no risk of screwing a module up.
I also think you need to really know your stuff, because it’s easy to kill a module updating.
They don’t have someone that really knows their stuff because those guys’s leave and become Jack.
People who know their stuff demand big $ or work for themselves.

The kick in the butt is these are VAG updates and you have to independent to get them!

By all rights if a factory update is available I want it and I should be able to have it done!
We update the firmware for are VCDS interface.

Jack will have to tell you cost of updates and what it will do.
If these modules are working with no problems you most likely wouldn’t spend the cash.
I know you want them so would I.
I update all computer stuff to the latest version when ever I can.

If I could pay $100.00 to have all modules updated I’d be dropping them off all day long.
G.M. does this all the time.

Good Luck

[Jack@European Parts]

He could always make lemonade!

[SDF1]

At the dealership and they said there are NO Available updates!!!


After intense googleing I found the SVM to update the Lane Assist Module
Address 3C: Lane Change Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 8K0 907 566 B HW: 4L0 907 566 B

TSB 2023691/2
Model year 2009:
If the software version is under 70 (8K0 907 566/8 A/B), update the control unit with the SVM code
3CA001.
Model year 2010:
If the software version is under 30 (8K0 907 566/8 H), update the control unit with the SVM code 3CA001.
A4 Allroad:
If the software version is under 20 (8K0 907 566/8 D), update the control unit with the SVM code 3CA001.

Wish I could find the others

[SDF1]

After lots and lots of time at the dealership.

- Mass Flow Sensor Replaced
Changes from Scan
Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 AG HW: 8K0 907 064 AG
Component: BCM2 1.1 H71 0252 (From 0134)

Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 8T0-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 920 900 HW: 8K0 920 900
Component: KOMBIINSTR. H16 0253 (From 0221)

Address 3C: Lane Change Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 8K0 907 566 B HW: 4L0 907 566 B
Component: J0769_SWA_MasterH01 0070 (From 0040)

This was never updated. What does it control?
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 D HW: 8K0 907 063 D
Component: BCM1 1.0 H22 0253


No Errors, Car had 2009 date on it. They must have reset everything.

[Jack@European Parts]

Oh my god it is about time they changed that!

[SDF1]

What I want to do next is do a Log run to check the timing, boost and everything is fine.

What groups should I log?
http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/tour/logging.htmlhttp://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/tour/logging.html
003+115+020 and 003+118+031 ?

[stan067]

Oh my god it is about time they changed that!

Changed what Jack?

Glad you got the updates. I bet you bitched a real lot to get them to do it. It's crazy they make you go thru all that for updates.


Good Luck

[Jack@European Parts]

The MAF.

[SDF1]

I can't do measuring blocks, I can only do advanced and there are soo many options. Can only log 12 at a time.

What should I log?

[SDF1]

The MAF.

Hello Jack,

New MAF. 2 full gas tanks later and I'm avg almost the same 13L/100km and I'm doing 80% highway...


55,000kms New Engine Air Filter + New Oil/Filter
58,000kms New Pistons and Rings Installed (Engine should have been cleanned (decarb service))
64,000kms New Spark Plugs
65,500kms New MAF + Cleaned Air Filter (was pretty clean when i took it out)
66,500kms on car now

What could be causing the gas millage now?

[Jack@European Parts]

Respectfully without seeing the car myself or knowing your driving habits/fuel quality.

Its hard to determine if running within specs from so far away.

Just out of curiosity what is the compression #s in each cylinder?
Do you use allot of oil?
Do you have fuel in your oil from maybe a stuck/dirty injector?