I just ordered a new 2012 Passat S with the Auto trans. Now I'm told VW is going to drop the I 5 engine. Is that going to destroy the resale value of my purchase before I even drive it?
Here's one: Given the large number of Jetta 2.5's out there, and given that it's a naturally-aspirated, chain driven, essentially bulletproof engine, maybe the first couple of years of the B7 with the I-5 will actually be desirable down the road....
I've had 2 Saab 2.0T's over the past almost 10 years (March '02 til Dec '11), and while the turbos are great once you get rolling, they're painful from the line, from 0-25 mph, IMO, even with a MT! That's where the I-5 is a great trade-off between torque and efficiency, and as I drive around the burbs and even merging onto the highway, the I-5 has been great compared to my 2.0T's (205 HP/220 lb-ft in the 02 9-3 and 210 HP in the 06). Fuel economy is about the same, but I run my B7 on 87 fuel, unlike the 9-3's that needed premium gas, and there's simply less to maintain. In sport or manual mode, the B7 is even peppier down the 35-45 mph back roads.
So I don't miss my turbo....okay that wonderful Saab turbo whine sound for those rare time when nobody's in front of me...., and of course 35-40 mpg would be great ....but at what cost in terms of performance? Now it's not clear why VW wants to have the base B7 compete with the TDi, but it may be competition with Accord/Camry that's the issue, and the Camry does devote an entire analog gauge in the cluster to fuel economy....
I'm leasing my B7, but depending on the replacement engine, I might just buy it 3 years from now. I've been happy for all 4000 miles on my I-5 thus far.
Is VW planning on dropping the I-5 from all models sold here in the USA, or will some models still be using them? Will this cause the already expensive parts to go even higher, However, I ques what I am mostly worried about is will I be Able to sell it in Five years when I get the itch for something new?
Don't worry about it. Most prospective buyers don't know the difference. There are tons of 2.5s out there. Engines change all the time in cars. Your resale will be affected by consumers reports reliability ratings and that motor trend car of the year articles. Get that copy of the magazine and keep it until you sell the car to show a prosepctive buyer they are buying a former COTY. Tell them the magazine will cost them $5 to.
"Say "What" again!
The TSI sold in the US does not have the supercharger/turbo combo. Even so, turbo lag on the VW Turbo engines is minimal. I've had the B5 and the B6. While there was some obvious turbo lag in the B5, it is not perceptible in the B6.
As far the 2.5 vs the new 1.8T engine, I would not buy the B7 with the new engine at least 1 year into its production cycle. The 2.5 is a decent reliable engine, but it is still a dog compared to the previous 2.0T engine. The 1.8T engine should deliver highway mileage in the high 30's and like current TSI products, should have a nice fat, flat torque curve.
I agree it has been very reliable. But so have the latest 2.0T TSI engines (EA888 versions since 2008). I have had a Jetta with the 2.5 and I currently have the Passat B6 with the 2.0T. Nothing to complain about either, but the torque rush in the 2.0T is intoxicating. The 2.5 hits its peak torque close to 5000rpm. The 1.8TSI has a flat maximum from 1500 to 5000rpm.
I'm not into tuning, must most would agree that it is easier to tune the TSI engines than the un blown versions. The 2.0TSI is available in as much as 270hp state of tune.
Anyway, the main point of the new engines is just not power/performance, but also its combination of fuel economy. The more powerful 2.0TSI is more fuel efficient than the 2.5. The 1.8TSI should hit close to 38MPG highway. Also, both of these engines can run on regular albeit at a small loss in power. Personally, for an average Joe like me, I can't tell the difference between a 2.0TSI running on premium vs regular, but I can tell the difference between a 2.0TSI and a 2.5.
Finally, with its common architecture with other VW engines, the new engines should be cheaper and more profitable for VW.
I guess my disagreement lies with the reliability claims of the 2.0T TSI. Our Tiguan blew three water pumps before 50K miles. There were other Tiguan owners that chimed in on the threads about failed water pumps, too. And while that may not be a HUGE issue for some of you here, it would have cost us $1,400 per repair had wwe not been under warranty. If it weren't for those issues, we would never have traded the Tig for the B7. I'd trade reliability over 0-60 acceleration any day.
You don't have to worry any more about VW dropping the I-5 engine, because I just got confirmation from Jay @ askavwsalesguy.com that VW will not drop the engine option from their line-up.
Here is the link: http://askavwsalesguy.com/blog/2012/3/27/confirmed-25l-i5-engine-not-going-away-any-time-soon.html
Hope this resolves anyone fear of depreciation for their car because the rumor is not true. And anybody that is waiting for the 1.8t you may have to wait longer then expected.
Which doesn't imply there won't be a 1.8T option available.here will be 2.5L configurations for the 2013 Jetta, Passat, and Beetle....
It could be an option available on all trims, or perhaps the S trim will get the 2.5L and SE/SELs will get the 1.8T, which would actually be worse for 2012 SE/SEL owners than completely phasing out the 2.5L.
As far as rumors go, it never made sense to me why you'd tool a factory, solve the bugs, and then in only the second year swap out the engine.....better to cut the price on the TDI and make more of them to handle the fuel economy competition.
AV...as I suggested before, you should drive the 2012 NA Passat...and compare it to a Camry....if there's no twincharging in the TSI, Ill bet the 2.5 is equally spirited as the 1.8....as Wagon 05 says, Jeremy above, and I've said before, and Motor Trend has said (the 2.5 won the COTY award), the 2.5 is well executed in the Passat....but then again, maybe that's a bad idea, as your mind is already fully closed on the I-5.....keep on dreaming of your future 1.8...I'm enjoying my Passat tremendously!
Here are the articles:
Passat V6: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...el_comparison/