G60 twin intake setup info?

[jetta-j2]

Hey all i have a g60 rado and ive got a full borla exhaust and a smaller pulley on the charger. i also got the ISV reroute but i havent installed it yet because i have a stock intake and figured ill wait to do it all at the same time. Now ive done some research and so far i think the best bang for my buck would be the Howitzer intake from BBM but ive recently been looking into the twin intake setup that ive seen on some g60s. I like the way it looks and the price is the same as the howitzer but ive seen some negative reviews and some positive reviews. Does anyone have any information about this setup and is it worth it to do this or have the howitzer with the ISV reroute. Any feedback will be helpful.
Thanks for reading.

pics of the twin intake setup
http://www.swgmotorsport.com/asps/Sh...ils.asp?id=170

[petethepug]

It's a good looking set up. He designed the alternator cover too.



The concern was the kit doesn't allow oil mist to recirculate back into the G Ladder to lube the apex strips. I think everyone's waiting for a long term, factual report to see how this kit affects the longevity of the charger.



The SWG debate started here (updated link to G60 forum)

[vdubCorrado]

and the return tube you delete also acts as a diverter valve so you now have that boost no longer being put back into the charger and dumped into the atmosphere... fortunatly with digifant you don't really have the ECU programming relying on the boost like 1.8T and 2.0T's do

personally i'm not into it but it is a nice piece

[jetta-j2]

yeah i just purchases the RSR outlet kit and i think going with bahn brenners howitzer intake will be my best bet. i want to rebuild the charger so adding anything like this setup that would jeopardize the longevity of my charger just isnt a good idea right now. Thanks for the responses it really helped

[RedYellowWhite]

yeah i just purchases the RSR outlet kit and i think going with bahn brenners howitzer intake will be my best bet. i want to rebuild the charger so adding anything like this setup that would jeopardize the longevity of my charger just isnt a good idea right now. Thanks for the responses it really helped

If you are worried about longetivity of the charger then I would suggest to use the standard G60 airbox wih a K&N panel filter inside, especially if your G60 is a daily driver Induction kits aren't very good cause of heat soak and most of the times don't produce more hp than the oe G60 airbox setup...

[jetta-j2]

If you are worried about longetivity of the charger then I would suggest to use the standard G60 airbox wih a K&N panel filter inside, especially if your G60 is a daily driver Induction kits aren't very good cause of heat soak and most of the times don't produce more hp than the oe G60 airbox setup...


the howitzer set up comes with a heat shield. and i was going to do fender vents right there into the air intake area. would those help or would you still suggest an air box set up?

[jetta-j2]

also, i love the sound of superchargers. i was going to charge my vr6 before i was basically flintstoning my car around town due to floor rot. would a stock air box setup drone out the charger sound? because i want a loud charger and eventually..when i decide to sell an arm or leg or win the lotto whichever comes first, i was gonna buy a twinscrew. but for the time being i figured id port and polish my existing charger, do the ISV reroute with an RSR outlet kit. how does yours sound with the box?

[crazynorweegian]

If you are worried about longetivity of the charger then I would suggest to use the standard G60 airbox wih a K&N panel filter inside, especially if your G60 is a daily driver Induction kits aren't very good cause of heat soak and most of the times don't produce more hp than the oe G60 airbox setup...


the howitzer set up comes with a heat shield. and i was going to do fender vents right there into the air intake area. would those help or would you still suggest an air box set up?

You seem pretty dead set on it, so just go ahead and do it. The only way you are going to get a better flow than the box to a CAI is to modify your fenders or to put it through the carbon can hole. There is a thread (I don't have the link on-hand, sorry) that analyzed the performance of CAI vs OEM box. The CAI (with shield) did do better than a normal box, but the modified box did at least as well as the CAI and costs $$$ less...

It comes down to what you really want. Seems like most people who suggest doing that dual intake setup (there are at least 5 threads like this one, BTW. Might want to search better in the future) or even the CAI are more concerned with how "sick" it looks/ sounds than what kind of performance gain they get (for the money). The only reason I might do it in the future is to get some more room in the engine bay, and then only if I know I won't be doing any regular road trips or using the car for a daily.

[jetta-j2]

i think for now because it is a daily ill stick to the air box. when i go to pull it off the road for my full time project then ill look more into intakes..or just do a vr swap lol. thanks for all of your inputs

[G60VeeDub]

Check this link out
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea....-Dyno-Content

"Well..... as i had an empty workshop and some time to play with my corrado and the dyno i thought i'd see if i could do some testing to put the old which induction kit debate to bed.
If i'm honest and you were using your car as a daily driver i would go for a paper element filter every time..... that said, if your fastidious about your maintainence and you want maximum performance..... well i'll let the figures do the talking.
All tests were performed in sucession, i did 2 or 3 runs per filter set up and the numbers posted are the best result for each filter. That said my car on our dyno is always super consistent and is usually within 1-2bhp on each setup. (Less than 1% variation which aint bad really!!!)
Obviously these are crank figures but its the difference in numbers we are interested in here not the number itself.

Standard Airbox, still with snorkle inlet and a new paper filter: 277.1bhp/7026rpm 244.0lbft/4502rpm
Standard airbox, snorkle removed and box cut away above cc: 287.4bhp/6954rpm 249.7lbft/4496rpm
SWG Twin inlet lid, cut away box bottom: 293.0bhp/7015rpm 251.1lbft/4477rpm
Jabbasport Single large cone filter and heat shield: 297.4bhp/7211rpm 250.0lbft/4704rpm
SWG Twin cone kit with heat shild: 303.2bhp/7153rpm 255.5lbft/4957rpm

I did actually log the boost level during the run and there is a 1.5psi differece between first and last kit, just goes to show the charger like to have a good supply of air to draw from.

So, there you have it. No doubting cone filters can provide the performance edge but you would really need to keep on top of things keeping it really clean and well oiled. I have never liked the fact they seem to let a bit more crap through into the charger, but like i said, if well maintained you should be ok!

Another thing to bear in mind it that this is tested on a pretty extreme case. I'm running a 65mm toothed belt on the charger so the demand for air will be that much higher than on a larger pulley.

If i had the time i'd like to compare the gains to be had from porting the charger. In particular from having done the induction kit testing i'd like to see what difference enlarging the inlet side of the charger can make. I think BBM used to do a port job where they bored the inlet side of the charger right out. I just need BBM to build some their prototype billet displacers to play with in a spare case i have and i'd be away"

[RedYellowWhite]

the howitzer set up comes with a heat shield. and i was going to do fender vents right there into the air intake area. would those help or would you still suggest an air box set up?

Its not only heat soak, its also the fact that its easier for dirt etc. to come to the charger throw it...

... would a stock air box setup drone out the charger sound? because i want a loud charger and eventually..when i decide to sell an arm or leg or win the lotto whichever comes first, i was gonna buy a twinscrew. but for the time being i figured id port and polish my existing charger, do the ISV reroute with an RSR outlet kit. how does yours sound with the box?

Inductions kits are loud (louder than the oe G60 airbox). My mechanic has a G60, he has the exact same spec/parts like on mine, only difference that he has an induction kit fitted - his is way louder than mine...If you are into that kind of stuff...

[crazynorweegian]

Check this link out
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea....-Dyno-Content

"Well..... as i had an empty workshop and some time to play with my corrado and the dyno i thought i'd see if i could do some testing to put the old which induction kit debate to bed.
If i'm honest and you were using your car as a daily driver i would go for a paper element filter every time..... that said, if your fastidious about your maintainence and you want maximum performance..... well i'll let the figures do the talking.
All tests were performed in sucession, i did 2 or 3 runs per filter set up and the numbers posted are the best result for each filter. That said my car on our dyno is always super consistent and is usually within 1-2bhp on each setup. (Less than 1% variation which aint bad really!!!)
Obviously these are crank figures but its the difference in numbers we are interested in here not the number itself.

Standard Airbox, still with snorkle inlet and a new paper filter: 277.1bhp/7026rpm 244.0lbft/4502rpm
Standard airbox, snorkle removed and box cut away above cc: 287.4bhp/6954rpm 249.7lbft/4496rpm
SWG Twin inlet lid, cut away box bottom: 293.0bhp/7015rpm 251.1lbft/4477rpm
Jabbasport Single large cone filter and heat shield: 297.4bhp/7211rpm 250.0lbft/4704rpm
SWG Twin cone kit with heat shild: 303.2bhp/7153rpm 255.5lbft/4957rpm

I did actually log the boost level during the run and there is a 1.5psi differece between first and last kit, just goes to show the charger like to have a good supply of air to draw from.

So, there you have it. No doubting cone filters can provide the performance edge but you would really need to keep on top of things keeping it really clean and well oiled. I have never liked the fact they seem to let a bit more crap through into the charger, but like i said, if well maintained you should be ok!

Another thing to bear in mind it that this is tested on a pretty extreme case. I'm running a 65mm toothed belt on the charger so the demand for air will be that much higher than on a larger pulley.

If i had the time i'd like to compare the gains to be had from porting the charger. In particular from having done the induction kit testing i'd like to see what difference enlarging the inlet side of the charger can make. I think BBM used to do a port job where they bored the inlet side of the charger right out. I just need BBM to build some their prototype billet displacers to play with in a spare case i have and i'd be away"

Nice. I guess they make a bit more of a difference than I remember. What filters were in the boxes though?

[jetta-j2]

awesome thread, thanks

[jetta-j2]

i really appreciate all of the input im getting, i just really want the best setup for my g60. my vr6 was pretty easy and straight forward as was my 1.8t because at the time i was working at VW with someone you may all be familiar with and he was helpin me out and giving me the best tips and setup for my GLI. Ive always wanted a Corrado, never thought id even consider the G60 but i wanted to play around with it and make due with what i have, especially considering i got the car extremely cheap for it being in near perfect condition and only 95k on the motor. So when i get the money up for an induction kit ill get one and play around with it and for the mean time ill grab a K&N drop in filter for my box.
Any other suggestions on what i should do to get a little more go but not over doing it?

[crazynorweegian]

i really appreciate all of the input im getting, i just really want the best setup for my g60. my vr6 was pretty easy and straight forward as was my 1.8t because at the time i was working at VW with someone you may all be familiar with and he was helpin me out and giving me the best tips and setup for my GLI. Ive always wanted a Corrado, never thought id even consider the G60 but i wanted to play around with it and make due with what i have, especially considering i got the car extremely cheap for it being in near perfect condition and only 95k on the motor. So when i get the money up for an induction kit ill get one and play around with it and for the mean time ill grab a K&N drop in filter for my box.
Any other suggestions on what i should do to get a little more go but not over doing it?

Air intake is like one of the most minimally noticeable things you could do to a G60, considering the other options. The easy thing with them is that companies have lumped stage kits together to help you out. BBM can give you some ideas just be looking at the stage kit components on their site. Test your intercooler system, get it timed right, fix the vacuum leaks, tuneup, bushings, etc. THEN, chip, pulley, cam, FPR (together). People like to do light weight flywheels too. Add decals if you want to go really really fast

Oh, and the stock exhaust is tiny, get a bigger one. Even a bump up to 2.25" was noticeable for me (mostly in sound).

[jetta-j2]

hahah yeah as of right now i have a Neuspeed 65mm pulley, Samco coolant hoses, BBM plugs and wires, and headers back 2.25in Borla exhaust. i was looking into upgrading to a front mount intercooler and i was also thinking of going to the local auto zone and buying those sweet chrome fender accents and chrome flame stickers to really unleash the monster under the hood

[wed3k]

so should i be cutting out the front snorkel out of the stock airbox?

ive always had interest in the twin charged kits.

[jetta-j2]

yeah same, they look sick but apparently arent worth the effort.

[g60301]

I had a swg dual intake on my last Corrado. I had no complaints, sounds pretty cool. But if you go that route you have to worrie about the apex strips getting there so called oil mist they need.

[petethepug]

The G ladder is internally lubed from a recirculating, external source (motor). Does any of the oil supplied to the bearings weep through into the charger itself? The big question is: Would all that oil in the G Ladder piping still accumulate if a SWG twin intake was on the car?

[crazynorweegian]

so should i be cutting out the front snorkel out of the stock airbox?

Wait, are you being serious? I put mine back in for winter because my car was having trouble warming up. But yeah, slightly noticeable difference with the snorkel out and the flap held shut.

hahah yeah as of right now i have a Neuspeed 65mm pulley, Samco coolant hoses, BBM plugs and wires, and headers back 2.25in Borla exhaust. i was looking into upgrading to a front mount intercooler and i was also thinking of going to the local auto zone and buying those sweet chrome fender accents and chrome flame stickers to really unleash the monster under the hood

Missing cam and chip.

[jetta-j2]

yeah im gonna cam and chip it and i think stop at there for now..

[jetta-j2]

this is my baby..im too embarassed to take a picture of the engine bay, previous owner was a certified back yard technician..lets just say i have a lot of wiring to do lol

[G60VeeDub]

older pic of my engine for inspiration

[jetta-j2]

thats the kind of setup i want. looks good.

[TheBurninator]

Hasn't this topic been beaten to death already? And why didn't OP search before posting?

[jetta-j2]

Well this post was more or less just for basic information on what the best setup for my g60 would be. I just stumbled across this intake setup and I did search and didn't really find a straight forward answer so I figured id start a new one to get more direct answers regarding my situation..

[wed3k]

Wait, are you being serious? I put mine back in for winter because my car was having trouble warming up. But yeah, slightly noticeable difference with the snorkel out and the flap held shut.



Missing cam and chip.

mine doesn't warm up until i get to work anyways. i put a lower temp thermostat

[crazynorweegian]

mine doesn't warm up until i get to work anyways. i put a lower temp thermostat

Eh, I tried that. It wasn't really worth all the hype. I put in the OEM temp stuff and I still have a hard time warming up. If you have good hoses an clean radiator (and aren't running your car in a hot climate), the low temp stuff is not that necessary. I would much rather get my car out of the warm up program during my drive.

[wed3k]

your new motor should be running well