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      03-20-2012 07:57 PM #1
      I have the typical "rear 2 resonators/mufflers removed with nice tips"

      but I want more of a "R36 no muffler" sound

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgKC1TUb6Wc

      Since its hard to decifer the comments, I was wondering how exactly to get this sound. I am considering going to my custom exhaust shop and seeing what they say. I still need to keep cat/cats and at least something to keep the car legal for inspection purposes.

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      03-20-2012 09:02 PM #2
      Sounds really good... But I would imagine that there would be tons of drone inside the car. I sent out a pm to alvint@borla today about the possibility of fabing a cat back system for our 4motions.He worked on creating the system for the 2.0t and just gave it a shot to see what he says.... http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4498675

      I also emailed other companies like magnaflow, apr, and others, but none of them showed any interest.

      If we could make a list of those interested in purchasing a cat back system, at a reasonable price, maybe they would be more inclined to fab one for us. I'll start it off:

      1. 3.6awdwagon

      Hear are links to some cat back systems available overseas.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9S7w...eature=related
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQUbrPin3I

      http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13322914759472

      http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13322915368143

      http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13322915933244

      I also sent a message for pricing to Bastuck Exhaust to see what their system is going for. Waiting for a response.
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      03-20-2012 11:42 PM #3
      well i'd obviously be in

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      03-21-2012 12:00 AM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by VR View Post
      I have the typical "rear 2 resonators/mufflers removed with nice tips"
      You removed the 2 rear mufflers? I removed the suitcase and am very pleased.

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?p=75809152

      I have a feeling that some major manufacturers weren't interested due to the complexity of the system and problems with CELs. I would go the custom route. But my custom exhaust guy said that he would highly recommend an h-pipe instead of straight pipes for the sake of the sine wave kickback tripping the CEL. And leaving the cats in place. I don't know much about it, that's just what he said. Almost kind if made me laugh...but it makes sense.
      Last edited by thekmish; 03-21-2012 at 12:05 AM.

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      03-21-2012 12:13 AM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by thekmish View Post
      You removed the 2 rear mufflers? I removed the suitcase and am very pleased.


      yes I deleted the 2 rear mufflers only

      the black arrow that isn't labelled.....i am thinking these are 2 more resonators behind the cats? my car has them also but wasnt sure exactly what they were

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      03-21-2012 01:04 AM #6
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      03-22-2012 09:13 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by VR View Post


      yes I deleted the 2 rear mufflers only

      the black arrow that isn't labelled.....i am thinking these are 2 more resonators behind the cats? my car has them also but wasnt sure exactly what they were
      I believe in the pic that the black arrow is the second set of cats?

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      04-30-2012 02:16 PM #8
      I had a rep from Borla contact me. How many 3.6 4 motion owners would be interested in a borla cat-back setup? They're not going to make a system unless they have the numbers.

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      04-30-2012 02:30 PM #9
      Depends on price. And would have to sound much better than my $60 res delete.....and of course some added performance wouldn't hurt either.

    10. 04-30-2012 03:00 PM #10
      I am interested in changing the exhaust system of my B6 3.6 4Motion and have not found a complete system for my car.

      if I delete the resonator did not indicate any fault in my cluster as "Check engine"? ? ? ?

      I've been thinking about installing the reprogramming of Unitronic leaving my car at 308HP, believe me cause problems with the automatic transmission? ? ?

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      04-30-2012 03:47 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by ALI RIOS View Post
      I am interested in changing the exhaust system of my B6 3.6 4Motion and have not found a complete system for my car.

      if I delete the resonator did not indicate any fault in my cluster as "Check engine"? ? ? ?

      I've been thinking about installing the reprogramming of Unitronic leaving my car at 308HP, believe me cause problems with the automatic transmission? ? ?
      If you are asking by deleting the resonator will trip a CEL...no it will not. To my understanding, the only way to trip a CEL is when you start playing with the exhaust at the Cats forward.

    12. 04-30-2012 06:09 PM #12
      The first mod I did in my PASSAT 3.2 fsi : small brother of yours was deleting the suitcase resonator: the sound wasn't nice and was too bad for highspeed travels...

      the best mod in my case was just deleting the 2 small resonators between the cats and the suitcase.

      here the sound:



      regards

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      04-30-2012 08:42 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by 3.6awdwagon View Post
      I had a rep from Borla contact me. How many 3.6 4 motion owners would be interested in a borla cat-back setup? They're not going to make a system unless they have the numbers.
      I might be interested. Also depending on price. Thanks for checking it out.

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      04-30-2012 09:00 PM #14
      I'm in

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      05-01-2012 11:52 PM #15
      That's really interesting. I've never heard of anyone deleting the two rear mufflers. I really like the sound clips I've heard from those who deleted the center suitcase. The cars with the two resonators (right behind the cats) deleted sound pretty good too, but I'm very curious how your car sounds with the two rear mufflers removed. Any audio or video clips? It would be great to be able to compare all three.

      I've thought of removing the center suitcase and one resonator. My thinking is I would get the deep growl from the suitcase delete and a little added "raspy-ness" by removing just one resonator. Any thoughts?

      PS... I'd also be interested in that Borla Cat-Back, but it would have to sound phenomenal... Otherwise I'd just go with the delete options.
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      05-02-2012 05:57 AM #16
      the sound is very close, i would say in listening to sound clips vs. mine (not in person) my car sounds much more smooth, no rasp at all. and maybe slightly less noise also

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      05-02-2012 04:42 PM #17
      Although not a B6, I have 12V VR6 passat and removed all resonators and mufflers and added a Borla muffler. Sounds great! I also modified the air box.. if VW had made a 3.6 with a manual and AWD, I would have been all over that.. damn you vw!

      Borla also have a nice and clean sound.. im sure the 3.6 sounds like beast.

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    18. 05-04-2012 02:41 AM #18
      This is Alvin from Borla Performance in CA. Which YR/MAKE/MODEL/ENGINE/DRIVE are we talking about here? Thanks guys.

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      05-04-2012 07:55 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by alvint@borla View Post
      This is Alvin from Borla Performance in CA. Which YR/MAKE/MODEL/ENGINE/DRIVE are we talking about here? Thanks guys.
      2006-2008 3.6 VW PASSAT. I'm assuming we all have 4motion and they are definitely all automatic.

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      05-04-2012 09:08 AM #20
      3.6 4motion passat/cc from years 2006-present with dual exhaust exiting on both the left and right of the rear bumper.

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      05-04-2012 10:57 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by 3.6awdwagon View Post
      3.6 4motion passat/cc from years 2006-present with dual exhaust exiting on both the left and right of the rear bumper.

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      05-04-2012 11:15 AM #22
      Place your name if you are interested!

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      05-04-2012 12:21 PM #23
      Joel, have any gains, other than sound been given for the kits overseas?

      I have access to a custom shop, but Id be curious to know if modifications to the system can help power at all.

      FWIW - the r36 has no pre-cats overseas, this most likely contributes to their power increase compared to us, as well as unique sound. Ive also notice the 2 pipes b/w the second pair of cats and resonators go inward towards one another, then back out before the resonators.(on both r36 and US 3.6) I am debating replacing these with straight pieces at the same time I do a pre-cat delete.

      Ive also toyed with the idea of a true dual on the car, but I think the firing order (among other things) would need to be taken into consideration. I think that the stock exhaust, as far as cat back goes, is designed pretty well. With exception of what I mentioned about the bent piping, and the merge by the rear diff.

      It is hard for me to put my name on the list without knowing cost, power gains, finish, and sound changes. Especially if they can all be had by replacing a few components individually or at an exhaust shop.
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      05-04-2012 03:25 PM #24
      I would definitely be interested in a cat-back setup. My 3.6L is FWD though. I'm sure other FWD 3.6L owners on here would be interested as well.
      Oh... I just got a clue. Oohhhhh.... Ohhhph Frank! I have such a raging clue right now, I think we better follow it.

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      05-04-2012 03:42 PM #25
      I would be in. My cats are going and need to replace them soon.

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      05-04-2012 08:51 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by alvint@borla View Post
      This is Alvin from Borla Performance in CA. Which YR/MAKE/MODEL/ENGINE/DRIVE are we talking about here? Thanks guys.
      2008 Passat 3.6L 4Motion, wagon

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      05-04-2012 09:55 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by bliznack View Post
      I would definitely be interested in a cat-back setup. My 3.6L is FWD though. I'm sure other FWD 3.6L owners on here would be interested as well.
      I'm not 100% sure... But I think the cat back exhaust systems for the 2.0t might work with the fwd 3.6 vehicles. If I were u I would check oem part #'s on the exhaust after the cat on both the 3.6 and 2.0t.

      Once again, please copy and paste the list posted above and add you name if you are interested.

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    32. 05-10-2012 03:14 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by judedude View Post
      I would be in. My cats are going and need to replace them soon.
      A cat-back installs 'behind' the catalytic converters... cats not included.


      This example represents a Borla true-dual for the best B6 AWD system in performance, look, sound, and estimated price:
      X-pipe/Mufflers/Polished Tips

      http://borla.com/products/product_de...rod_sku=140442


      Let me know if this is what you guys are thinking... Thanks for your interest in Borla!

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      05-10-2012 08:59 AM #33
      That looks great but at $1500, I think it is steep.

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      05-10-2012 09:27 AM #34
      I'm hoping that wouldn't be the price, otherwise you can count me out.

      I would be interested in knowing if removing 2 of those resonators/mufflers would reduce the price/cost at all.

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      05-10-2012 11:05 AM #35
      Knowing how tight the tunnel is on these cars, with the driveshaft ( and knowing vw guys like to go low) the 2 middle mufflers would need to be shaped like round resonators. to keep clearance that is.

      1400 isnt that bad considering I paid 1150 for my 1.8'ts turbo back, and this is a lot more piping.

      Lol you guys wanted a company to make exhaust, and this is why they dont do it. because people dont wanna pay. If the gains arent there (or decent sound) then it isnt worht it I agree, but YOU bought the 3.6, and it deserves a quality exhaust. Im just hoping the piping is stainless. the reason they dont offer kits for the car is because of a limited market to begin with. 1400-1500 is reasonable.

      Alvint, do you know if an x-pipe and true dual will actually benefit what is essentially an inline motor? I know x+h pipes work good on 90 degree v8s and v6s. But im curious what the thought process is behind choosing that path for the 3.6.
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