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    Thread: IL: 2013 Subaru BRZ Full Test and Video

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      03-24-2012 10:05 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by PassSedanGLX View Post
      Lateral Gs, yo. If they're the same, it must handle just as well. I read it in Car & Driver.
      Seriously, this is something only people who have driven a car like this can understand. I don't care if the GTi, MS3, Genesis or Mustang can hold .92 on the skid pad, they do not handle as well as the S2000 (can't speak for the BRZ right now without driving it) does for example.

      Skidpad is just a measure of straight up grip, not balance and agility. Two completely different things that cannot be read on a piece of paper.

      For this reason people t may have a hard time respecting and appreciating it.

      I always say this to people and they don't get it.

      I will say honestly though, that the car is pretty slow. That is subjective of course but I like a little more power than this thing offers, but that can be fixed easily in the aftermarket. I would rather have a car that is sorted properly and just add HP, opposed to a car that has adequate HP but all the aftermarket in the world can't fix its inherent problems.
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      03-25-2012 12:00 AM #27
      Sorry, but 7+ seconds to 60 is just bad for a 25k car. And regardless of how a car handles, a slow accelerating car isn't great. I'll keep my S2k...

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      03-25-2012 12:03 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Ark6 View Post
      Sorry, but 7+ seconds to 60 is just bad for a 25k car. And regardless of how a car handles, a slow accelerating car isn't great. I'll keep my S2k...
      The last S2000 was $36k new.
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      03-25-2012 12:30 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      What other new 25k rear drive car is faster?
      Camaro V6
      Mustang V6
      Genesis 2.0t

      That being said, I love the Toyobaru
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    5. 03-25-2012 12:34 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by JLJetta View Post
      One can't measure anything with respect to handling?

      How, ignorant.

      Sorry to hurt your bubble, but two cars that handle identically, but one which is slow, and one which is fast.. generally, i'll be smiling more in the fast one.
      Skidpad "stick" isn't handling. I can go put R-Compounds on a Town Car and give you nosebleeds, does that make it a good handler?
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    6. 03-25-2012 12:39 AM #31
      "The rev limiter in 2nd gear kicks in at 59.2 mph, requiring a second shift to achieve the milestone and slowing the time considerably." I certainly don't think this car is slow. On paper it's quicker than many cars I have owned that felt quick or satisfying. It probably rips to 55 MPH in exactly 6 seconds.

      So, can all the pimple faced kids who couldn't even qualify for a loan PLEASE stop trying to ruin every car that comes out by whining and crying over it's specification sheet with no regard to HOW it generates those specifications?
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      03-25-2012 12:39 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Camaro V6
      Mustang V6
      Genesis 2.0t

      That being said, I love the Toyobaru
      Well.. ok.
      I forget the base models are so low priced.
      But you need upgrades (sports package) on the V6 Mustang and Camaro to even be in the same handling universe.
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    8. 03-25-2012 12:41 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Well.. ok.
      I forget the base models are so low priced.
      But you need upgrades (sports package) on the V6 Mustang and Camaro to even be in the same handling universe.
      No one here would go buy a base V6 Camaro. No one.
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      03-25-2012 12:52 AM #34
      The BRZ is a small, light, quick RWD hatch back coupe that gets really good mpg, handles like a wet dream where you are working your way through your entire high school cheer leading team and if that wasn't enough it's reasonably priced!!! It's everything we have been begging for since Celica's went FWD yet the TCL still isn't happy. Go FuQ yourselves and find a new hobby. Obviously driving isn't your thing.
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      03-25-2012 12:57 AM #35
      Opposite lock through the skid pad, nice

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      03-25-2012 01:15 AM #36
      IL had a 2-3 shift. Motortrend got 6.4

      .92g on skidpad with middle ground skinny tires, that's excellent.

      Personally I hope there's even more negative hype - at least until mine arrives. I don't want market adjustment charges.

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      03-25-2012 01:24 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Well.. ok.
      I forget the base models are so low priced.
      But you need upgrades (sports package) on the V6 Mustang and Camaro to even be in the same handling universe.
      Yes for the Mustang, no for the Camaro. Even with the performance package, the Mustang comes in under the base price of the FR-S...

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      03-25-2012 01:25 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
      No one here would go buy a base V6 Camaro. No one.
      Number 1 selling RWD coupe in Murrica.

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      03-25-2012 01:28 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Khyron View Post
      IL had a 2-3 shift. Motortrend got 6.4

      .92g on skidpad with middle ground skinny tires, that's excellent.

      Personally I hope there's even more negative hype - at least until mine arrives. I don't want market adjustment charges.
      Now that's more like it. Nearly a second faster than IL's testing.
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    15. 03-25-2012 01:48 AM #40
      59 mph in 2nd gear? That thing will slay autocrosses!

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      03-25-2012 02:11 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by 8v_gti777 View Post
      Seems to chirp 2nd nicely
      my 98 Suzuki Swift 1.3l with 79hp could chirp 2nd gear.
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      03-25-2012 06:07 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by dunhamjr View Post
      my 98 Suzuki Swift 1.3l with 79hp could chirp 2nd gear.
      My 90 year old grandmother does bong hits. What's your point? The Swift is FWD which means as you launch the front get's even lighter on an already scary light vehicle with teeny tiny tires.
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      03-25-2012 07:08 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by eunos94 View Post
      The BRZ is a small, light, quick RWD hatch back coupe that gets really good mpg, handles like a wet dream where you are working your way through your entire high school cheer leading team and if that wasn't enough it's reasonably priced!!! It's everything we have been begging for since Celica's went FWD yet the TCL still isn't happy. Go FuQ yourselves and find a new hobby. Obviously driving isn't your thing.
      It's not a hatch, unfortunately. I would have loved to see it as a liftback, but no dice.

      Quote Originally Posted by 20aeman View Post
      Yes for the Mustang, no for the Camaro. Even with the performance package, the Mustang comes in under the base price of the FR-S...
      ...and it still won't drive as well as the FR-S/BRZ.

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      03-25-2012 10:23 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by 20aeman View Post
      Number 1 selling RWD coupe in Murrica.
      Shall I bring up all the other amazing top selling cars in Murrica?

      Corolla. Civic. Camry. Etc......
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      03-25-2012 12:13 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by 20aeman View Post
      Yes for the Mustang, no for the Camaro. Even with the performance package, the Mustang comes in under the base price of the FR-S...
      But the base V6 Mustang with the sports package is an amazing performance deal, and probably very hard to find (a base V6 Mustang with with just that option).

      A car doesn't have to have the best performance specs for the money to still be a good car.
      Heck- look at the GTI.
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    21. 03-25-2012 04:39 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfVIDriver View Post
      I am curious, how do you define handling and what determines "identical" handling?

      "This car is about handling, PERIOD. This is not something that can be measured by numbers.
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      Yes, there is absolutely zero input stimuli which can be measured. That is why there is never ever any attempt to measure any of the various factors of handling. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

      Methinks you're the ignorant one
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      03-26-2012 01:29 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by eunos94 View Post
      My 90 year old grandmother does bong hits. What's your point? The Swift is FWD which means as you launch the front get's even lighter on an already scary light vehicle with teeny tiny tires.
      my point is that its really not all the impressive to hcirp 2nd.

      especially when its fairly common knowledge that the car is not wearing sticky rubber in the first place.

      chirping tires that barely provide adequate traction is meh.
      if it was chirping drag radials, then i would be impressed.
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      03-26-2012 01:51 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by dunhamjr View Post
      my point is that its really not all the impressive to hcirp 2nd.

      especially when its fairly common knowledge that the car is not wearing sticky rubber in the first place.

      chirping tires that barely provide adequate traction is meh.
      if it was chirping drag radials, then i would be impressed.
      I still haven't wrapped my head around the logical reason for going with low rolling resistance tires on a performance model.
      Were they concerned with the economy estimates since a small sports coupe like this may rely on better economy for some sales?
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      03-26-2012 02:56 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by vwlarry View Post
      I get the distinct impression from this machine that Subaru, at long last has finally perfected the Volkswagen Scirocco.
      As nimble as the Scirocco was, it was much more of a GT than an all out sports car.

      I think of it more like a modernized, affordable 944.
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