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    Thread: Adding to my Stg 3 kit

    1. Member high_octaneGTI's Avatar
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      03-25-2012 10:01 PM #1
      Dont post too much on here... but i thought i would share what I'm doing to my car in case others wanted to do the same.

      What was on the car:
      - APR Stage 3
      - BSH motor/tranny mount
      - BSH VTA catch can
      - EJ valve cover
      - Neuspeed TB pipe
      - C2 dsg software

      Added:
      - IE rods
      - JE pistons 9.5:1 CR
      - ARP head studs
      - calico coated rod bearings
      - Mishimoto radiator
      - HTA upgraded compressor wheel (should flow 51lbs/min)
      - Eurodyne Maestro 7

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      Car is now at my local vw shop (Dubsquared) getting dyno tuned with Eurodyne's software.
      We ran into a few problems when doing the tune though...Had to get a 3 bar "map" sensor, new o2 sensor, n75. Might have to adjust the wastegate or get 1 with a higher psi.

      my goal is at least 400whp.
      Hopefully it will be done this week

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      03-25-2012 10:06 PM #2
      Nice buildup. You getting an LSD?
      My build.
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      03-25-2012 10:08 PM #3
      you most certainly should be able to get 400.... id think more along the lines of 450+.

      dont be suprised if you have to upgrade your intank pump.

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      03-25-2012 10:10 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by mrbikle View Post
      you most certainly should be able to get 400.... id think more along the lines of 450+.

      dont be suprised if you have to upgrade your intank pump.
      oops i forgot to add that i got USP's kit for the intank pump

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      03-25-2012 10:13 PM #5
      that pump will fuel cut under a 1/4th of a tank, btw. Works until then though, lol

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      03-25-2012 10:16 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by mrbikle View Post
      that pump will fuel cut under a 1/4th of a tank, btw. Works until then though, lol
      haha would it help that i also have APR's drop in tank too?

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      03-25-2012 10:17 PM #7
      nope, lol.

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      03-25-2012 10:31 PM #8
      chit

    9. 03-25-2012 10:50 PM #9
      Not going to lie, really sick build man. 1 question though...not sure of your financial situation but did you ever think about going with the newer gtx turbos either 28 or 30 series? Just wondering since your going Eurodyne and all.

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      03-25-2012 10:56 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by fahrenheitstephen View Post
      Not going to lie, really sick build man. 1 question though...not sure of your financial situation but did you ever think about going with the newer gtx turbos either 28 or 30 series? Just wondering since your going Eurodyne and all.
      thought about it but I've read good things about getting HTA compressor wheel. It wasn't too expensive to upgrade it either ($600 i think). And it helps that Forced Performance that does the upgrade is only 15 minutes from my house

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      03-26-2012 02:13 AM #11
      very nice! consider me a fan! post back with what you're able to get out of it

      Oh and the last pic of your car makes me think about painting my lowers
      Engineers do it better.

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      03-26-2012 03:28 PM #12
      ^^^^

      You should! You can't even tell that they use to be textured. The body shop painted the front lip,sides, and my votex rear for $500

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      03-29-2012 12:56 PM #13
      Update:

      Boost won't go past 22psi so I just ordered a boost controller.
      @22psi it dynoed 350whp.

      Any idea how much boost I might be able to run on my setup once I add my EBC?

    14. 03-29-2012 01:01 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by high_octaneGTI View Post
      Update:

      Boost won't go past 22psi so I just ordered a boost controller.
      @22psi it dynoed 350whp.

      Any idea how much boost I might be able to run on my setup once I add my EBC?
      Depending on the rest of your setup you can go to 24 and possibly 26 psi, but
      that is where you start blowing hot air.

      What software are you running again ?? ARP ??

      Have they set that to boost more than 22 psi ?Or are you just taking over ??

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      03-29-2012 01:05 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfRS View Post
      Depending on the rest of your setup you can go to 24 and possibly 26 psi, but
      that is where you start blowing hot air.

      What software are you running again ?? ARP ??

      Have they set that to boost more than 22 psi ?Or are you just taking over ??

      I'm running eurodyne. They tried to see boost higher but eurodyne told them that the ecu has a cap of 22psi unless you add a boost controller

    16. 03-29-2012 01:10 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by high_octaneGTI View Post
      I'm running eurodyne. They tried to see boost higher but eurodyne told them that the ecu has a cap of 22psi unless you add a boost controller
      Well there is a cap of the MAP sensor at 1.55 bar, but i can't be sure that also effects how much the car can boost.

      I'm guessing you can't ask the ECU to boost more than it can "see" but i never heard this actually
      prevents you boosting above that....

      Still, there is also a limit to what the turbo can do.I think the compressor might be able to boost up to
      30 PSI but i don't know if the extra boost is actually "good" boost or the turbo is running out
      of efficiency....

      From my experience with the turbo, 26 psi is a good pressure to run to allows you to run some
      timing too.But please report back and let us know how you did.
      Last edited by GolfRS; 03-29-2012 at 01:12 PM.

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      03-29-2012 01:27 PM #17
      Will do

      Yeah I know the stock map has a cap so I'm running a 3 bar map.

    18. 03-29-2012 01:28 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by high_octaneGTI View Post
      Will do

      Yeah I know the stock map has a cap so I'm running a 3 bar map.
      I don't get it then...

      If you have removed the map sensor map then what is preventing you from boosting more ??

      That cap would be the reason the ECU cannot see more boost and thus cannot adjust the N75
      but if you rescale the map then you shouldn't be having these issues....

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      03-29-2012 01:52 PM #19
      need the 3 bar from a tdi (i believe) to get the wider resolution. Funny thing is, the output is limited to 256 bit, so even though the computer can see the wider range and calculate correct load, you do not see the numbers past 22 or 24 psi in the output

    20. 03-29-2012 01:56 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by mrbikle View Post
      need the 3 bar from a tdi (i believe) to get the wider resolution. Funny thing is, the output is limited to 256 bit, so even though the computer can see the wider range and calculate correct load, you do not see the numbers past 22 or 24 psi in the output
      Don't really know such specifics of the ECU but on this side of the pond i can tell you
      there are S3s and Cupras that have that MAP sensor (it is the same as the tdi) and
      the ECU reads up to 2.5 bar.

      So i don't really know this limitation you are talking about, cause that would mean
      their ECU has different specs which i don't believe it does.

      But as i said haven't bothered doing the "conversion" cause there is any software out there
      to support it, so the boost controller is the only way i guess (at least until someone tries the
      other route..)

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      03-29-2012 01:59 PM #21
      there are a lot of benefits to using an EBC. Personally I'd ditch the n75... then you wont have issues with the ecu removing boost, change the way the turbo spools, in car adjustment, exc.

      OP: if you are tuning mafless, get the 3 bar.

    22. 03-29-2012 02:01 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by mrbikle View Post
      there are a lot of benefits to using an EBC. Personally I'd ditch the n75... then you wont have issues with the ecu removing boost, change the way the turbo spools, in car adjustment, exc.

      OP: if you are tuning mafless, get the 3 bar.
      I'm not running the N75 stand alone.

      The software zeroes the N75 at WOT and the car runs off the MBC.

      Smooth as butta...

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      03-29-2012 02:12 PM #23
      as long as it works, thats great. I thought yuo were having issues with the ecu removing boost up top though?

    24. 03-29-2012 02:22 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by mrbikle View Post
      as long as it works, thats great. I thought yuo were having issues with the ecu removing boost up top though?
      Yes but it doesn't do it all the time and i'm guessing it has to do with the fine tuning
      as i'm on stock CR and can't really adjust timing or fuel accurately to compensate.

      I've seen TB closing up top but can't really pin point what it is the ECU sees
      and is causing this.But as i said it doesn't do it all the time.I've isolated all the
      common culprits like rear pump and such, and rest of the variables seem normal
      but remember i'm "abusing" a generic software that can only be partially
      adjusted....

      Best thing would be custom software of course but i'm curious to see how far this goes.

      Have to finalize the tweaking and then dyno...
      Last edited by GolfRS; 03-29-2012 at 02:38 PM.

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      03-29-2012 08:57 PM #25
      Great build dude! I would really like to see some highway pulls if you ever have the chance "closed course" ofcourse hehe.

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      03-29-2012 09:49 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfRS View Post
      Depending on the rest of your setup you can go to 24 and possibly 26 psi, but
      that is where you start blowing hot air.
      needs meth.
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      03-29-2012 09:57 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Krieger View Post
      needs meth.

      been talking to my tuner about that. i'll prob go that way soon though

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      03-29-2012 09:58 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by eatmorice View Post
      Great build dude! I would really like to see some highway pulls if you ever have the chance "closed course" ofcourse hehe.
      picking up the car tomorrow so ill see what i can do

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      03-29-2012 10:36 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by high_octaneGTI View Post
      been talking to my tuner about that. i'll prob go that way soon though
      you will make a ton of power if you tune for it... cooler, higher octane, more boost, etc etc etc.
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      03-30-2012 05:47 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfRS View Post
      Yesp

      I've seen TB closing up top but can't really pin point what it is the ECU sees
      and is causing this.But as i said it doesn't do it all the time.I've isolated all the
      common culprits like rear pump and such, and rest of the variables seem normal
      but remember i'm "abusing" a generic software that can only be partially
      adjusted....

      Best thing would be custom software of course but i'm curious to see how far this goes.

      Have to finalize the tweaking and then dyno...
      Not seeing any of your logs my guess your TB closure is caused by your Higher MAF reading now versus what the sw was tuned. IMO unplug it and take it for a ride. Bob. G
      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
      Quote Originally Posted by jhines_06gli View Post
      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
      -J. Hines

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      03-30-2012 05:59 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by high_octaneGTI View Post
      Update:

      Boost won't go past 22psi so I just ordered a boost controller.
      @22psi it dynoed 350whp.

      Any idea how much boost I might be able to run on my setup once I add my EBC?
      Have you upgraded the lowside fuel system ? If not that's gonna be atleast part of what's limiting your boost. Bob G
      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
      Quote Originally Posted by jhines_06gli View Post
      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
      -J. Hines

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      03-30-2012 11:03 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by rracerguy717 View Post
      Have you upgraded the lowside fuel system ? If not that's gonna be atleast part of what's limiting your boost. Bob G
      I have usp's kit

    33. 03-30-2012 12:36 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by rracerguy717 View Post
      Not seeing any of your logs my guess your TB closure is caused by your Higher MAF reading now versus what the sw was tuned. IMO unplug it and take it for a ride. Bob. G
      Hmmmm that might be a thought, but since this sw is used by all boost controlled
      Revo cars with stage4 (plus ? LOL) i'm sure Revo had that covered.

      Besides, it doesn't happen all the time.I'm guessing when the car gets hot...

      I'm also running full advance so that have a part in it...

      We'll see....

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      03-30-2012 03:47 PM #34
      Car feels solid

      just waiting for the EBC now

      oh and I'm running mafless

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      03-31-2012 11:40 AM #35
      4th gear @22psi


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