The fact that you (and others) keep refusing to recognize this fact just goes to show how far up your collective asses your heads really are.
Say what you want about the incident in Turkey, but it is not comparable to what happened in Malaysia, other than the fact that two cars hit each other.
Additionally, the fact that you guys have to keep dragging out a singular incident from 2 years ago just to slam Vettel and myself is really, really stretching to find something to bitch and moan about.
Last edited by nickthaskater; 04-02-2012 at 09:54 PM.
My opinion is that NK did the best he could to let Vettle by while also trying to keep his car on the track. Not an easy task, especially with the expectation by some that backmarkers basically have to pull over and stop to let them by. Give the guy a break, he's driving a sub par car on wet track. He's allowed to compete for his own position just as much as Vettle is allowed to compete for his, as long as he obeys the rules which, in my opinion he did.
Add to that Webber and Vettel were wheel to wheel to the edge of the track, whereas Vettel left Karthikeyan a full car width to his left, which Karthikeyan ignored having decided to meander over to the racing line.
But hey, I don't expect you to understand that when you're so fixated on doing nothing but riding my ass
I'm not making Vettel out to be a "perfect driver" by any stretch; however, this incident was not his fault.
So far as mistakes go, how is anything Vettel has done "pretty big" relative to any other driver? He's made mistakes, as virtually every other driver has done and continue to do. Hell, just look at Button and Hamilton in Montreal, and take a gander at how lengthy Button's resume is.
NK did not do his best, as I have clearly illustrated innumerable times that he had a full car-width of track available to his left that he decided not to use. At no time would he have had to go off the track for Vettel to clear him without incident.
Can he compete for his position? Sure. Was he fighting for position with Vettel? Nope.
If all you people want to do is keep going around and around in a never-ending circle jerk, restating the same tired crap time and time again, save yourself the trouble and don't bother replying. I know I won't be, save for one of you bringing something new to the table (though I'm not holding my breath).
Last edited by nickthaskater; 04-02-2012 at 10:51 PM.
Here are the two preceding cars, running against, and in the case of the Marussia, on the curbing, with absolutely no trouble. They also stay over there far longer than NK did, again, with no trouble.
Here's NK moving over much sooner than the other cars did, and subsequently making contact with Vettel
And for those spouting that NK was moving back to the racing line, where do you think Vettel was? Also note how there are no marbles to be seen (the marbles are on the perimeter of the corner, not on the corner exit)
Since the other video was taken down by FOM, feel free to watch this one, and again, take a look at NK's move toward the right at 1:02
Either way, he hurts himself. He can keep it up for all i care. They've called him the Crashkid before.
And yes, he's been called the crash kid, but you know who else has crashed an awful lot..? Hamilton is more deserving of that particular crown than Vettel by far.
Let's not forget this gem (while we're digging up skeletons from the closet):
Last edited by nickthaskater; 04-03-2012 at 12:38 AM.
Look at the width of that track. The racing line is drying and off the racing line is damp/ wet.
Remember that Nahrain just went off slightly on the damp part of the track, had spinning wheels and is trying to come back onto the racing line as Vettel comes hammering around the same corner. Look at the part of the Video from that same angle and you can see Vettel coming into turn 8 too fast. This picture clearly shows Vettel coming over too soon.
Vettel made the same rash move when he hit the front of Webber's car in Turkey, racing for position or not. If the passed car is not cleared, then you risk damaging/ crashing your car. Point proven in both instances. What part of this do you still not understand?Originally Posted by J.Allen
NK went off the track with plenty of time prior to Vettel getting to him. Saying that he had "spinning wheels" is nothing short of hilarious. If that was indeed the case, and he was not in control of the car due to his off-track excursion, that's all the more reason that he should have gotten completely out of the way (that would be in addition to his severe lack of pace due to going off). He was a rolling hazard even more than usual, and that would only be exaggerated by your claim which would do nothing but serve my point.
I'm not sure where you're getting that Vettel came in too fast; he remained on the track (unlike Karthikeyan) and was carrying on without issue up to the point of contact. Talk about pulling things out of your ass (though, unfortunately, it wasn't your head).
You haven't proven (or disproven) anything. But like I said, you're dead-set on going against me, and you're biased against Vettel to begin with, so you can believe whatever you want to believe
1. What is Hamilton doing driving this thing around so far when he immediately knows that he has a broken rear suspension? IMO, that deserved a penalty. He's endangering the rest of the field on that tight circuit. Then he gets out and stupidly checks his suspension like he didn't know.
2. Right at the beginning of the video, you can see the cars ahead of Button are on the same racing line as Button appears to follow when Hamilton tries to squeeze by, so why is this called "Button hits Hamilton?
Nahrain goes wide and Vettel is entering same turn (with a car that goes 5 seconds faster per lap? LolNK went off the track with plenty of time prior to Vettel getting to him.
Really? Slicks on damp/ wet surface? Lol, where do you come up with this??Saying that he had "spinning wheels" is nothing short of hilarious.
Of course you know how easy that is to do in race conditions going into a turn in those conditions. Lol.If that was indeed the case, and he was not in control of the car due to his off-track excursion, that's all the more reason that he should have gotten completely out of the way (that would be in addition to his severe lack of pace due to going off). He was a rolling hazard even more than usual,
....and that would only be exaggerated by your claim which would do nothing but serve my point.
You can clearly see it on the video. He seriously reduces his speed (probably sees Nahrain in the middle of that turn going off and realizes that he has to hug the inside of that turn.) Only smart move here.I'm not sure where you're getting that Vettel came in too fast;
...where he pulls that boneheaded move and slices his tire. Lol....he remained on the track (unlike Karthikeyan) and was carrying on without issue up to the point of contact.
In Canada last year it was hamilton's fault?
But in Malaysia Vettel is at fault?
I sense some Button bum buddyness here.....
Originally Posted by spockcat
The Marussia is driving all by his lonesome self, not being pushed to the side by an incoming driver. It's a different situation than negotiating a corner while being lapped and trying to stay on the track at the same time.
The only point I'm trying to make is that this is a racing incident and not a collision caused solely by NK. Vettle steamed into that corner and effectively pushed NK to the dirty outside. Look at the video again and watch Vettle. It was an aggressive move on his part and he paid for it.
Vettel did no "pushing" of any sort, considering Karthikeyan didn't go anywhere near as far out on the exit of the corner as Hamilton and the Marussia. Had Karthikeyan gotten up onto the curbing on the exit as the Marussia did, you may have a point, but he never touched the curb.
Last edited by nickthaskater; 04-03-2012 at 01:25 PM.
That's the end of this thread, folks. I asked nicely before for a cessation of the interpersonal insults.
People in this forum need to start acting in a more civil manner toward each other, or they may find themselves not posting in it any more.