1.8t Oil FIlter, is there 2 Different Sizes??

[Broke Status]

So today I was to my buddies shop and picked up some oil and a filter and didn't really notice until I had the new filter on the car it felt a bit smaller in my hand and when I held it up to the old one you can tell it is also smaller in size. Its an OEM Mahle filter... Question is does mahle make two different sizes or did he just possible give me wrong filter by mistake? It seems fit on car perfectly and does not leak any oil what so ever. So can anyone shed some light on what filter I got and if its possible the wrong one. I was thinking it may be a 2.0 filter but didn't think it would fit if it was. Thanks in advance.

Ryan

[gmikel]

So today I was to my buddies shop and picked up some oil and a filter and didn't really notice until I had the new filter on the car it felt a bit smaller in my hand and when I held it up to the old one you can tell it is also smaller in size. Its an OEM Mahle filter... Question is does mahle make two different sizes or did he just possible give me wrong filter by mistake? It seems fit on car perfectly and does not leak any oil what so ever. So can anyone shed some light on what filter I got and if its possible the wrong one. I was thinking it may be a 2.0 filter but didn't think it would fit if it was. Thanks in advance.

Ryan

the smaller filter is for a horizontal engine, the larger for the longitudnal engine (passat). it's intent is to increase capacity. they both work on either engine, but the smaller one is not recommended for the longitudnal engine.

[Broke Status]

So it would be recommended to get the larger one then as I have a longitudinal engine in my Passat? Or would it be fine to run this one for just this oil change

[Anony00GT]

Run that one until your next oil change, you'll be fine.

I usually put the bigger one on all 1.8T's.

[dewkie]

FWIW VW didn't put the larger filter on the non-transverse engines until 04(could be off by a year). And if capacity is what you desire get a vanagon filter, it close to twice the size of the 06a 115 561b standard 4cyl filter.

[Apexxx]

I don't have a problem with the smaller filters. In fact, the grey Fram Tough Guard is an AWESOME product. It takes the really silly Fram XG to beat it.

Purolator has several that fit, inc a "shorty" version of the "big" filters, which goes in some odd Audi 90 V6, to clear a subframe..?

Anyway, any and all VW canister filters are interchangable.
Just look at the catalogue, forwards and backwards.

STP S3569 is a good filter cheap, but PepBoys house brand Purolators are great and very cheap at $4ish. Pair that w/a oil change special and you're good.

[Apexxx]

it's got silicone ADBV and metal friggin' screening!

http://fram.com/products/oil_filters...st#product-230



Specially engineered filtering media arranged in two plies and reinforced with a metal screen to deliver up to 10,000 miles of engine protection.1
Traps and holds more than double the dirt of leading economy oil filter brands' average.2
97% Dirt Trapping Efficiency2
Silicone anti-drainback valve holds a reserve of oil in the filter to help protect the engine during start-ups

[gmikel]

I don't have a problem with the smaller filters. In fact, the grey Fram Tough Guard is an AWESOME product. It takes the really silly Fram XG to beat it.

Purolator has several that fit, inc a "shorty" version of the "big" filters, which goes in some odd Audi 90 V6, to clear a subframe..?

Anyway, any and all VW canister filters are interchangable.
Just look at the catalogue, forwards and backwards.

STP S3569 is a good filter cheap, but PepBoys house brand Purolators are great and very cheap at $4ish. Pair that w/a oil change special and you're good.

it's not a short oil filter, it's larger in diameter. originally a diesel filter, it was implimented on the passat and a4 to increase capicity to deal with the sludge problem. good deal on the jetta 1.8t as it put capacity at a full 5 quarts.

[Apexxx]

Umm, no.

[gmikel]

Umm, no.

[Anony00GT]

Yes, the Mann W940/25 was originally designed as a diesel filter. It's used on the 1.8T's to help mitigate the sludge problems.

STP 3569 and the OE Mann W940/25, side by side. Decide for yourself.

[gmikel]

i was comparing the 719/30 to 740/25, the latter is both longer and bigger in diameter, thus the increased oil capacity.

[Anony00GT]

Correct. The 719/30 is equivalent to STP 2870A.

[Apexxx]

There is also a stubby filter w/large diameter. Only about 3" long.

[Anony00GT]

There is also a stubby filter w/large diameter. Only about 3" long.

Yes. I forget the part number (it's been awhile since I've installed one of those), but IIRC it's interchangeable with Fram PH16 (Chrysler/Jeep).

[Apexxx]

iirc, the Motorcraft FL-1s fits, but has a lower bypass setting. Too bad, with a silicone (speced) ADBV and robust construction....

I considered one possible advantage to the lower BPV to be increased flow, in say a racing situation. Filters bypass quite a bit anyway, and filtration is a non-issue, so I don't see an issue, other than maintaining a certain back-pressure in the system, of which there are usually internal check valves anyway....?

Flow is key, not pressure, such as most motorheads believe. We have pressure gauges, not flow gauges, because it's impractical on a non-stationary engine to design and install one. It would take a combo of actual flow and temperature for a non-newtonian fluid to get a correct quantity. Flow, not pressure is what cools main bearings and such, better. Improved flow and circulation keeps the bulk oil temp down too.

[gmikel]

[Anony00GT]

Flow is key, not pressure, such as most motorheads believe. We have pressure gauges, not flow gauges,

Can't tell you how many times I've seen people make that mistake. With turbo boost as well. Pressure is actually a measure of resistance, not volume or flow.

[Apexxx]

Less pressure = more flow.

[05mkIVeuro4life]

I run the big mann for peace of mind. I think it is really the act of changing it that keeps your car alive longer. I can run a better filter for stupid mileage and f*ck my car up just as quick as the guy running the 15 dollar all included oil special at pepgirls.

[Apexxx]

I run the big mann for peace of mind. I think it is really the act of changing it that keeps your car alive longer. I can run a better filter for stupid mileage and f*ck my car up just as quick as the guy running the 15 dollar all included oil special at pepgirls.

"Piece of mind", wow that carries a lot of weight on a technical forum.

Ever cut open any of your "Big Man" filters to see how much filtering is actually taking place? That might actually give you a clue what's going on withthe filters that you care so deeply about.

Somehow, inside your head, a bunch of futile calculations are going on about how much your filter cost and how a cheap filter will kill your car...it's hilarious to hear you tell the story.

What a joke. Do you know who makes PepBoys filters? Do you even know anything about filtration or the industry? Waste of time to ask, because you already announced that you do not.

Here's you starting point, filters work better and better over their service life.

Guess what too, billions of cars travel trillions of miles on cheap oil filters...but you need your "piece of mind"

[05mkIVeuro4life]

Yeah peace of mind, and I really wasnt talking to you. What do you work at pepboys and are pissed I used your name wrong. Actually I really think you do work there, look how you take the care to spell PepBoys out..... Haha LOL You actually sound like one of those wannabe badass counter*****s at pepirls who is stating things off of a fram box and telling me about the "industry"
Filters do improve over mileage until they are clogged So good job buddy for stating something Ive known since I could walk. Bet youve never changed a frantz filter and seen a TP roll inside...
but im sure you Knew that tooo MR Industry Badass.
I dont run API cert oil, its always amsoil for all my cars. But you already knew that mr badass industry worker I bet next you where going to tell me that you need a fram xg with mesh screening to stop the MASSIVE SHARDS of metal that float around motors, on sale with oil for only Blah Blah Blah ... Go to work at pepgirls if you want to spout some stupid rhetoric. I have held spun bearings in my hands after taking a motor apart i seriously doubt you can say the same...

[Apexxx]

"peace of mind", lol.

[Anony00GT]

"peace of mind", lol.

What exactly do you do for a living?

[Apexxx]

What exactly do you do for a living?

ur mom!

[gmikel]

[QUOTE=Apexxx;77509399]ur mom![/QU
should be enough to say good bye

[Anony00GT]

ur mom!

Why do I think that 05mkIVeuro4life is more accurate than you'd like to admit?

[05mkIVeuro4life]

Why start such a massive attack on somebodys knowledge and follow it up with LOL? Im not looking for a fight, just showing you a offhand comment in a technical forum is not a basis to judge somebodys knowledge. And everybody has the potential to become knowledgable so attacking fellow community members and saying things that start with "Somehow, inside your head, a bunch of futile calculations are going on..." Is a really good oppurtunity to eat humble pie with a side of crow.

[Anony00GT]

Why start such a massive attack on somebodys knowledge and follow it up with LOL? Im not looking for a fight, just showing you a offhand comment in a technical forum is not a basis to judge somebodys knowledge. And everybody has the potential to become knowledgable so attacking fellow community members and saying things that start with "Somehow, inside your head, a bunch of futile calculations are going on..." Is a really good oppurtunity to eat humble pie with a side of crow.

He's great at pulling charts and calculations and formulas out of his you-know-what. But apparently when asked to verify his credentials and give himself some real credibility, his response is the same "yo mamma" joke that we used back in 3rd grade. What does that tell you?

He reminds me of a movie character from the past:

[Apexxx]

"peace of mind", lol.

True "piece of mind" comes from not simply "knowing" the subject, but also from understanding it.

[87vr6]

To add something remotely useful to this thread, I used the bigger passat 1.8t filters on my DD 2000 jetta with mobil 1 0w40 for over 100k in 4.5 years (135k total on vehicle) and when that car was totalled in a flood, the motor was tight and flawless... Perfect boost, idle, I should have bought the car back for that motor... Now I still use the bigger filters on my 20th (for 40k now)

[05mkIVeuro4life]

Thats what you come up with... Should have left it at LOL.

Seriously Im done with this I will never speak to you again. Just dont jump down anybody under a thousand post, throat for some stupid sh*t. Even though your words leave on an ethernet cable they still mean something. What if this was the first tech thread I posted on. Your need to prove your pair bigger could stop a potential vortex member from ever logging on again. and that is where i boo you sir.
This entire commmunity stilll has valid questions and your trolling is literally counterproductive to everything this site stands for.


Maybe just F**k OFF NOW.

[Apexxx]

Maybe if you had a clue, things would go better for you here.

[gmikel]

Maybe if you had a clue, things would go better for you here.

before you start slushies. i mean how many jobs allow you to post in the middle of the night and lunch time? i'm sure a quick survay of your post would show your days off as well.

[05mkIVeuro4life]

Better for me??? Haha Your comebacks should be framed in the internet hall of fame "LAMEST THINGS TO SAY IN A FORUM WHILST TALKING SHAT"