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    Thread: Why you shouldn't go 10,000 miles between oil changes.

    1. Member Mk2Reverie's Avatar
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      03-28-2012 04:00 PM #1
      I work for an independent repair facility and we had an 04 Touareg in with an intermittent oil light concern. We verified low oil pressure and diagnosed a defective/clogged oil pump or pick up. Here is what we found -



      The oil pans have approximately 1/2 inch of sludge in them and the pick up is mostly clogged. The customer admitted to only doing oil changes every 10k (which i believe is a factory interval as well). To avoid this happening to yours please change your oil on a 5k interval - even if you use fully synthetic. *Keep in mind this job requires the removal of the engine which will run you upwards of $2000.00 which could be put towards quite a few oil changes

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      03-28-2012 04:53 PM #2
      Wow. Good thing I don't go over 5k for my oil changes. That's pretty scary.

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      03-28-2012 05:03 PM #3
      Does the customer have proof that he even changed the oil at 10k and used synthetic oil?

      There are lots of Touaregs and other vehicles out there doing 10k service with synthetic oil. If the oil really wasn't good enough for 10k, then you would see lots more issues than the relative few that you do actually see.

      I would bet that the customer can't produce receipts for proper 10k oil changes with synthetic and that is why they have the issue now.

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      03-28-2012 05:18 PM #4
      I am with Spockat, I would bet he went way beyond 10K and more then likely was not using synthetic as well. There have not been issues reported at all like this on Club Touareg and trust me if it is an issue it would have been posted there. First I have heard of this issue.

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      03-28-2012 05:21 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Does the customer have proof that he even changed the oil at 10k and used synthetic oil?

      There are lots of Touaregs and other vehicles out there doing 10k service with synthetic oil. If the oil really wasn't good enough for 10k, then you would see lots more issues than the relative few that you do actually see.

      I would bet that the customer can't produce receipts for proper 10k oil changes with synthetic and that is why they have the issue now.
      I have no history of the oil changes on file - I can only go by what he has told me. I believe he was doing his own oil changes. As for my cars... 5K is the max I'll go between oil change services (regardless of manufacturer claims) - its cheap insurance.

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      03-28-2012 05:51 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Mk2Reverie View Post
      I have no history of the oil changes on file - I can only go by what he has told me. I believe he was doing his own oil changes. As for my cars... 5K is the max I'll go between oil change services (regardless of manufacturer claims) - its cheap insurance.
      Why go 5k? Why not 3k or 1k? Cheap insurance, isn't it?

      BMW oil service interval is 15k on 1999 and beyond. Don't you think that there would be hundreds of thousands of BMWs in junk yards if the oil couldn't last that long?

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      03-28-2012 06:00 PM #7
      LOL - OK, you can follow your 10-15K service interval - it's your dime.

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      03-28-2012 06:08 PM #8
      I call that the guy changed his oil every 10k. Would have heard it on clubtouareg like others have said...my Audi has been changed every 10k for the last 5 yrs and I guarantee that the engine is just fine. Maybe some carbon buildup, but nothing like that

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      03-28-2012 07:17 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Mk2Reverie View Post
      LOL - OK, you can follow your 10-15K service interval - it's your dime.
      You are basing your comment off of one customers car which does not appear to have a very well known service history. So it is a little hard for those of use who are long term owners of Touaregs to buy this based on your one time experience with a sketchy at best service history of your customers Touareg. If it was an issue there would be a lot more complaints on here and Club Touareg of this. Nothing to do date and I have been a member on CT for a long while. You read about more complaints on forums then you do good things.

    10. 03-28-2012 08:43 PM #10
      Do we know if it was a VW certified oil? Marty

      Some time ago there were some sludgeing problems with VW 's not the Touareg ,the oil quality was updated.
      Last edited by depiry; 03-28-2012 at 08:47 PM.

    11. 03-29-2012 08:09 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Mk2Reverie View Post
      I work for an independent repair facility and we had an 04 Touareg in with an intermittent oil light concern. Sent from my MB855 using Tapatalk
      So you found a problem w/an 8 year old vehicle of undetermined mileage w/no verifiable service history, and from that you deduce that the issue is 10,000 mile/one year interval oil changes?

      Seriously?

      Since you're obviously possesed of extra sensory perception, let me know the winning #s for the lottery - I'll split it w/you, ok?

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      03-29-2012 08:41 AM #12
      Used to work in a VW service department. 1.8T with 50,000 on the clock came in on the hook - bad turbo - no start. Tech took the valve cover off and it looked like the shots you showed. The owner said she never changed the oil - she'd drive till the light came on, take it to closest oil change place and have them add oil but not change it.
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      03-29-2012 05:45 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by hi_racing View Post
      Used to work in a VW service department. 1.8T with 50,000 on the clock came in on the hook - bad turbo - no start. Tech took the valve cover off and it looked like the shots you showed. The owner said she never changed the oil - she'd drive till the light came on, take it to closest oil change place and have them add oil but not change it.
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      03-31-2012 03:14 PM #14
      I bet you're right! Hahahaha

      Man, the stories I hear here at the dealership.

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      03-31-2012 05:57 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      There are lots of Touaregs and other vehicles out there doing 10k service with synthetic oil. If the oil really wasn't good enough for 10k, then you would see lots more issues than the relative few that you do actually see..
      Agreed. I did 10k changes on my Audi A6 and went to 120k when I sold it with zero problems. My Audi Q7 4.2 currently has 146k on it with 10k intervals. Our Porsche Cayenne 70k with 10k intervals. My fathers MB E350 95k with 10k intervals. No problems.

      Something else was up there...

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      03-31-2012 06:19 PM #16
      Doesn't look like he used synthetic, and 10k is twice as long as anyone should go between oil changes; synthetic or not.

    17. 05-02-2012 01:39 PM #17
      Fully agree with above, something else was wrong in this pic. Looks like they skipped a couple of oil changes.

      One thing worth mentioning, I did an oil analysis on my 11 TReg TDI (5k miles) and the oil was not in great shape so I decided to change it myself. Up to you guys what you do with your cars, I plan on keeping mine for a long time so an extra oil change does not sound too terrible.
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      05-02-2012 01:54 PM #18
      Is that kind of thing possible if the car is only ever driven on short trips, never really gets up to full operating temperature, combined with a 10K oil change interval and possibly not using VW-approved oil? Anyway the service tech's info is based on what the owner told him and the results of the teardown. It's not up to him to force the owner to give a sworn deposition as to how the car has been driven & maintained. Just sayin'.

      Lots of firmly-held contradictory opinions every time the 10K interval is discussed!
      Last edited by Eugene-Dave-1; 05-02-2012 at 02:09 PM. Reason: clarity

    19. 05-02-2012 03:48 PM #19
      I've hunches: that the 10k estimate was a tad optimistic, that non synth oil was used, and that the oil level was low for the second half of every change interval.

      My V8 needs a qt about every 5k miles. I either change the oil then or add some oil and change when I'm in the mood, sometime before 10k.

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      05-03-2012 08:37 PM #20
      This looks more like 50K mile NON synthetic oil. I have seen similar case when Buick's motor seized and when they opened it up the oil pan look just like this one. Turned out that the guy didn't change his oil for 50-60K miles The worst part was he didn't even know he should have
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      05-03-2012 10:46 PM #21
      True story, my boss is a college educated white collar professional, very smart. But not about cars! He drives a 2007 Chevy Tahoe. We were talking last week and he was about to leave on a driving vacation, casually mentioned that the Tahoe's "Low Oil Level!" light keeps coming on but since he still has "10% Oil Life Remaining" he's not worried. I was like, whoa, DO NOT disregard that low oil level warning! He was unconcerned, said he might look into it when he reaches his destination (150 miles away). I was unable to convince him of the potential damage that might occur.

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      05-04-2012 12:44 AM #22
      I might have you beat! LOL

      Lady said it was 15k miles since her last oil change. Engine was running really rough, complained of an oil light and upper end clatter.




      I offered her 5k for it as is cause it had 100k on it. I would have just swapped in a new VR6 for pretty cheap. She didn't take my offer. lol
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      05-04-2012 11:49 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Boosted2003! View Post
      I might you beat! LOL

      Lady said it was 15k miles since her last oil change. Engine was running really rough, complained of an oil light and upper end clatter.




      I offered her 5k for it as is cause it had 100k on it. I would have just swapped in a new VR6 for pretty cheap. She didn't take my offer. lol
      Holy crap! I think you misheard her. She must have said 50K since the last oil change, not 15K. lol.

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      05-04-2012 04:36 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by hi_racing View Post
      Used to work in a VW service department. 1.8T with 50,000 on the clock came in on the hook - bad turbo - no start. Tech took the valve cover off and it looked like the shots you showed. The owner said she never changed the oil - she'd drive till the light came on, take it to closest oil change place and have them add oil but not change it.
      There was a guy at the VW dealership local to me that a guy brought an 09 CC 2.0t with a rod hanging out the block at 40k. Come to find out the guy never had the oil changed. He can't use the excuse that it was to expensive. LOL

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      05-05-2012 05:01 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Eugene-Dave-1 View Post
      True story, my boss is a college educated white collar professional, very smart. But not about cars! He drives a 2007 Chevy Tahoe.

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