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      05-02-2012 01:14 PM #126
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Nah, it's still an econobox. Certainly it can kick ass and take names, but it's still a tarted-up econobox. This is not to say that tarts can't be really, really delicious, though.
      In my explanation I forgot to sum it up, bu I meant that the Cobalt SS is still an econo box, but it is great at something. Where the GTI is also an econo box that is great at nothing with the best thing going for it is the interior.

      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      So you disagree with me then prove my point on it still being an econobox with a nice interior....
      Perhaps I misspoke, but I always maintain that the GTI is an econo box with a nice interior. Nothing great, but some good.
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      05-02-2012 01:15 PM #127
      Quote Originally Posted by kraut_pauer79 View Post
      Your MKIV that is inferior to the MK VII in performance, power to weight ratio, fuel economy, safety, creature comforts, passenger space, and driving experience? Good for you bud!
      Plus the 4th generation is one of the most unreliable platforms to date.
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      05-02-2012 01:22 PM #128
      Quote Originally Posted by Ben.Reilly View Post
      Perhaps I misspoke, but I always maintain that the GTI is an econo box with a nice interior. Nothing great, but some good.
      That's the way I look at mine, and not in a derogatory manner. It is what it is.

      I will say that if this new one is finally getting the valve lift motor, it will be perfectly fine for a stock performance experience...regardless of what the actual HP rating is quoted at for the public.

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      05-02-2012 01:42 PM #129
      Quote Originally Posted by Mosbius Designs View Post
      That's the way I look at mine, and not in a derogatory manner. It is what it is.

      I will say that if this new one is finally getting the valve lift motor, it will be perfectly fine for a stock performance experience...regardless of what the actual HP rating is quoted at for the public.
      Oh noez ... VW is putting in VTAK ... what will the Honda haters do now?

      /And yes, I'm fully aware that nearly every new car these days implements a version of variable valve lift and duration ... I just laugh at the people who make fun of VTEC being a child's toy when, in reality, it revolutionized the way people designed engines.

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      05-02-2012 01:49 PM #130
      Quote Originally Posted by Ben.Reilly View Post
      In my explanation I forgot to sum it up, bu I meant that the Cobalt SS is still an econo box, but it is great at something. Where the GTI is also an econo box that is great at nothing with the best thing going for it is the interior.

      Perhaps I misspoke, but I always maintain that the GTI is an econo box with a nice interior. Nothing great, but some good.
      Isn't that what this class of cars is supposed to be? Cheap performance? When did the GTI/Cobalt SS/pocket rockets get elevated to high-performance standards? It's always been my understanding they are a better performing version of an existing car allowing buyers to have a better driving experience at a low price while still allowing utility while remaining a fully functioning daily driver.

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      05-02-2012 01:55 PM #131
      Quote Originally Posted by silverspeedbuggy View Post
      Isn't that what this class of cars is supposed to be? Cheap performance? When did the GTI/Cobalt SS/pocket rockets get elevated to high-performance standards? It's always been my understanding they are a better performing version of an existing car allowing buyers to have a better driving experience at a low price while still allowing utility while remaining a fully functioning daily driver.
      Totally agree But like I said, the GTI is falling too far behind in the performance category.
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      05-02-2012 02:05 PM #132
      Quote Originally Posted by Ben.Reilly View Post
      Totally agree But like I said, the GTI is falling too far behind in the performance category.
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      Performance may not be really any worse than any of these so I don't see why the GTI needs to be the hp leader. This is as silly as Swallow D and his insistance on boasting everytime Honda gets trumped by Hyundai as if Honda must be the segment leader in all sorts of metrics.
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      05-02-2012 02:10 PM #133
      Quote Originally Posted by Double-V View Post
      From C/D:

      0-60 mph - 6.1 secs
      1/4 mile - 14.7 secs @ 96 mph

      What "many" ultra heavy SUVs outperform it in a straight line?
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      05-02-2012 02:16 PM #134
      Quote Originally Posted by Ben.Reilly View Post
      Totally agree But like I said, the GTI is falling too far behind in the performance category.
      Well from the rumors circulating the MKVII should make quite the leap in terms of performance. The lighter weight, improved handling, and even slight power bump will help greatly. While I see your point about not being the best at any one thing (compared to its rivals) I disagree this is something to fault VW for. The buff books and auto journos constantly heap praise on the GTI that it is the best all-rounder. Does it excel at any one thing? Not exactly, but it does almost everything really really well. While a competitor may have a faster 0 - 60 time, it might have a coarse or peaky engine. Does another competitor handle better? It may suffer from a punishing ride. I think it's far more difficult for an automaker to get an economy car to perform very well in all areas vs. being good at one thing while other areas are missed.

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      05-02-2012 02:17 PM #135
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
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      Performance may not be really any worse than any of these so I don't see why the GTI needs to be the hp leader. This is as silly as Swallow D and his insistance on boasting everytime Honda gets trumped by Hyundai as if Honda must be the segment leader in all sorts of metrics.
      Why do you guys feed the troll? All he does is show up in GTI threads and prattle on about horsepower. Ignore him.
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      05-02-2012 02:20 PM #136
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      Are these official pics? If so, meh. I think the mk6 looks better than this. Plus I'd rather have a revolutionary design than evolutionary.
      Those are renderings. It looks like they came from different sources yet look strikingly similar so I'd guess they're pretty close to the real thing.

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      05-02-2012 02:22 PM #137
      Quote Originally Posted by Ben.Reilly View Post
      In my explanation I forgot to sum it up, bu I meant that the Cobalt SS is still an econo box, but it is great at something. Where the GTI is also an econo box that is great at nothing with the best thing going for it is the interior.

      Perhaps I misspoke, but I always maintain that the GTI is an econo box with a nice interior. Nothing great, but some good.
      Oh, I think the GTI holds up just fine, but it's strength is it's balance in performance and day-to-day use. It's good at a great many things without being the best-in-class at any particular one (with the possible exception of the aforementioned interior). There's nothing wrong with either philosophy, though, that's for sure.
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      05-02-2012 02:35 PM #138
      Quote Originally Posted by Ben.Reilly View Post
      Totally agree But like I said, the GTI is falling too far behind in the performance category.
      I guess this is what you are referring to...

      http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...nce-benchmark/

      Baruth is a prick, but it was a funny read...

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      05-02-2012 02:40 PM #139
      Quote Originally Posted by RacingManiac View Post
      I guess this is what you are referring to...

      http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...nce-benchmark/

      Baruth is a prick, but it was a funny read...
      This same guy picked a MK6 GLI over a GTI and Golf R.

      He has no integrity in my book.

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      05-02-2012 02:46 PM #140
      Quote Originally Posted by Slipstream View Post
      Why do you guys feed the troll? All he does is show up in GTI threads and prattle on about horsepower. Ignore him.
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      05-02-2012 02:47 PM #141
      Quote Originally Posted by Slipstream View Post
      Why do you guys feed the troll? All he does is show up in GTI threads and prattle on about horsepower. Ignore him.
      I hope you are not referring to me... I have agreed with many counter arguments in this thread and even changed my original response. I think you are being a tad quick on the judgment trigger.

      I am sorry that not everyone loves the GTI.
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      05-02-2012 02:50 PM #142
      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz27 View Post
      ?
      C/D:

      0-60 mph - 6.3 secs
      1/4 mile - 14.9 secs @ 94 mph

      So not faster than the GTI, and most assuredly not heavy for an SUV, although it is faster than anything else Toyota sells.

      So where are the "many" SUVs that are faster???
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      05-02-2012 02:51 PM #143
      Quote Originally Posted by Ben.Reilly View Post
      I hope you are not referring to me... I have agreed with many counter arguments in this thread and even changed my original response. I think you are being a tad quick on the judgment trigger.

      I am sorry that not everyone loves the GTI.
      I don't think he meant you, but I could be wrong. As you say, we're all entitled to our own opinions, especially on our own preferences for various car's strengths and weaknesses.
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      05-02-2012 02:54 PM #144
      Quote Originally Posted by XM_Rocks View Post
      This same guy picked a MK6 GLI over a GTI and Golf R.

      He has no integrity in my book.
      No argument there, but the story about the Camry is no less amusing...and sorta illustrate the issue of the definition of what "fast" is these days...

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      05-02-2012 02:54 PM #145
      Quote Originally Posted by Double-V View Post
      0-60 mph - 6.3 secs
      1/4 mile - 14.9 secs @ 94 mph

      So not faster than the GTI, and most assuredly not heavy for an SUV, although it is faster than anything else Toyota sells.

      So where are the "many" SUVs that are faster???
      That's all well and good, but in the real world if he gets a jump on you (even a little bit) you're screwed if you want to beat him to the light and you look like an idiot for trying (and especially for trying and losing) in your "performance car".
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      05-02-2012 02:54 PM #146
      I bet the next GTI will look like this front...


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      05-02-2012 02:57 PM #147
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      That's all well and good, but in the real world if he gets a jump on you (even a little bit) you're screwed if you want to beat him to the light and you look like an idiot for trying (and especially for trying and losing) in your "performance car".
      Would you look like any more or less of an idiot doing the same in a Miata, Subaru BR-Z, or C4 Corvette for that matter?
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      05-02-2012 03:07 PM #148
      Quote Originally Posted by Double-V View Post
      Would you look like any more or less of an idiot doing the same in a Miata, Subaru BR-Z, or C4 Corvette for that matter?
      Well, the 'Vette certainly wouldn't lose (unless it's a much older one), but yeah, your point is valid. Those cars' strengths aren't brute power either, though. (Not that all cars need that of course, as I've noted in this very thread.)
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    24. 05-02-2012 03:09 PM #149
      Quote Originally Posted by Klim18 View Post
      Looks boring, pretty much like the mk6.
      which looks like the mark 5. VW can't do anything more with this shape. And they won't abandon the breadvan look.
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      [QUOTE=Hawk;76635164]Yawn. Looks like a squashed mini van.

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