Official 2012 Formula 1 UBS Chinese Grand Prix

[wiredvw]

Last I checked, Brawn wasn't a car designer; why is he getting the credit for the system? That's like saying Horner developed RBR's diffuser and wing setup last year.

Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Brawn

Do you really think that Newey is the ONLY guy at RBR that has innovative ideas??? I don't hear them singing the praises of anyone other than him.

[nickthaskater]

Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Brawn

Do you really think that Newey is the ONLY guy at RBR that has innovative ideas??? I don't hear them singing the praises of anyone other than him.

I appreciate Ross's background, but his job is Principal now, not Tech. Director or Aerodynamicist.

Please read: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loïc_Bigois

Brawn GP subsequently won both the Drivers' and Constructors' championships, leading to Bigois being awarded the Dino Toso Racecar Aerodynamicist of the Year Award

[wiredvw]

I appreciate Ross's background, but his job is Principal now, not Tech. Director or Aerodynamicist.

Please read: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loïc_Bigois

Your original statement:

Last I checked, Brawn wasn't a car designer; why is he getting the credit for the system? That's like saying Horner developed RBR's diffuser and wing setup last year.

implied that Brawn has no or very little knowledge of the technical portion of an F1 car. That is why I posted his bio. I don't think I implied that Brawn is the only brains at Mercedes either (or Benneton, Ferrari or Brawn GP). Being the Team Principle (with a HEAVY background in technical aspects of an F1 car), I assume that he writes off on many if not all critical design decisions and I bet this new F-duct he personally green lighted given the controversial nature of the device. No, Ross Brawn isn't back in the design room modeling car parts or running the CFD supercomputer. He's a concept guy like Newey and has one hell of an eye for strategy amongst his other talents.

[nickthaskater]

You're right; my original statement was poorly worded as it was intended to refer to the present tense. "...isn't the car designer" is what was meant.

[8v_gti777]

Cool video on the W-duct

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thRGWxkEpg0

[Kidstar]

I wouldn't say he has out thought Newey. Adrian still has a better car.

Brawn has proven to be good at finding innovative solutions that stretch the spirit of the rules, but still stick to the letter. And he's got the balls to implement it. He's the lawyer of the rulebook

On this innovation he did... similar to dd.... No one thought it up...he did... Build it...showed some benefit and MBGP's gusto.

How did what I opined earlier suggest he has a built a "better car"? Nonetheless...why would their be protest if this said innovation was NOT beneficial, from even a "better car building/engineering" team? Neither team (RBR or MBGP) has perform of certain terms, compared to their relative development...and I'd dare say that RBR are more on their heels than the fancore would admit. Those "big brains" thought they'd run away with it, and the platypus nose concept, and oops...maybe they skimped on other areas...

[Kidstar]

You're right; my original statement was poorly worded as it was intended to refer to the present tense. "...isn't the car designer" is what was meant.

Maybe you should stop then, cause every darn thing you're always on the polar opposite....just to be...

You are single handedly transforming this forum into an insufferable heap.

[kptaylor]

Can we have a dry race?

[wiredvw]

On this innovation he did... similar to dd.... No one thought it up...he did... Build it...showed some benefit and MBGP's gusto.

How did what I opined earlier suggest he has a built a "better car"? Nonetheless...why would their be protest if this said innovation was NOT beneficial, from even a "better car building/engineering" team? Neither team (RBR or MBGP) has perform of certain terms, compared to their relative development...and I'd dare say that RBR are more on their heels than the fancore would admit. Those "big brains" thought they'd run away with it, and the platypus nose concept, and oops...maybe they skimped on other areas...

I think your right about RBR. They seem to be unable to tweak the car to match McLaren. However, it's always about how teams react when they get back to Europe because not many big updates make it to the first fly away races.

I thought Brawn brought the DD to the attention of the Technical Working Group prior to the season saying that the diffuser area could be exploited. He got shot down because they all had the same interpretation of the rules and he didn't. Either way, Brawn took the risk and it panned out for him. I wish we could see at the end of a season what ideas were propositioned to the FIA from each team. What got approved or rejected.

[nickthaskater]

I think your right about RBR. They seem to be unable to tweak the car to match McLaren. However, it's always about how teams react when they get back to Europe because not many big updates make it to the first fly away races.

I thought Brawn brought the DD to the attention of the Technical Working Group prior to the season saying that the diffuser area could be exploited. He got shot down because they all had the same interpretation of the rules and he didn't. Either way, Brawn took the risk and it panned out for him. I wish we could see at the end of a season what ideas were propositioned to the FIA from each team. What got approved or rejected.

That would be awesome I can only imagine some of the "out-there" ideas that teams try and get onto the cars only to have them shot down before leaving the drawing board.

[Kidstar]

I think your right about RBR. They seem to be unable to tweak the car to match McLaren. However, it's always about how teams react when they get back to Europe because not many big updates make it to the first fly away races.

I thought Brawn brought the DD to the attention of the Technical Working Group prior to the season saying that the diffuser area could be exploited. He got shot down because they all had the same interpretation of the rules and he didn't. Either way, Brawn took the risk and it panned out for him. I wish we could see at the end of a season what ideas were propositioned to the FIA from each team. What got approved or rejected.

Indeed.... Good convo...

RBR, seems to be more stuck in the completeness of their sled, than looking exploit areas for added perfromance. They do all that within the build/development window, once the final spec is drafted, they are off to the races...cause they try to come out the box with a superior product. Having obvserved their in season reaction pace, it leads me (IMHO), they are rigid, and resistive, per the "big brained" approach of Newey. He's genius, but he's also a totalitarian...

You were right earlier to suggest that heleaves little room for dev. And to the point, when was the last time they had to do in season dev....complacency is a biatch!

[capsaicin]

On this innovation he did... similar to dd.... No one thought it up...he did... Build it...showed some benefit and MBGP's gusto.

How did what I opined earlier suggest he has a built a "better car"? Nonetheless...why would their be protest if this said innovation was NOT beneficial, from even a "better car building/engineering" team? Neither team (RBR or MBGP) has perform of certain terms, compared to their relative development...and I'd dare say that RBR are more on their heels than the fancore would admit. Those "big brains" thought they'd run away with it, and the platypus nose concept, and oops...maybe they skimped on other areas...

True, their duct is a step ahead of everyone else. But if we're giving credit where it's due RBR is still ahead. The silver arrow is gaining ground this year, but they're still playing catch up to a drinks company.

Will be very interested to see what upgrades the teams bring to the races soon.

[Kidstar]

True, their duct is a step ahead of everyone else.

From what i understand, its only them...so they are the lead.

But if we're giving credit where it's due RBR is still ahead. The silver arrow is gaining ground this year, but they're still playing catch up to a drinks company.

I dont know for what exactly... THe RBR car doesn't seem as special as the previous years... Not mention Vettel is shaken....for Macca's sake I hop ehe gets stirred too and start spouting off again...

The euro sessions are gonna be nutz...

[capsaicin]

I dont know for what exactly... THe RBR car doesn't seem as special as the previous years... Not mention Vettel is shaken....for Macca's sake I hop ehe gets stirred too and start spouting off again...

The euro sessions are gonna be nutz...

More than the technical differences this year, I think Seb being pinned as the whiner and NOT Hamilton is the biggest surprise

[nickthaskater]

More than the technical differences this year, I think Seb being pinned as the whiner and NOT Hamilton is the biggest surprise

Give it time, Hamilton will be back to his usual self once Felipe finds him

[capsaicin]

Give it time, Hamilton will be back to his usual self once Felipe finds him

Ham has done his share of pouting already about falling behind from his grid position. It won't take much to set him off. Felipe will be lucky to find points this season and a job next.

Scuderia radio: "felipe, perez is faster. do you copy?"

[nickthaskater]

Ham has done his share of pouting already about falling behind from his grid position. It won't take much to set him off. Felipe will be lucky to find points this season and a job next.

Scuderia radio: "felipe, perez is faster. do you copy?"

Felipe could always pull a cucumber on Hamilton... That didn't sound right

[kfzmeister]

Cool video on the W-duct

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thRGWxkEpg0

This is actually what they thought Mercedes was using until they found out about the hole in the rear wing that opened when DRS is activated.

[kfzmeister]

More than the technical differences this year, I think Seb being pinned as the whiner and NOT Hamilton is the biggest surprise

Let's see what happens when the Macca bois fight for it towards the end of the season!

[kfzmeister]

Ouch Vettel!
Who's he gonna call a gherkin now???

[kfzmeister]

Holy smokes!!
Rosberg pole and Schumacher second!!!
Kobes in P3??????

[nickthaskater]

Super stoked on Michael on the front row

Can't wait to see how this one pans out...

[roccostud]

Way to go Rosberg! Qualifying its almost more exciting than the race itself.

[Baby Schu]

Nice, really happy to see Mercedes 1-2, hopefully one of them can translate this into something tonight.

[8v_gti777]

Better W duct video

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/videos/20...f-duct-system/

[Binary Star]

hell yeah ... awesome awesome job by both of the Mercs. Can't believe Rosberg was half of second clear anyone else! Such a tight field behind him though. Looking forward to the race tomorrow.

[dubsix]

Wicked drive by Rosberg. Great stuff from the Saubers and lol Vettel. Gonna be a scrapper of a race, can't wait.

[kfzmeister]

lol Vettel

Have we coined a new phrase??

Alonso's gonna have his lunch tomorrow!! Buahahahahahaaaaaa......

[Mk1Racer]

Yeah, should be interesting. Webber was fastest in Q2, but couldn't capitalize/improve on it.

Webber, Button, Perez, and Alonso all backed up from Q2 (Webber, Perez, and Alonso, by a LOT!). Nico found some serious speed in Q3. Is this the first time Vettel has failed to make it through to Q3 since he's been in a RBR? Hard to believe he's not talking to himself inside his helmet.

[kfzmeister]

Hard to believe he's not talking to himself inside his helmet.

"No, That's NOT what i'm talking about!"

[Kidstar]

Geez...this race is sick! Kimi!! Woah! That little dance with Webber was scary...

[Kidstar]

lolVettel... lolMS...

[Peloton25]

Insert yet another 'Wings' joke.



>8^)
ER

[Kidstar]

Insert yet another 'Wings' joke.



>8^)
ER

LOLS!!

[kfzmeister]

Man, that was some massive air!!!

Congrats to The Rosberg on his first win. Too bad about Schumacher. Would have been nice to see where he might have fit in. Podium???

WTF happened to Kimi. Was that bad strategy? Grosjean placed well!

Good on Vettel for placing well. Cool to see him lose three places in the last couple of laps.

Ferrari are sooo slow.