One thing to keep in mind is resale value. I am looking for a used Jetta right now for my daughter to drive and would love a TDI. I can't find any around here and when I do, they are around $5,000 more than the 2.5 for a 2007 or so. So all this math about insurance and higher purchase price and higher fuel costs gets put back in perspective when you sell the car later on. Jetta TDI's are a gold mine here in Utah right now, if you can find one.
So the TDI can be an investment that gets you more value later on, not that a car is a good investment. Just my .02.
2006 VW Jetta 2.5 (son)
2007 VW Jetta 2.5 (daughter)
2010 BMW X5 (wife)
2012 VW Touareg
Given the higher TDI mpg, a typical TDI owner drives more annual miles compared with a 2.5 owner. Many TDI posters on this forum claim 2-3k miles per month. So the TDI fleet should on average have 2-3 times more miles put on it each year than the 2.5 fleet.
Thus that rare TDI with the same miles as the 2.5 (a statistical outlier) would cost a lot more to buy used. A used car buyer probably wouldn't compare a TDI with double or triple the miles to a much lower mileage 2.5, they'd compare cars with comparable miles.
Note according to Edmunds (I couldn't find that the TDI Jetta existed between 05 and 08 MY), a 2005 Jetta GLS with 84k miles is 7,214 private party, while a 05 GLS TDI with similar trim and 168k miles is 8,968
If memory is serving me correct, the TDi jetta existed in 05.5 and 06, but was discontinued for 07-08 and started again in 09-10. There was a gap because of emissions requirements and the development of the new 2.0 TDi. The new engine also makes 40 more horsepower than the outgoing diesel, which has really been what makes it the high volume seller...previously you were trading some significant ponies for the diesel, but making up for it with torque. Now you're down 30 horsepower from the 5 cylinder, and still have gobs of hill climbing ability.
So I just quoted a 2012 Passat SEL vs. my 2012 Passat SEL TDI. I'm 35-40, no tickets, perfect credit. The difference came to $4.72 a month. That to me seems to be the difference in the value of the insured vehicles not a disparity in risk associated with engine choice.
Didnt know what to do
Brand new car esp the TDI will have issues in its 1st year
check this out for best comparison
yes the cost diff eventually becomes a wash since the TDI will be more for maint but less for gas
I5 will be less for main but more for gas
the I5 depreciates less than the TDI as well
I-5 SEL Premium cost to own:
Fuel costs 5 yrs: $12,455
Maintenance Costs 5 yrs: $3,595
Repairs Cost 5 yrs: $983
TDI SEL Premium cost to own:
Fuel Costs 5 yrs : $10,020
Maintenance Costs 5 yr: $3,214
Repairs Cost 5 yrs: $1,298 <---
Also more stations carry regular over diesel
also the diesel is a heavier car than the I5 meaning worse gas mileage to carry more weight and slower as well
I think I will go for the I5
Still better than my previous B5.5 which took premium gas only
Wish they made a CC with 2012 looks and 2013 5 seats and xenon lights but TDI engine instead of premium gas guzzler
Last edited by salsaguy; 04-21-2012 at 05:11 AM. Reason: added info
For me the TDI is the only reason I bought a VW.
The scientists may have a point (oh, and the organization is well known to be extremely left leaning, and since you can manipulate numbers to prove virtually any point you want to make.... well.... we should all perhaps draw our own conclusions)(which also applies to this whole silly mileage argument in progress here by the way), and it may be that diesel is more expensive to refine, but not only would that change with more capacity, you also can't tell me that the extra 20% needed to refine diesel isn't used in some other capacity. I'm quite sure nothing goes to waste.
It would seem that the bottom line is that the diesel may cost more upfront, but the more you drive, the more you save. And you'll recoup much of the higher initial cost in resale. We have always lived in a bubble of low fuel costs here (the US). That's changing slightly, in large part due to the government's reluctance to allow exploration and to embrace new technology, plus some overly aggressive environmental concerns (thanks again in large part to the empty suit in the White House and his elitist cronies). There's a reason why 50% of the market in Europe (for instance) is diesel. We'll never see anything like that here, but I do think we'll see the market grow with the availability of more diesel powered cars.
"If stupid got us into this mess, how come it can't get us out?"
Since when does insurance cover "engine related failures"? I think I would find someone else to talk to about insurance as whoever told you that not only lied to you but also disrespected your intelligence by using such a poor and easily refuted lie.
Or you could just send the lady with the Xterra to get insurance from them.
If it makes you feel better...210,000 miles on a new beetle tdi. Consistent 40.5 mpg with auto. Switched to the 100,000 timing belt (they fit on the old tdi). $300.00 every 100,000 is a bargain.
Regarding the tranny service thing people keep bringing up...you can tell they don't drive one. The fill port for it can be accessed by removing the battery. Can do it yourself quick and cheaply.
You'll love how a tdi drives. Lots of torque.
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This is very true, the TDI SEL is almost impossible to find unless you special order.
I ended up getting my 2012 Passat SEL Premium 2.5L this past Sunday. Very happy
I used the AAA Auto Club car buying option to get the best deal / no haggle (same as CostCo Member deal)