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    Thread: Alignment question- need some help

    1. 04-04-2012 12:29 AM #26
      That tech has been doing alignments for over 20 years. Tell him what you are after and I am sure he will give you the best performance/tire wear. I could be wrong but I doubt anyone here that has given you specs on how your car should be aligned has been doing alignments for that amount of time.

    2. 04-04-2012 01:23 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Cspence View Post
      I've read up so much on alignments and I'm still confused Still trying to figure out what to tell the shop on Friday what I want for specs. Just as some backround on my setup, I have FK Silverline plus X's, Madmax rear control arms upper & lower, and ground control camber plates. So I basically have everything I need have my alignment dialed in to what I want....but what do I want I won't be tracking my car or doing autocrosses, I just enjoy tearing up back roads and want the car to handle like a champ (All while not burning through my expensive rubber)

      Here is where I'm going for my alignment:
      http://jannettyracing.com/performancealignments.shtml

      As of now (Based on all the vortex noise) this is what I'm thinking:
      Front
      As much + Caster as possible
      0 toe to 1/16" total toe out
      -1.5 degrees camber

      Rear
      1/16 total toe in
      -1.3 degrees camber

      To all you suspension gurus, how does this look for my intended use of the car?
      You are right on target Chris!

      I would add that you should get as much front camber as you can and don't limit yourself to -1.5 if you can get more ( you won't get accelerated wear until -2.5+ )

      One more thing is that I wouldn't, for your intended use of the car, goe with toe-out in the front. Just have it dial at zero ( you'll give up a bit of turn-in sharpness but the car will be a good bit more liveable in the streets ).

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    3. 04-04-2012 01:37 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by BobezyR32 View Post
      That tech has been doing alignments for over 20 years. Tell him what you are after and I am sure he will give you the best performance/tire wear. I could be wrong but I doubt anyone here that has given you specs on how your car should be aligned has been doing alignments for that amount of time.
      Not to trying to piss on your theory but the amount of experience doing alignment does not necessarily mean that he will know what will work on this particular platform.

      I have 15+ years under my belt with various platforms that competed in Solo and Pro racing at a national level. I couldn't just guess what alignment settings would work with an unfamiliar platform, unless I did at the very least the camber curving and calculate the motion ratio and wheel rate. And even with that, proper real life testing would be needed to approximate the the range that's work for the intended use. Maybe that tech is a magician but unless he has some experience with the car in question, he is shooting in the dark, just having the car on an alignment rack.

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      04-04-2012 07:26 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Aurelius View Post
      You are right on target Chris!

      I would add that you should get as much front camber as you can and don't limit yourself to -1.5 if you can get more ( you won't get accelerated wear until -2.5+ )

      One more thing is that I wouldn't, for your intended use of the car, goe with toe-out in the front. Just have it dial at zero ( you'll give up a bit of turn-in sharpness but the car will be a good bit more liveable in the streets ).

      ( a friend )
      Whew! So now the million dollar question is, what should I run for camber up front... should I go with -2 degrees? I should have no problem getting that or more with the camber plates, but I just don't want to have it set with more camber than I need (If that makes sense)

      Glad to hear the 0 toe recommendation, that should save my tires a bit

      Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Aurelius View Post
      Not to trying to piss on your theory but the amount of experience doing alignment does not necessarily mean that he will know what will work on this particular platform.
      I have 15+ years under my belt with various platforms that competed in Solo and Pro racing at a national level. I couldn't just guess what alignment settings would work with an unfamiliar platform, unless I did at the very least the camber curving and calculate the motion ratio and wheel rate. And even with that, proper real life testing would be needed to approximate the the range that's work for the intended use. Maybe that tech is a magician but unless he has some experience with the car in question, he is shooting in the dark, just having the car on an alignment rack.
      This was my thought. This alignment guy should be good, but every car is different. It looks like most of their experience is with drag cars and muscle cars, so I'm sure he would know how to set up a Mustang or Camaro, but probably won't know what the ideal settings are for the R / TT chassis.
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      04-04-2012 08:14 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by rajuncajun37 View Post

      Good luck with your alignment, find a real shop to help. Dealerships are clueless and we might be too technical for you.
      I take offense to that ignorant statement, im a dealer tech the alignment i performed on monday on my R are pretty much exactly what has come to be agreed upon as the most ideal setup for track days and street driving.

      However, i know alot of guys i work with were utterly confused by what work i was doing on monday. I guess its all in who has your car, if you speak to a tech for a few minutes you can generally get the idea if he is in the loop or not with what the R32 communitity is normally set out to do

      BTW, excellent info in this thread, and any info on those offset balljoints?
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      04-04-2012 09:32 AM #31
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...R32-Arya/page2

      2nd page i have my track alignment with more or less the same adjustable parts. these are maxed out settings on my car... without getting upper rear control arms. I only have lower.
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    7. 04-04-2012 10:23 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Yak Meat View Post
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...R32-Arya/page2

      2nd page i have my track alignment with more or less the same adjustable parts. these are maxed out settings on my car... without getting upper rear control arms. I only have lower.


      Ben, the only advantage that Chris has on you is that he has the ability to dial in more front static camber compensation via top mounted camber adjusting plates. In Ben's case, I recommend -2.5 of front static camber compensation. That would ideally put him in a sweeter spot through his camber curve dynamically without having too much of an effect on tire wear.

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      04-04-2012 10:29 AM #33
      yeah my camber plates only go to 1.5 degrees... but thats honestly more than enough for me and how hard i can push the car on the street or track.
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    9. 04-04-2012 10:36 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by TheRedMouse View Post
      and any info on those offset balljoints?
      Is that you Christopher?
      If it is, I will send you an email regarding those!

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      04-04-2012 10:54 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Aurelius View Post
      Is that you Christopher?
      If it is, I will send you an email regarding those!
      Yessir do you run those track only?
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    11. 04-04-2012 11:11 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by TheRedMouse View Post
      Yessir do you run those track only?
      Nope , on top of the track abuse, they have beeing seeing potholes, salt, water and snow for 2+ years now!

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      04-04-2012 11:28 AM #37
      Speaking of alignment.. I have a question..not to thread jack but I thought my question could help as he doesn't want to go through tires unreasonably fast just like me.. I have bad tire wear problems in the front where it cups really bad even with "OEM spec" alignment.. I'm lowered now and still have the issue but I've had the problem since I had stock suspension and it ate up my front tires on the insides when there was plenty of tread left on the rest of the tire. now from what ive researched the "stock" alignment settings themselves were even incorrect? I was told by someone who has some experience building and running track cars that our cars most likely toe-out under throttle and to dial it with some slight toe-in? I dont know him that well so I've never really known if thats true or not.. anyone else got tips for obtaining even tire wear up front?

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      04-04-2012 06:25 PM #38
      I like your friends thinking for outside the box. Yes he is right, the static alignment settings do change once the car is in motion. As for a toe stand point, the suspension bushing do allow toe to change.

      Ideally all manufacturers would want 0 toe while traveling down the road. Some cars (manlyRWD) want a static positive value in front. Most FWD cars call for a negative static value for toe. Really depends on what style suspension configuration your car has.

      To answer your cupping question, is it just one tire? Is it both fronts? Are the tires actual choppy on inside edge or just worn? Did you just have them rotated recently? What are your alignment specs?

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      04-06-2012 10:53 PM #39
      Got my alignment today (http://www.jannettyracing.com/perfor...ignments.shtml), final specs below. Not dead nuts what I wanted, but we got it as close as possible given my budget (Could of got it 100% if we spent some more time on it, but my wallet was already throbbing and my eyes were glued on the clock, so I made some sacrafices ). All in all, for being my first performance alignment, I am very happy with the end result. On the ride home, I was amazed at how fast I was going on the highway. It felt like I was going near the speed limit, but in actuality I was no where near it . I've yet to tear up the twisties since I need to still roll my fenders or trim my fender liners to stop the damn rubbing. The guys as Jannetty were nice and very willing to work with me (Especially when it came time to pay...their site used to said $100/hr, so thats what I paid. Its since been promptly changed ). I ended up talking to Tony and lending a hand during the 3 hour process which was nice (Since I could keep an eye on things and learn some stuff....and snap some pics ).

      Front:
      -1.75 Camber
      7.80 Caster
      0 Toe

      Rear:
      -1.25 Camber
      -.12 Toe (-.24 Total Toe)
      0 Thrust Angle

      One thing worth noting, having weight in the car to simulate passengers makes a HUGE difference. We had the rear all buttoned up and then I remembered that I wanted to have weight in the car. We threw (6) sand bags in the drivers seat (well one was on the floor, don't ask me what each one weighed, but it was very close to my weight ). Once weight was in, the passenger side rear camber shot up from -1.25 to just over -1.6 and the drivers side went to -1.4. Obviously the problem won't be as pronounced for you skinny guys, but either way I was amazed at how much it changed.

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      04-14-2012 10:37 PM #40
      Well, after trimming my wheel liners and rolling my fenders, I was finally able to take the car out for a proper ride. I like to think that I'm a "good" driver and one that can tell the difference after mods, but in actuality I'm probably just average and don't pretend to know it all, so everything after this point is purely my opinion . The car handles AWSOME! With the new coil overs, the proper alignment, correct tire pressure, HPA comp controller, and a Unibrace....this thing rips up back roads. Steering response is on point, the rear is tossable (ask my wife ), and it simply instills confidence when driving with speed through twisties. For the longest time I've been longing to rid my car of understeer and being able to toss the rear out. Tonight I pushed her pretty hard and although the rear did not dramatically swing out, there was some noticable movement....enough that I received an earful from my wife who is normally mellow during spirited drives. Judging from that I'd say I dun good! I wish I was heading to WITW

    16. 04-15-2012 12:00 AM #41
      Nice Chris!

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      05-03-2012 01:42 PM #42
      Its both front tires for me, almost seems like the passenger side is a bit worse. I did have an alignment done when i got new rubber mounted all around though I dont have the specs of what was done. I havent even had these tires 20k yet and they all need to be replaced already due to the cupping. it doesnt look choppy it just looks really worn down as compared to the rest of the tire.

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