You are what you eat, America

[Turbio!]

OP's message is fine, delivery sucks.

[Chris Stack]

OP's message is fine, delivery sucks.

Even the message is lacking, because it begs the question "okay, so what do I do.". And the OP is more concerned with claiming to be a victim than answering the question or discussing it.

[O_G]

Even the message is lacking, because it begs the question "okay, so what do I do.". And the OP is more concerned with claiming to be a victim than answering the question or discussing it.

Another day, another incompetently hypocritical and irrelevant ad hominem.

[O_G]

OP's message is fine, delivery sucks.

I guess you missed the second and third posts.

[O_G]

Dumb thread is dumb.

Whatever would we do without your genius?

[O_G]

Eh, whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

That's not the case. Whatever is toxic that you eat is simply more likely to cause chronic rather than acute toxicity, if you think it's making you stronger.

[dubb~stylee]

lol looks someone finally pulled out of his shame spiral due to getting called out last night.

[O_G]

But yet, the life expectancy grows every year. Eat what you want. Enjoy life. Die and get out of the way.

As does the frequency of deformed genitalia. Check out my quote about that.

[O_G]

lol looks someone finally pulled out of his shame spiral due to getting called out last night.

Still trying in vain to prove psychism? When you pull something out of your butt, dispose of it. Don't show it off here.

[dubb~stylee]

Still trying in vain to prove psychism? When you pull something out of your butt, dispose of it. Don't show it off here.

the irony is staggering. you really need to take your own advice. also you are using the word psychism wrong so just stop.

[v408w]

[Turbio!]

I guess you missed the second and third posts.

I've read every post in the thread.

[bubbagti]

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

O_G... Great thread

This is the first time you've ever posted anything that I agree with 100% BTW.

The word needs to be spread about the toxins we are fed. I try to eat as much local, organic foods because of this.

Has anyone mentioned that much of the us corn supply is tainted with genetically modified seed produce by Monsanto (the company that produced agent orange )? This seed produces its own pesticides, and YES we ingest them. The cancer rate in the US has shot through the roof since its introduction in 1997. Coincidence? I think not...

[O_G]

I've read every post in the thread.

That's a good start. Now, all you have to do is think a bit.

[O_G]

Has anyone mentioned that much of the us corn supply is tainted with genetically modified seed produce by Monsanto (the company that produced agent orange )? This seed produces its own pesticides, and YES we ingest them. The cancer rate in the US has shot through the roof since its introduction in 1997. Coincidence? I think not...

I think I mentioned GMO Monsanto pesticide-production genes in the opening post, although I didn't go into any detail about corn.

[dubb~stylee]

O_G... Great thread

This is the first time you've ever posted anything that I agree with 100% BTW.

The word needs to be spread about the toxins we are fed. I try to eat as much local, organic foods because of this.

Has anyone mentioned that much of the us corn supply is tainted with genetically modified seed produce by Monsanto (the company that produced agent orange )? This seed produces its own pesticides, and YES we ingest them. The cancer rate in the US has shot through the roof since its introduction in 1997. Coincidence? I think not...

there was actually a thread about monsanto a few months back.

[Air-over-water]

That's a good start. Now, all you have to do is think a bit.

All right stop, Collaborate and listen.

[Turbio!]

Has anyone mentioned that much of the us corn supply is tainted with genetically modified seed produce by Monsanto (the company that produced agent orange )? This seed produces its own pesticides, and YES we ingest them. The cancer rate in the US has shot through the roof since its introduction in 1997. Coincidence? I think not...

I tend to agree that the presence of all these metals, chemicals, and residues is a strong driver of the rates of various cancers and other public health issues...subjectively. I'm a conservationist and environmental scientist, so I'm predisposed to agree. But "the cancer rate" is composed of so many different kinds of cancers, with so many different proximate and ultimate causes, that making a blanket statement like that bugs the corner of my brain that's a pedantic little statistical analysis nerd. You can't really say that it's the rising tide that raises all cancer-boats - even if it's floating several of them.

[Turbio!]

That's a good start. Now, all you have to do is think a bit.

I've thought about these issues more than you; it's what I do for a living. And as somebody who's studied and practiced the art of communicating about science, I think that both your methods and your attitude is counterproductive. An info-dump with no context, interpretation, or analysis is just not an effective way to discuss this or any other technical issue. And your condescending, aggressive attitude just turns people away. Like I said, your delivery sucks; your second and third posts are part of the problem.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

I think I mentioned GMO Monsanto pesticide-production genes in the opening post, although I didn't go into any detail about corn.

Check out the sharp increase in cancer rates since that seed was introduced.

People need to quit the impulsive arguing on this topic, do a little research, and quit poisoning their children. This topic is no joke, and our government, as well as the media have been covering it up quite successfully until recently.

Heck; most of the civilized world WILL NOT allow the importation of American food products. Those that you see abroad are produced of organic ingredients, and without corn syrup; because they know its toxic.

[v408w]

I just ate a pound and a half of beef. processed. pink.

what else is there to eat

[TetsuoShima]

Unfortunately all organic products are a lot more expensive than the processed versions. Since a large portion of the US has money issues, especially during these last few years what choice do those people have? They have to eat, but they can't afford the good, natural products so they settle with the cheap lunchmeat filled with preservatives and other crap that they sell at a variety store.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

I tend to agree that the presence of all these metals, chemicals, and residues is a strong driver of the rates of various cancers and other public health issues...subjectively. I'm a conservationist and environmental scientist, so I'm predisposed to agree. But "the cancer rate" is composed of so many different kinds of cancers, with so many different proximate and ultimate causes, that making a blanket statement like that bugs the corner of my brain that's a pedantic little statistical analysis nerd. You can't really say that it's the rising tide that raises all cancer-boats - even if it's floating several of them.

The corn produced from that seed is in almost everything directly or indirectly.

Trust me Turbio; im a right winger, and usually laugh off most enviro-nazi conspiracy theories. The clear, almost apocalyptic danger present in the US food supply is downright terrifying.

[O_G]

I've thought about these issues more than you; it's what I do for a living. And as somebody who's studied and practiced the art of communicating about science, I think that both your methods and your attitude is counterproductive. An info-dump with no context, interpretation, or analysis is just not an effective way to discuss this or any other technical issue. And your condescending, aggressive attitude just turns people away. Like I said, your delivery sucks; your second and third posts are part of the problem.

I see you still haven't thought about the first three posts. That's clear in more than one aspect. Let me know when you've gotten it.

[butterface]

I tend to agree that the presence of all these metals, chemicals, and residues is a strong driver of the rates of various cancers and other public health issues...subjectively. I'm a conservationist and environmental scientist, so I'm predisposed to agree. But "the cancer rate" is composed of so many different kinds of cancers, with so many different proximate and ultimate causes, that making a blanket statement like that bugs the corner of my brain that's a pedantic little statistical analysis nerd. You can't really say that it's the rising tide that raises all cancer-boats - even if it's floating several of them.

And it's quite easy to spew the 'OMG toxic food destroying our bodies' bull**** without considering a) how much of the substance is actually toxic, b) how much of it is actually absorbed and used/abused by our bodies, c) what is the long term harm when considering one's average metabolic rate, and d) is the substance immediately or eventually neutralized?

I'm all for organic foods, and I try to eat as informed and healthy as possible, but I also understand that there are people (like yourself) much smarter than me when it comes to how this type of stuff actually affects my well being. An analogy in my field would be the recent 'disclosure' of the seemingly exponential rise in autism without considering the also now exponentially lenient criteria for diagnosis, as well as the expansion of the spectrum in general, when noting these 'alarming' statistics. Though I haven't been to any anti-vaccine sites, I bet they're having a field day with it.

[lipprandt35]

Im gonna get everything on the list, throw all that sh!t in a blender, and go out with a bang!

[Der Schaltwerks]

Eat whatever you want.

You probably can't afford to live past 90 anyway.

[O_G]

And it's quite easy to spew the 'OMG toxic food destroying our bodies' bull**** without considering a) how much of the substance is actually toxic, b) how much of it is actually absorbed and used/abused by our bodies, c) what is the long term harm when considering one's average metabolic rate, and d) is the substance immediately or eventually neutralized?

I'm all for organic foods, and I try to eat as informed and healthy as possible, but I also understand that there are people (like yourself) much smarter than me when it comes to how this type of stuff actually affects my well being. An analogy in my field would be the recent 'disclosure' of the seemingly exponential rise in autism without considering the also now exponentially lenient criteria for diagnosis, as well as the expansion of the spectrum in general, when noting these 'alarming' statistics. Though I haven't been to any anti-vaccine sites, I bet they're having a field day with it.

The conflation of FUD spreading with proven toxins, particularly toxins that can readily be avoided (as with mercury in HFCS) is itself FUD spreading.

There are two main methods of producing HFCS, one of which involves mercury (and subsequently mercury contamination) and the other doesn't. Not only did the FDA not force the industry to just use the latter, they didn't let the public know about the problem and refused to follow up on a whistle-blower's studies/info/warning. That person retired from the FDA.

I could understand being dismissive in a broad-brush way of my post if I had primarily linked to poorly-supported scare sites that are making extravagant claims. But, I didn't.

It's also, for instance, a factual matter that Bush exempted power plants -- the #1 source of mercury emissions -- from anti-mercury regulation. It's a factual matter that many fish have become the equivalent of living toxic waste -- particularly for pregnant women, and such a decision certainly leads to the problem. Mercury scrubbers could have readily been installed at all coal plants, but no...

http://grist.org/food/sweetness-and-blight/

[Brake_Dust]

[Air-over-water]

Eat whatever you want.

You probably can't afford to live past 90 anyway.

I do not know if I would want to live past 90 anyway.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

The conflation of FUD spreading with proven toxins, particularly toxins that can readily be avoided (as with mercury in HFCS) is itself FUD spreading.

There are two main methods of producing HFCS, one of which involves mercury (and subsequently mercury contamination) and the other doesn't. Not only did the FDA not force the industry to just use the former, they didn't let the public know about the problem and refused to follow up on a whistle-blower's studies/info/warning. That person retired from the FDA.

I could understand being dismissive in a broad-brush way of my post if I had primarily linked to poorly-supported scare sites that are making extravagant claims. But, I didn't.

It's also, for instance, a factual matter that Bush exempted power plants -- the #1 source of mercury emissions -- from anti-mercury regulation. It's a factual matter that many fish have become the equivalent of living toxic waste -- particularly for pregnant women, and such a decision certainly leads to the problem. Mercury scrubbers could have readily been installed at all coal plants, but no...

http://grist.org/food/sweetness-and-blight/

Dude... please leave the politics out of it. Obama is just as bad as Bush; in relation to the subject at hand. Notice I didn't make any excuses for Bush either.

Representatives of BOTH political parties have been downright criminally negligent in this matter. Its obvious they are both bought, and paid for by big agriculture.

[Der Schaltwerks]

Every now and then I eat smoked oysters from China. How else am I supposed to get my Cadmium?

[Jader Pack]

Meh, after living in China for about a year, for the third time in my life, I'm experiencing an all-too-familiar feeling: a fear of eating anything and an overpowering urge to get back home to North America.

You eat the wrong thing in North America for 30 years, and you wind up with some minor ailment. You eat (or drink) the wrong thing just ONCE here in China, and you're incapacitated for a week or worse. I've had liquor that made me violently ill for two days, red wine that gave me such a killer headache I was involuntarily moaning in pain and T3s did nothing to stop it, meat that made me felt like I was on speed, candies that took away my appetite for 3 days, I've gotten food poisoning basically once a month, and everyone I FaceTime with at home says it looks like I've aged five years since I left Canada. I've lost 20 lbs, no matter how much I exercise and no matter how much so-called "protein" I eat I can't get the muscle mass back.

Not to say there isn't a problem in North America, but it could be much, much worse.

[VR6ix]

you guys need a better 'news' source... jus' sayin', eh

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/no-cou...-be-obese-2020

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...0%99s-somethin

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/your-c...erican-obesity