You are what you eat, America

[Robstr]

I like that you listed computers and electronics as things you ingest - as if they aren't the same as everything you touch. That was cute. Oh, god, all the vanadium in our tools. We must be injecting so much of it!

Some, lots, of these food "threats" come from people who are terribly informed about the production and purification of chemical things, which is to say, basically everything.

For example Teflon. It doesn't do **** to anyone unless you beat them with a brick of it or turn it into something else by being stupid...like leaving it to sit on a stove top until it starts to burn (Like the author of that article...what an idiot). Go eat a pill of it...it'll come out your other end looking good as new. It's about as inert as inert gets.

MSG is completely miss-characterized as as a substance that makes people sick. Study after double-blind study says it's benign. Anecdotes and rumor says it's bad. Now, I'm not saying we should want MSG in our food. The foods containing MSG themselves tend to be unhealthy regardless. It's just silly to be scared of it.

Too many people think that "it's not natural" or "it's a chemical" and freak out. You miss the real, huge, problem with food: Nearly everyone has a crap diet with too much salt, fat and sugar (regardless of whether it's sucrose or fructose or lactose or whatever other -ose you want).
That is the real issue. Not some parts per million of something that was shown to give a rat tumors when force fed it's own body weight worth.

[O_G]

I like that you listed computers and electronics as things you ingest - as if they aren't the same as everything you touch. That was cute. Oh, god, all the vanadium in our tools. We must be injecting so much of it!

So, I'm at fault for not explaining to people that they don't eat electronics?

Some, lots, of these food "threats" come from people who are terribly informed about the production and purification of chemical things, which is to say, basically everything.

What are you talking about? Did you even check the links?

For example Teflon. It doesn't do **** to anyone unless you beat them with a brick of it or turn it into something else by being stupid...like leaving it to sit on a stove top until it starts to burn (Like the author of that article...what an idiot). Go eat a pill of it...it'll come out your other end looking good as new. It's about as inert as inert gets.

You clearly don't have the whole story on Teflon. It accumulates in the body and it is still unclear, as with acrylamide, what the ramifications of that are. It is true that burning Teflon is even more of a problem than the build up via indirect ingestion, although it's a separate issue.

MSG is completely miss-characterized as as a substance that makes people sick. Study after double-blind study says it's benign. Anecdotes and rumor says it's bad. Now, I'm not saying we should want MSG in our food. The foods containing MSG themselves tend to be unhealthy regardless. It's just silly to be scared of it.

Point to where MSG is so characterized in my post. The only thing I posted about MSG is how it is disguised on food labels. Whether you think the evidence is strong for its safety isn't especially relevant when it comes to the basic idea that consumers should be able to know what it is they're buying. That involves efficiency. Naming redundancy/obfuscation impedes that.

MSG is accused of being an excitotoxin by some. While double-blind peer-reviewed research is very useful, it is never definitive. For instance, a number of studies of Stevia extracts concluded that they are safe while six of them found concerns/evidence regarding DNA damage. Unfortunately, there is a big conflict of interest in the studies world due to the fact that the best sources of funding tend to be corporations trying to sell products and government which is often in bed with corporations. This can result not only in purposefully misleading research but, probably more often, a simple lack of adequate research. That's the charge aimed at acesulfame-K, for instance, by quite a few professionals (see the CSPI article I linked to). It's also a problem with the Stevia extract rebaudioside-A ("Rebiana"), which, according to UCLA toxicologists, has not been subjected to true lifetime studies in both rats and mice.

Too many people think that "it's not natural" or "it's a chemical" and freak out.

Show me where what I posted constitutes "freaking out".

You miss the real, huge, problem with food: Nearly everyone has a crap diet with too much salt, fat and sugar (regardless of whether it's sucrose or fructose or lactose or whatever other -ose you want).

I guess you missed the listing of salt a number of times in my post. As for fat, healthful fats like Omega-3 fish fat (from non-contaminated fish like Alaskan salmon) is something people need more, not less, of, in general. Research has found, recently, that consumption of the high-fat food chocolate is linked to reduced weight gain. There is also the French paradox. The excessive consumption of sugar and saturated fat can easily be something you can contribute to the topic, since I doubt many people here have heard anything about that.

[O_G]

Meh, after living in China for about a year, for the third time in my life, I'm experiencing an all-too-familiar feeling: a fear of eating anything and an overpowering urge to get back home to North America.

You eat the wrong thing in North America for 30 years, and you wind up with some minor ailment. You eat (or drink) the wrong thing just ONCE here in China, and you're incapacitated for a week or worse. I've had liquor that made me violently ill for two days, red wine that gave me such a killer headache I was involuntarily moaning in pain and T3s did nothing to stop it, meat that made me felt like I was on speed, candies that took away my appetite for 3 days, I've gotten food poisoning basically once a month, and everyone I FaceTime with at home says it looks like I've aged five years since I left Canada. I've lost 20 lbs, no matter how much I exercise and no matter how much so-called "protein" I eat I can't get the muscle mass back.

Not to say there isn't a problem in North America, but it could be much, much worse.

This is an important post because it shows just how important food safety standards are. That includes such things as full disclosure labeling, the avoidance of replaceable/superfluous toxic substances, and so forth.

[O_G]

Dude... please leave the politics out of it.

Impossible. This issue is extremely political.

Obama is just as bad as Bush; in relation to the subject at hand. Notice I didn't make any excuses for Bush either.

Actually, Obama is better than Bush in terms of mercury regulation. That's not particularly difficult since Bush exempted the #1 source, by far, of mercury pollution (power plants). The worst thing I've read about Obama's mercury policy is that he's merely taking opportunistic advantage of the judiciary's decision to force compliance with a 20+ year old Clean Air Act ruling. Even if that's the case, it's still better than Bush exempting coal plants and pretending that he was giving us tough new anti-mercury regulation.

Representatives of BOTH political parties have been downright criminally negligent in this matter. Its obvious they are both bought, and paid for by big agriculture.

In some aspects, I don't doubt that. In terms of mercury, though, the George W. Bush GOP was by far much worse than the current administration.

Obviously corporations like Monsanto have far greater a role in public policy than they should, particularly in terms of secrecy. Corporate-government bribery is a huge impediment for improvements in terms of public welfare. But, this fight has been going on for a very long time. Remember Silent Spring? The Cuyahoga river that caught fire 13 times? The famous book by Upton Sinclair about the meat-packing industry?

Apple orchards used to be sprayed with lead arsenate and copper acetoarsenate -- two extremely toxic poisons. That's one of the reasons why we have lead and arsenic problems in produce today. Things can get better, but it takes push on the part of the public. There is always going to be an industry that, like Ford when it put exploding gas tanks into the Pinto due to a mistaken belief that it would improve profits, will harm us for alleged gain. That industry will have money to bribe politicians. The Citizens United ruling only makes that easier.

But, the only choices we have are to do nothing or to fight for our interests.

[AIRider]

All I have to say, is. Food tastes way better in Europe. Every time I visit, I fall in love with food all over again.

[under the radar]

this thread is gay

[Hostile]

Why not think for yourself instead of attacking me for not doing more thinking for you?

The irony of you accusing people of not thinking for themselves, while you just regurgitate a bunch of alarmist BS you find online, is actually quite funny.

[Turbio!]

I see you still haven't thought about the first three posts. That's clear in more than one aspect. Let me know when you've gotten it.

And it's clear that you're remarkably immune, in your childish arrogance, to mine.

If you have a coherent thesis - which I increasingly doubt - that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the manner in which you're making that point, which is abrasive and toxic.

[Turbio!]

The corn produced from that seed is in almost everything directly or indirectly.

Trust me Turbio; im a right winger, and usually laugh off most enviro-nazi conspiracy theories. The clear, almost apocalyptic danger present in the US food supply is downright terrifying.

It's clear. It's a matter of deep and fundamental concern for public health. Apocalyptic is pretty damn strong language, though. People who use words like "apocalyptic" in connection with global warming are rhetorically tarred and feathered as alarmists or worse. If you usually laugh off other "enviro nazi conspiracy theories," why the intense concern about this one?

It's one of my top three serious environmental issues. But it's not the only valid environmental issue.

[ATL_Av8r]

There's to much hydrogen in our food supply. It pisses me off!

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=22236

[VdubChaos]

Most people here are more concerned about what type of oil goes into their car vs food they eat.



Only way to address this issue is for America to vote with their money and support local/small farms vs big corp.

Read: Ain't gonna happen. This thread is my proof.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

Most people here are more concerned about what type of oil goes into their car vs food they eat.



Only way to address this issue is for America to vote with their money and support local/small farms vs big corp.

Read: Ain't gonna happen. This thread is my proof.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. This is why I've never gotten involved in these discussions here in the past, and why im leaving now.

If people want to poison themselves, and their children; be my guest

[Der Schaltwerks]

She's been eating toxic food since 1950

[Fritz27]

This kid = DIR

[Chilledman]

hmmm 300 calories each !!!

[VdubChaos]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. This is why I've never gotten involved in these discussions here in the past, and why im leaving now.

If people want to poison themselves, and their children; be my guest

Voting with money is THE ONLY real/valued Vote American's still posses.

[Der Schaltwerks]

[vwtool]

The odd thing is that there's been a boom in organic agriculture and a renaissance in artisan-produced food at the same time that the mainstream American diet had plunged off a cliff.

It's not just that it's unhealthy, it's that it doesn't even taste like food once you've had the real thing.

[adoniram7]

Agreed.

The older I get, the wiser I get, hopefully. Besides getting more conservative,
I also get WAY more picky with what I eat. Avoiding aluminum at all costs
is the latest thing I've learned to do.

[.LSinLV.]

There's to much hydrogen in our food supply. It pisses me off!

[VdubChaos]

So to sum up the thread.

America, you ARE what you eat. Sorry to break it to you but you consistently eat shiit.

[Chilledman]

I think a lot of you eat way to much fagina on the beach .....

[GolfTango]

Why has O_G has not been banned is beyond me.

[ATL_Av8r]

Why has O_G has not been banned is beyond me.

Must be his diet.

[ogvr6]

well eat a lot vjayjay...

[v408w]

Agreed.

The older I get, the wiser I get, hopefully. Besides getting more conservative,
I also get WAY more picky with what I eat. Avoiding aluminum at all costs
is the latest thing I've learned to do.

Elaborate on aluminum

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[Uberhare]

Thread is pointless without nude pics of OP's girlfriend/wife.

[dj age one]

I like that you listed computers and electronics as things you ingest - as if they aren't the same as everything you touch. That was cute. Oh, god, all the vanadium in our tools. We must be injecting so much of it!

Some, lots, of these food "threats" come from people who are terribly informed about the production and purification of chemical things, which is to say, basically everything.

For example Teflon. It doesn't do **** to anyone unless you beat them with a brick of it or turn it into something else by being stupid...like leaving it to sit on a stove top until it starts to burn (Like the author of that article...what an idiot). Go eat a pill of it...it'll come out your other end looking good as new. It's about as inert as inert gets.

MSG is completely miss-characterized as as a substance that makes people sick. Study after double-blind study says it's benign. Anecdotes and rumor says it's bad. Now, I'm not saying we should want MSG in our food. The foods containing MSG themselves tend to be unhealthy regardless. It's just silly to be scared of it.

Too many people think that "it's not natural" or "it's a chemical" and freak out. You miss the real, huge, problem with food: Nearly everyone has a crap diet with too much salt, fat and sugar (regardless of whether it's sucrose or fructose or lactose or whatever other -ose you want).
That is the real issue. Not some parts per million of something that was shown to give a rat tumors when force fed it's own body weight worth.

my thoughts exactly..

[shadylurker]

balls in mouth, no poison

[O_G]

Why has O_G has not been banned is beyond me.

A lot of things are beyond you.

[O_G]

The irony of you accusing people of not thinking for themselves, while you just regurgitate a bunch of alarmist BS you find online, is actually quite funny.

Back up your accusation with proof. Prove that the sources I linked to aren't credible. Prove that the information isn't credible.

You can't and you won't.

[O_G]

And it's clear that you're remarkably immune, in your childish arrogance, to mine.

If you have a coherent thesis - which I increasingly doubt - that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the manner in which you're making that point, which is abrasive and toxic.

Hypocritical as usual.

[dubb~stylee]

looks like someone was craving attention.

[O_G]

looks like someone was craving attention.

That's one assumption among many. Another is that I don't live on this board.

Anything interesting to say on the subject of food quality?

And, speaking to the need for attention versus the amount of substantive contribution to the forum...