TSI - Still Intake Deposit Issues?

[BTLew81]

I'm thinking about a 2012 GLI. However, with the horror stories I have read about 2.0T intake valve deposits, I am weary. Frankly, I do not want to mess with deposits, nor having to install a catch can. So, can anyone comment on their experiences with more recent 2.0s?

Thanks in advance.

[MasterNele03]

I'm thinking about a 2012 GLI. However, with the horror stories I have read about 2.0T intake valve deposits, I am weary. Frankly, I do not want to mess with deposits, nor having to install a catch can. So, can anyone comment on their experiences with more recent 2.0s?

Thanks in advance.

They still have intake deposits and it's the same for the 2012's as it has been since 2006 with the FSI motor. Granted it's not as bad, but you still get a get amount in there enough for you or have someone else do it for you between 40-60k miles depending on how your drive. It happens on both b/c of the direct injection design. There's no way around it, even other makers like toyota and them were having the same problems. The only way around it is to hav both direct and port injection, but that won't happen until the new 1.8L TSI motor comes out. Catch cans are not diffcult to install but they won't stop nor reduce the amount of buil-up on the valves. However they will nearly elimante all oil blow-by from teh PCV system in your intake tract before the intake mainfold (intercooler, turbo outlet pipe, turbo itself, etc...) There is also a theory of the valves seals not being the best at keeping the oil from going on the valve but that has no real proof to it so take it how you will. Other than that it's a really solid engine and you really can't go wrong with it if you really like the car, it's just a maintenance thing like every other car manufacturer will have. Hope this helps

[ViRtUaLheretic]

Currently ALL Direct Injection motors are plagued with valve deposits, Minis have the problem, new Mustangs have the problem, Mercedes has the problem etc....

[BTLew81]

Thanks. For now, it is just not something I want to deal with. I know that probably sounds stupid. I do enjoy maintaining my cars to a high degree, but worrying about performance robbing deposits is not something I want to deal with.

It's too bad. I know it is widespread, which is bad. A great technology and almost everyone who drives one will evenutally have these issues. Pretty terrible way to do business, in my book. Get the tech right and then sell it.

Sometimes my lowly 2.5 isnt all that bad.

[JHEIII]

Had mine taken care of at 42K under CPL warranty. No out of pocket and loaner provided no questions asked. Don't let it turn you away.

[BTLew81]

good to know, but it does turn me away knowing this is basically a scheduled maint. item. Too bad, as it's a fun little motor. Just what I see as a major issue...

[Slayer]

Currently ALL Direct Injection motors are plagued with valve deposits, Minis have the problem, new Mustangs have the problem, Mercedes has the problem etc....

exactly what I was going to say.

No gas on the intake valves = caked on **** until you go scrape it off. That's just how it is

[onevrsix]

I'm thinking about a 2012 GLI. However, with the horror stories I have read about 2.0T intake valve deposits, I am weary. Frankly, I do not want to mess with deposits, nor having to install a catch can. So, can anyone comment on their experiences with more recent 2.0s?

Thanks in advance.

think about it like this, 10 years ago when majority of the cars had timing belts, would you buy worried about purchasing a car with a timing belt knowing it would have to get done at 60-70k miles? no, same goes for this, at about 50-60kyour valves may need to be cleaned, can you drive without the cleaning? yes.

Additionally, never manifolds are less prone to failure.

[BTLew81]

Well, I blew it. I went and drove one today. LOVED it. Just gotta get the fiance to buy in..

[zucchini]

It seems that new ones (I don´t know when) will have 2 injection systems.
One comes through the valves, and the other one, direct injection.....
Perhaps one for low rpm and other for high rpm.

Living and learning.....with mistakes.....

[onevrsix]

It seems that new ones (I don´t know when) will have 2 injection systems.
One comes through the valves, and the other one, direct injection.....
Perhaps one for low rpm and other for high rpm.

Living and learning.....with mistakes.....

Sounds like an additional set of injectors to worry about

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[zucchini]

Sounds like an additional set of injectors to worry about

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Indeed!

[MR2ToVW]

Well, I blew it. I went and drove one today. LOVED it. Just gotta get the fiance to buy in..

Yes, valve deposits are a downside of DI, but the upsides do outweigh the issue IMO... and judging from your test drive reaction, you agree! Pulling the IM and cleaning valves once in a very long time isn't the end of the world. Timing belt change is far more difficult and invasive.

[Evo V]

Here is my TFSI @105K miles. I did the cleaning myself in 6hrs. Pictures speak a thousand words

[tmiw]

^ That doesn't look so bad. And by "not bad" I mean having this as a 100k maintenance item isn't bad, not necessarily having to do it in the first place.

Also, I hear it depends on your driving habits too, no?

[MK6GTI]

^^ daayyyuummm. I bet the car ran so much better after you did that..

[Evo V]

^^ daayyyuummm. I bet the car ran so much better after you did that..

It felt a little... loose after the cleaning. and noisy... it was just my feeling. 200miles later I did oil change and then ran a full tank of gas with seafoam in it. There were some small deposits that clogged my injectors. After I did this everything has been good. I am at 116K now. I will recomend cleaning them every 50K miles.

[worth_fixing]

Hey guys,

I just bought a 2009 GTI last Friday with 105,800 km (~65,000 miles) I'm assuming no one has done
any maitnenance on the engine to this extent. It's also out of warranty (completly) therefor I plan on
doing all the maintnance myself (well, at least most of it).

Is there a step-by-step how-to guide on cleaning my intake valves?
How would I know they are due? (Lack of power I assume)
Could this potentially cause permanent damage if not cleaned?

Thanks!

James

P.S. F***ing amazing car is f***ing amazing.

[MK6GTI]

It felt a little... loose after the cleaning. and noisy... it was just my feeling. 200miles later I did oil change and then ran a full tank of gas with seafoam in it. There were some small deposits that clogged my injectors. After I did this everything has been good. I am at 116K now. I will recomend cleaning them every 50K miles.

Hmm. My car is still young at just under 37,000. I think 50K is a little premature. Maybe 100K or 105K like you did.

[onevrsix]

Hmm. My car is still young at just under 37,000. I think 50K is a little premature. Maybe 100K or 105K like you did.

agreed, I looked at mine around 60k and decided I'd wait till 75-100....now that I'm at 76k car still runs fine, pulls like a raging animal (stage II).

[Evo V]

agreed, I looked at mine around 60k and decided I'd wait till 75-100....now that I'm at 76k car still runs fine, pulls like a raging animal (stage II).

@ 105K my car ran fine as well. I saw pictures of MisterJJ's car at 76K and that got me motivated. I'm so glad that I did it. After what I saw inside I will do it again @150K.

[Deaks2]

Toyota DI systems have always had port injection in order to keep the vlaves clean and reduce cold start emissions. The next-gen 2.0 TSI (post on this forum somewhere) will also have a dual injection system.

Audi covers valve/intake manifold cleaning on the 4.2 TSI in the RS4 and R8, but not on the more pedestrian models... Hmm...

[ViRtUaLheretic]

Toyota DI systems have always had port injection in order to keep the vlaves clean and reduce cold start emissions. The next-gen 2.0 TSI (post on this forum somewhere) will also have a dual injection system.

Audi covers valve/intake manifold cleaning on the 4.2 TSI in the RS4 and R8, but not on the more pedestrian models... Hmm...

New generation Diret Ijection motors from VW/Audi are 1.8L, not 2.0L

[steelcurtain]

OP..go buy the GTI then use my DIY to clean the valves. Don't let DI stop you from owning a very fun car.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...Valve-Cleaning

[Deaks2]

New generation Diret Ijection motors from VW/Audi are 1.8L, not 2.0L

Current TSI engines include a 1.8 TSI.

There was a post on here that had the next gen 2.0 TSI tech package for VW dealer techs. I recommend you look it up.

Edit, found it: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ight=injection

[ViRtUaLheretic]

Current TSI engines include a 1.8 TSI.

There was a post on here that had the next gen 2.0 TSI tech package for VW dealer techs. I recommend you look it up.

Edit, found it: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ight=injection

All of the pictures and information are on the 1.8TSI motor, I have yet to hear anything about the 2.0

[Dirty_Dub]

I was quoted $600 bucks to clean my valves from Redline Speed worx

[Krieger]

thats crazy ****ing expensive... i paid $250... most i know personally paid less than $350...

[steelcurtain]

No doubt. Dealer probably cheaper.

[Dirty_Dub]

From a dealer?

[Dirty_Dub]

thats crazy ****ing expensive... i paid $250... most i know personally paid less than $350...

From a dealer?

[Krieger]

from larger shops that know wtf they are doin and arent in it to rape you.

[Evo V]

from larger shops that know wtf they are doin and arent in it to rape you.

Are they actually open the intake and manually clean the valves for $250 or just spray it with seafoam and call it a day?

[ViRtUaLheretic]

If thats the case, I will spray seafoam in your intake manifold for $200 and i will drive to your house

[Krieger]

pull the intake mani and manually scrub the intake valves... seafoam doesnt do **** either.