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      04-03-2012 10:08 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      The current Miata weighs 2550 lbs.
      And Mazda says they are removing 300 lbs for the next Miata.

      2550 - 300 = 2250 lbs.

      It won't take much turb0 p0wer to make that entertaining to drive.
      It sounds like it will be a blast to drive.
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      04-07-2012 03:22 PM #27
      Just ran across this (looking for something else on the autocar site)

      I think this is where Mazda's current "we need to make new cars lighter" philosophy may have started... or at least where it became adopted at a corporate level.

      http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...rlight/243238/





      Mazda MX-5 1.8i Superlight FIRST DRIVE
      Test date Thursday, September 10, 2009

      What is it?

      The Mazda’s MX-5 Superlight concept – which is taking centre stage on the Mazda stand at the Frankfurt motor show, and which we’ve driven.
      It’s a low-emissions, stripped-out, driver-focussed one-off version of the world’s biggest-selling sports car.

      The car’s story began when Mazda Europe Head of Design Peter Birtwhistle, designer Hassip Girgin and the team took a 1.8-litre MX-5, stripped it down to its bare essentials – a running chassis with essential body panels only – and invited Mazda’s test engineers to drive it.
      Those test drivers reported that the MX-5’s key dynamic traits – its trademark sharpness of response and natural rear-driven handling balance – were only enhanced by the lack of weight.
      So they duly set about replacing some of the components they’d taken away with lighter alternatives made from carbonfibre and aluminium. They left the windscreen and roof off altogether, and fitted an alumium bonnet with a carbonfibre extension that incorporates the rearview mirror and covers the instrument cowl.

      In place of the soft top, the Superlight has two large rollover hoops with integrated wind deflectors. And because the car is always roofless, the doors don’t need exterior handles. To open them, you pull a leather tie inside the cabin.

      Also inside the cabin, the instrument panel is made of fiberglass-reinforced plastic; the gearlever and handbrake out of aluminium partly covered with leather. There’s no HVAC system at all, and no noise and vibration isolation either.

      All in all, Mazda’s crash diet has taken 160kg from the kerbweight of this car; as a result it’s half a second quicker to 62mph and 6mpg more fuel efficient too.

      What’s it like?

      Exposed. That’s how you feel when you strap yourself in. There is no windscreen in front of you, no interior trim panels on the doors. And ahead of you, where the CD player should be, there are two flip switches – one to turn on the fuel pump, the other the ignition – and a starter button. That’s it.

      Thumb that starter button. The car’s powerplant comes alive with an aggressive bark. It sounds big and vocal, but it’s actually Mazda’s regular 1.8-litre, 124bhp four-pot equipped with a stainless steel air intake, and a bigger exhaust system from Mazda’s 3 MPS. Instead of adding horsepower, Mazda decided to take the harder route to improving performance for this particular car, in the MX-5’s 20th anniversary year; to add by subtraction.

      A helmet and goggles are a must for this test drive. Dip the clutch, throw in first gear using that ornate-looking lever, ease off the mark and straight away you notice the lack of mass. And almost as quickly you’re blown backwards into your seat by the passage of air.
      Change into second gear at 45mph and the wind noise around your helmet begins to drown out the engine’s blare; you have to watch the rev counter carefully to avoid slamming into the limiter as you forge forwards.

      Mazda doesn’t know the exact weight distribution of this car yet, but it feels as if the centre of mass has moved slightly towards those rear wheels; it could even be 50/50. Turn the MX-5 Superlight into a fast, sweeping bend and the nose tucks in more keenly and quickly than you’re used to. It doesn’t understeer as much as the production car. Which is to say that it doesn’t understeer at all, practically.

      Lift the throttle and that playful-yet-benign rear-end starts its familiar entertainment routine. You could go on playing with your cornering line, on and off the throttle, for corner after corner; this thing’s a joy. But there’s excellent road-holding, real composure and great stopping power here too, a result of the 20mm lower ride height than standard, the 200mm wider tracks, the new Eibach anti-roll bars and the new drilled brake discs.

      You feel even closer-connected to this machine than you do a regular MX-5. There’s no insulation, no creature comforts; it’s a human-machine interface reminiscent of that of certain vintage machinery. Mazda hasn’t recorded a top speed for the car yet, but we took it up to 125mph – that’s 3mph faster than the production version goes – and it was still accelerating.

      Above 100mph it’s a very demanding car to drive purely because of the wind factor. But with a little more protection fitted – a deflector blade ahead of the instruments, say – it wouldn’t be half as bad.

      Should I buy one?

      You can’t – but it will influence new Mazda models that you will be able to buy.
      "We want to push forward with weight-saving measures, because light cars are fun to drive," says Birtwhistle. "It could be possible to build this car, or one very like it, in limited numbers, but more important will be its influence on our design and engineering agenda. Because wouldn’t it be great if we could make every new Mazda 160kg lighter?".
      “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

    3. 04-07-2012 03:33 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Bakounine View Post
      My old mk2 GTI 16V weighted 2200 lbs,
      Ha! Try 2444, and thats the 87-89s!




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      04-07-2012 06:48 PM #29
      Less displacement, same or more power, less weight... Increased power-weight ratio with less "cost" of energy? Sounds like an improvement.

      Sports cars don't need 400hp - that's not the point. At least not "out of the box". 200hp would be more than enough to make this a rocket. 140-150 is still plenty.

      I think the while philosophy behind SkyActiv is what TCL has been clamoring for, for years.

      A few years ago I remember all the automakers making comments on this direction - we're seeing already in BMW, Audi, and Mercedes.

      Lol@ "the exhaust won't fit because it's for transverse engines.". Well DUH- make one that isn't? I'm sure the technology doesn't care which way it's facing

      Also, that p-chop is HOT. I would never even consider a Z4 if Mazda made that.

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      04-07-2012 06:55 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by PsyberVW View Post
      Lol@ "the exhaust won't fit because it's for transverse engines.". Well DUH- make one that isn't? I'm sure the technology doesn't care which way it's facing
      Actually... it does.
      The high compression works because Mazda uses that exhaust manifold to remove heat quickly.
      Putting bends in it early would completely ruin the quick heat removing properties of the exhaust design.
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      04-07-2012 07:53 PM #31
      Make a coupe version and the $$$$ will come.

      Only a small fraction wants a convertible.

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      04-07-2012 08:14 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by someguy123 View Post
      Make a coupe version and the $$$$ will come.

      Only a small fraction wants a convertible.
      If only.

      I think they are concerned about diluting the MX-5 name if they sold a fixed coupe version.

      What they could do is sell a soft top delete version and make a bolt on hard top that really works/looks good (like a club racing spec).
      “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

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      04-07-2012 08:59 PM #33
      Makes me interested. I love how turbo cars respond to tuning, and of these small turbo I4s are great with a exhaust and tune. I am a vocal hater of Mazda so i am sure they will botch this like they have everything they ever made since the NA...but i stand on the sidelines intrigued.

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      04-07-2012 09:09 PM #34
      I couldn't care less about the power as long as it's decent (130-150 hp range). I think the weight reduction is fantastic, especially the amount, on what is still a relatively lightweight car. It should be extremely fun to drive, autocross and track.

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      04-07-2012 09:11 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      If only.

      I think they are concerned about diluting the MX-5 name if they sold a fixed coupe version.

      What they could do is sell a soft top delete version and make a bolt on hard top that really works/looks good (like a club racing spec).
      those look decent, but the miata coupe concepts that have been built were pretty sexy. And you would prob have a more usable interior space/trunk in that case of real coupe.

      sexyness:



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      04-07-2012 09:19 PM #36
      Honestly, I can't imagine 150 HP being fun at all. Most cars I've driven at that power are slow as hell.

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    12. 04-07-2012 10:14 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Ark6 View Post
      Honestly, I can't imagine 150 HP being fun at all. Most cars I've driven at that power are slow as hell.
      You're driving it wrong.

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      04-07-2012 10:19 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      If only.

      I think they are concerned about diluting the MX-5 name if they sold a fixed coupe version.

      What they could do is sell a soft top delete version and make a bolt on hard top that really works/looks good (like a club racing spec).
      Except Mazda did sell a (very limited) production coupe in Japan for the NA and NB.

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      04-07-2012 10:21 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Ark6 View Post
      Honestly, I can't imagine 150 HP being fun at all. Most cars I've driven at that power are slow as hell.

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      THE CORNER!!!

      That's where the fun is.

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      04-07-2012 10:37 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      Except Mazda did sell a (very limited) production coupe in Japan for the NA and NB.
      They only made like 350 of them for one model year (2004), so it was a special one off thing.
      (not sure why)
      Actually, I think Mazda even farmed out the production for the coupes.
      (and they weighed a bit more since they were still based on the same convertible chassis)

      And maybe I am wrong... that Mazda might see some value in an MX-5 fixed roof coupe' model.
      But if that is the case, why wait over 20 years to offer one as a normal production model?

      The Mazda Kabura was an more practical MX-5 coupe', and it didn't see production.
      But IDK- with the RX8 gone, maybe Mazda might be willing to invest in a rear drive piston engined coupe once more. (It's been 30 years since the rear drive 626 coupe)
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      04-07-2012 10:43 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Ark6 View Post
      Honestly, I can't imagine 150 HP being fun at all. Most cars I've driven at that power are slow as hell.

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      A 2250 lb car with 150 hp would not be fun at all?
      Do you have a massive head wound?
      Do we need to send amber lamps?

      We are talking LIGHTER than a Mazda2 and with 50% more power and to the rear wheels.
      That's a better power to weight ratio than a GTI fwiw.
      “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

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      04-07-2012 10:56 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      And maybe I am wrong... that Mazda might see some value in an MX-5 fixed roof coupe' model.
      But if that is the case, why wait over 20 years to offer one as a normal production model?
      There has been an RX model during those 20 years, but now that there isn't one, it would make sense to give a coupe based on the Miata (as you stated in your post)

      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      A 2250 lb car with 150 hp would not be fun at all?
      Do you have a massive head wound?
      Do we need to send amber lamps?

      We are talking LIGHTER than a Mazda2 and with 50% more power and to the rear wheels.
      That's a better power to weight ratio than a GTI fwiw.
      But does it have enough torque to get up a hill?

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      04-07-2012 11:28 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Ark6 View Post
      Honestly, I can't imagine 150 HP being fun at all. Most cars I've driven at that power are slow as hell.

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      95hp can be fun, depends on how and where you drive it.
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      04-07-2012 11:32 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      But does it have enough torque to get up a hill?
      Joke or serious? I never know around here.
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      04-07-2012 11:53 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      A 2250 lb car with 150 hp would not be fun at all?
      Do you have a massive head wound?
      Do we need to send amber lamps?

      We are talking LIGHTER than a Mazda2 and with 50% more power and to the rear wheels.
      That's a better power to weight ratio than a GTI fwiw.
      GTIs suck IMO.

      Anyway, Sure, I can see 150 wheel hop being fun in such a low weight car, but IDK...I was pretty under whelmed by the Celica...which has a snappier engine and more power, without much of a weight penalty.

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      04-08-2012 12:21 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Ark6 View Post
      GTIs suck IMO.

      Anyway, Sure, I can see 150 wheel hop being fun in such a low weight car, but IDK...I was pretty under whelmed by the Celica...which has a snappier engine and more power, without much of a weight penalty.

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      Massive head wound.
      The amber laps is on the way.

      And if your driving enjoyment is a 1/4 mile/redlight at a time, anything like a stock MX-5 is your bane of existence.

      Damn man.. you are in the bay area? Go drive a stock manual MX-5 down the Cabrillo highway to San Luis Obispo. If that low hp to weight car does not excite, then try drugs.
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      04-08-2012 12:27 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Joke or serious? I never know around here.
      Reference to GT86 only having 150 lb ft; it was a comment someone made

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      04-08-2012 05:37 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Massive head wound.
      The amber laps is on the way.

      And if your driving enjoyment is a 1/4 mile/redlight at a time, anything like a stock MX-5 is your bane of existence.

      Damn man.. you are in the bay area? Go drive a stock manual MX-5 down the Cabrillo highway to San Luis Obispo. If that low hp to weight car does not excite, then try drugs.

      If you can't have fun in a stock MX-5 on a windy road, there's two possibilities: psychological disorder, or an automatic transmission.

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      04-08-2012 06:01 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by mike02467 View Post
      If you can't have fun in a stock MX-5 on a windy road, there's two possibilities: psychological disorder, or an automatic transmission.
      Totally. Last time I drove an NC I was pulling over 70mph on a tight turning exit ramp- with the salesman egging me on.

      What an amazingly fun car!

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      That CAN'T be the new front end. It is ghastly. But I've already seen that new grille on one of thier new SUVs. I fear it is their new corporate face.

      are you serious?!

      previous Gen i would never bite. this is a beautiful design change! stunning, aggressive and not at all feminine!

      5 thumbs up from me!
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