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      04-03-2012 12:56 PM #1
      I no longer drive to work, so I am selling my B5 to make way for a toy that will also be my only car. That means year-round, including snow duty if needed.

      So, aside from



      and



      why should I not make a B7 RS4 my next car?


      I had all but forgotten about the existence of this car until a mention from a fellow TCL'r the other night, but now I can't get it out of my mind. What other cars should I be considering before I make a rash decision?

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      04-03-2012 12:57 PM #2
      Came in here to post both of those reasons.

      If you can get around those, then do it.

      Otherwise you'd be silly not to spend that same money on an M3.
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      04-03-2012 12:59 PM #3
      Not sure how much they cost nowadays, but wouldn't a current-gen S4 be about the same amount of money, and with a software update be just as fast?
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      04-03-2012 12:59 PM #4
      Is there anything you can do to clean the carbon off (seafoamesque stuff)?

      This is approaching certainty for my next car as I'm moving north and AWD would be great.
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      04-03-2012 12:59 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by djsheijkdfj View Post
      I no longer drive to work, so I am selling my B5 to make way for a toy that will also be my only car. That means year-round, including snow duty if needed.

      So, aside from



      and



      why should I not make a B7 RS4 my next car?


      I had all but forgotten about the existence of this car until a mention from a fellow TCL'r the other night, but now I can't get it out of my mind. What other cars should I be considering before I make a rash decision?

      P4C
      The 2 reasons you just listed would really turn me off from that car. For the same money you could probably pick up a nice 911 S, granted I don't know what your life entails as far as a neccesity for practicality.
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      04-03-2012 01:18 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Woo View Post
      Not sure how much they cost nowadays, but wouldn't a current-gen S4 be about the same amount of money, and with a software update be just as fast?
      The stock B8 S4 is as fast as the B7 RS 4 under almost all circumstances.

      I loved my RS 4, but it is an old car now, and it was a pig. I also would not own one out of warranty.

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      04-03-2012 01:20 PM #7
      I know of some compaines that are working on fuel additives that will limit/break this stuff up specifically for these FSI motors. I guess the S5 motor as well has the same problem as the RS4.

      The problem being is if the fuel additives work too quickly, from my understanding, and break this gunk up it can cause some serious issues w/the valves not seating properly and you losing compression. Not a good thing.

      Having said that, if you are comfortable w/that issue then by all means get one b/c they are amazing cars to drive. The chains/guides I'd honestly not worry about b/c that's a way longer term wear item.

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      04-03-2012 01:21 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by nismo4life View Post
      The 2 reasons you just listed would really turn me off from that car. For the same money you could probably pick up a nice 911 S, granted I don't know what your life entails as far as a neccesity for practicality.
      That's a good point. OP do you require 4 doors? If not a C4S might be a tempting prospect. Or are you looking for a little more stealth / sleeper?

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      04-03-2012 01:25 PM #9
      can't see the pics at work, are they sludgers? Only ever seen one on the road and it definitely caught my eye. Good looking car, but as someone mentioned above I can't think of a single reason to buy one over an M3, other than the fact that it ISN'T an M3.

      If you don't have to commute it, and it's just a toy, why not get something more purposeful and toy like than the rs?
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      04-03-2012 01:26 PM #10
      got' damn.

      as much as i LOVE those cars....out of warranty you might as well dumpster it.

      maintenance nightmare....that's why i don't have an audi after 6 months of looking for the right one....i finally had common sense take over the want for AWD.
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      04-03-2012 01:26 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Internal Combustion View Post
      Is there anything you can do to clean the carbon off (seafoamesque stuff)?

      This is approaching certainty for my next car as I'm moving north and AWD would be great.
      People claim running good oil, a catch can system, or italian style tuneups at high RPM every week on the highway. However I have not seen any solid evidence any of that even works. At least for the GTI/GLI 2.0T engine.

      I think I'll just pay for the BG service or whatever the dealer has available every 50,000 miles or so. Overall a small price to pay for an enjoyable vehicle.
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      04-03-2012 01:28 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Internal Combustion View Post
      Is there anything you can do to clean the carbon off (seafoamesque stuff)?
      Seafoam/gas/other solvent and an arsenal of brushes and dental picks. JHM is/was working on a system that spits a bit of fuel into the throttle body to help wash the valves and prevent the carbon build up. Other than that.... cleanings every 10,000-15,000 miles are apparently the best way to fight it, the carbon is still relatively soft at that point and easy to get off.

      Quote Originally Posted by nismo4life View Post
      The 2 reasons you just listed would really turn me off from that car. For the same money you could probably pick up a nice 911 S, granted I don't know what your life entails as far as a neccesity for practicality.
      Practicality is a big plus... I don't know if I could ever go back to a 2 door car as my only car. The ease of being able to stuff groceries/boxes/things/people in the back seat comes in handy more often than I previously realized.

    13. 04-03-2012 01:39 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by David@vwvortex View Post
      I know of some compaines that are working on fuel additives that will limit/break this stuff up specifically for these FSI motors. I guess the S5 motor as well has the same problem as the RS4.
      Call me stupid, but isn't the whole reason behind the buildup the fact that no fuel washes over the valves?

      So new additives, etc won't help the buildup...again as no fuel hits the valves.

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      04-03-2012 01:40 PM #14
      If buildup is such a huge issue with the v8 just run watermeth and that will clean the buildup right out, and prevent it from happening.
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      04-03-2012 01:43 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by helement2003 View Post
      Call me stupid, but isn't the whole reason behind the buildup the fact that no fuel washes over the valves?

      So new additives, etc won't help the buildup...again as no fuel hits the valves.
      Seafoam, for example, could be injected into your gas tank, your crankcase, and even your intake.

    16. 04-03-2012 01:44 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Klim18 View Post
      Seafoam, for example, could be injected into your gas tank, your crankcase, and even your intake.
      I'm talking fuel additives already in the gasoline.

      I know you can still seafoam a DI car via vacuum lines.

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      04-03-2012 01:45 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      If buildup is such a huge issue with the v8 just run watermeth and that will clean the buildup right out, and prevent it from happening.
      no it won't... Meth won't do $hit
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      04-03-2012 01:52 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
      no it won't... Meth won't do $hit
      Yes it does. Lol maybe if your trying to run 83 with it. Especially if you keep your fuel and air filters clean.
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      04-03-2012 01:56 PM #19
      OP. What about an upcoming A4 ALLROAD or probably a Passat ALLTREK. Unless you require a manual. B8 S4 is a good option here.

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      04-03-2012 01:58 PM #20


      perhaps an alternative for similar money?
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      It's composed at all speeds and at all times...it just feels like you're holding the leash on a 150lb pit bull and praying you don't see a squirrel.

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      04-03-2012 01:59 PM #21
      Watermeth may do more for the combustion chamber than the valve stems, but it will still help prevent valve buildup. Current buildup still needs to be removed by whatever means you choose to use. It will help clean valves stay clean tho, to clear that up.
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      04-03-2012 02:03 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by compy222 View Post


      perhaps an alternative for similar money?
      I'd also second a motion on the CTS-V. I'd also like to add the E90 M3.

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      04-03-2012 02:05 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony@VMG View Post
      The stock B8 S4 is as fast as the B7 RS 4 under almost all circumstances.

      I loved my RS 4, but it is an old car now, and it was a pig. I also would not own one out of warranty.

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      04-03-2012 02:07 PM #24
      Doesn't Audi dealerships offer a 'de-carbon' job for cars with the 3.2/4.2FSI engines? I'm guessing it's not a cheap job though.. almost on par with the BMW M3 vanos/valve adjustment service??? I would love to be enlightened on this matter

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      04-03-2012 02:14 PM #25
      From what I have been reading, ANYTHING you put in the gas tank ( fuel additives) will not help. Direct injection = fuel directly into the combustion chamber, so nothing is getting to the backs of the valves, which is why the problem exists.

      Seafoam is weak for carbon removal, only solutions so far is BG service and the factory: intake removal and physical carbon removal, which I believe is walnut shell blasting.

      Thread I have been reading: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-up-Megathread tons of links in there
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      04-03-2012 02:14 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by David@vwvortex View Post
      I know of some compaines that are working on fuel additives that will limit/break this stuff up specifically for these FSI motors. I guess the S5 motor as well has the same problem as the RS4.

      The problem being is if the fuel additives work too quickly, from my understanding, and break this gunk up it can cause some serious issues w/the valves not seating properly and you losing compression. Not a good thing.

      Having said that, if you are comfortable w/that issue then by all means get one b/c they are amazing cars to drive. The chains/guides I'd honestly not worry about b/c that's a way longer term wear item.


      How would fuel additives work when fuel is not even passing over the air intake valves.....

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      04-03-2012 02:18 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by compy222 View Post


      perhaps an alternative for similar money?
      A quick search shows used V's starting in the low 50's.... how I wish they were cheaper, though.

      Really not a big fan of the E9x M3, they can be had in the same price range as the RS4, though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by djsheijkdfj View Post
      A quick search shows used V's starting in the low 50's.... how I wish they were cheaper, though.

      Really not a big fan of the E9x M3, they can be had in the same price range as the RS4, though.
      http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/...7-b04b10aa73c1

      Only problem is that it's an automatic :-(
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      Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain EX View Post
      http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/...7-b04b10aa73c1

      Only problem is that it's an automatic :-(
      Whoa.

      A tragedy indeed....

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      Quote Originally Posted by djsheijkdfj View Post
      A quick search shows used V's starting in the low 50's.... how I wish they were cheaper, though.

      Really not a big fan of the E9x M3, they can be had in the same price range as the RS4, though.
      good point. what price range are we looking in? if so, the BMW is worth looking at...not going to be that much more reliable than the Audi though. cool thing about the V is the 100k powertrain warranty...what about any of the older ones? the earlier LSx ones are very capable too...
      Regarding DD'ing a tuned Evo:
      Quote Originally Posted by SchrickVR6 View Post
      It's composed at all speeds and at all times...it just feels like you're holding the leash on a 150lb pit bull and praying you don't see a squirrel.

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      04-03-2012 02:27 PM #31
      You forgot the DRC! If it's anywhere similar to what's on the RS6, it's a complete pile of garbage even when it was brand new. The RS6's DRC system was recalled and even the fix that was provided didn't solve all of the problems. Again, I'm not sure of the exact details on the RS4, but I heard they were the same system.

      Edit: Quick search leads me to believe it's the same:

      http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ew-Rev-B-parts

      http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2599749

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      04-03-2012 02:29 PM #32
      Apparently the newer DRC recall is good to go. If not, nothing a set of coils can't remedy.

      Pass on the first gen V. The LSA is what makes that car for me.

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      04-03-2012 02:36 PM #33
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      Nice video. Me personally... water-meth and call it a day. yolo
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      04-03-2012 02:36 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Yes it does. Lol maybe if your trying to run 83 with it. Especially if you keep your fuel and air filters clean.

      I know people that have tried it... it doesn't do anything. If you knew how the meth actually works and atomizes you would understand why it wouldn't work.
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      Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
      I know people that have tried it... it doesn't do anything. If you knew how the meth actually works and atomizes you would understand why it wouldn't work.
      Im not getting into this. I know it helps, just like thousands of others know it helps, on top off all the mfg claim it helps. Maybe it does, maybe it doesnt, it sure as hell works for everything else claimed.
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