Vettel. A man coping with the after Championship years...

[kfzmeister]

Webber can do more with an average car than Massa.

Did you really just say that???

[wiredvw]

Did you really just say that???

Yes. Massa more often than not, puts the car in horrible places when things aren't going well for him. How is Massa in the rain??? Again, I'm not saying Webber is a great driver, just better than Massa.

Massa also has had arguably better cars and team resources at his disposal over his career than Webber has.

[kfzmeister]

Hmmm, well let's see. Webber is about as good as Bernie. Vettel would destroy Bernie in an equal RB, too.

There, perhaps this is what i should have said. You gonna tell me that Webber is better than Bernie now??

[Mk1Racer]

Since I can't edit my response on my tablet I'll continue...

Webber at least can bring home the car in most cases. Again this is relative to Massa. If any of the top 10 drivers were in the same car as Vettel they would be giving him a much harder run for his money. Webber fills his role well for RBR as Massa has typically done at Ferrari except for this yr.

A bit of a stretch, don't you think? Are there guys out there that are better than Webber? Sure, but not 10 of them. Would Alonso, Hamilton, and Button do better in a RB than Webber? More than likely. Would Sutil, Rosberg, Petrov, Senna, etc.? Don't think so.

[Kidstar]

I was half in the bag drinking some beers on vacation...I'm surprised I typed something relatively coherent. That goes for my other post as well...

Shoot, watch my typing and you'd think I'm on vacation everyday...

You could say the same about Massa's career. He's at the front with a great car, at the rear with a bad car. Massa certainly has shown he can be fast and stay with the big boys, but I still think that Webber can do more with an average car than Massa. Doesn't make Webber a winner, but at least a better driver than Massa.

Agreed to certain degree. Massa sans his stint at Sauber, has always had good, if not great cars, only suffered badly for the past 3 seasons, and coming back from such trauma is a lonely road of indecision...second guessing, lifting early, apply early to overcompensate, nervousness... all plays on your mind and gets elaborated on track... So the fact that Webbo had 8 podiums in 09 to only 2 podiums the 1st 7 yrs of his career, to now where he is, is clearly indicative of his car. Massa has at least in my opinion, showed through his career he can stand in the shadow of a superior driver and even step out if needed... Owned Nick Heidfeld at Sauber and was under MS immediately after...

[kfzmeister]

...Webber is less sensitive when it comes to the car's characteristics. Mark simply needs 4 wheels, then he copes with it. However the car reacts, he adjusts. Vettel is not able to do this

I dunno. Like has been said even during his Championship run last season, his true abilities will be measured during times like right now, where the car is perhaps 3rd or 4th best and not a runaway train. Marko has been his biggest supporter, yet a comment like the one above doesn't sound too positive.

[Kidstar]

I dunno. Like has been said even during his Championship run last season, his true abilities will be measured during times like right now, where the car is perhaps 3rd or 4th best and not a runaway train. Marko has been his biggest supporter, yet a comment like the one above doesn't sound too positive.

I despise that guy!

[Jimmijackson]

He was on his way to pulling a similar result in Malaysia before the incident.