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    Thread: HPFP failure in common rail TDIs: Should I roll the dice with 1k left in warranty?

    1. Member DSG-TDI's Avatar
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      04-03-2012 06:35 PM #1
      Not sure how much TCL knows about this, but apparently the high pressure fuel pumps in the common rail TDIs have a tendency to tear itself apart and scatter metal shards all over the fuel system whenever contaminated diesel fuel or regular gasoline is put into the car. This is a $10k repair if and when it happens.

      My TDI is at 35k; warranty expires at 36k. I've been on the fence on what to do now for a few months. Basically I can:

      - Roll the dice and keep the car. I actually really like my JSW; Tons of space and can't beat the mpg in a non-hybrid platform. HPFP failures have occurred in only a very small percentage of CR TDIs sold in the U.S. So the chances that this will happen to me is very slim, but when/if it does, it's a giant sized headache. Plus, I don't have $10k laying around that I want to slam into my car if this does happen.

      I've been reading a lot of conflicting reports that A) this repair IS covered under the 60k powertrain warranty B) other parts related to the HPFP has nothing to do with powertrain, so it's only covered by the 36k warranty, so I'm screwed if this happens at 36,001 miles.

      - Get a hybrid/EV. I've test driven the Lexus CT200h, the Prius 3rd Gen and the Prius C. The Lexus was cramped on the inside and just sluggish; and I couldn't get over how ghastly and cheap the Prii interiors are. And before you say Jetta Hybrid, something about a VW hybrid scares me. But diesel is $4.20 and rising in my area and getting 55mpg + with regular gas is very tempting. Plus, I get to use the tolled HOV lanes for free during the morning and evening rush hour traffic in South Florida, a HUGE plus for me.

      - Get a fun gasser. My last two cars have been more practical than fun. My wife and I have no kids and 80% of the time, I'm by myself in the car. This is a huge unknown for me. Something small, fun and relatively efficient for $25-30k? GTI? Mustang GT? Mini?

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      04-03-2012 06:47 PM #2
      Just asked a service writer, and our warranty clerk. Covered under the 5/60k powertrain. We've seen a few come through, and that's how they're getting covered.
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      04-03-2012 06:50 PM #3
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      04-03-2012 06:50 PM #4
      Yup, My service dept confirms the same.

      Fuel pump (and anything contaminated by a failure) is covered until 5yr/60k miles under the pwoertrain warranty.

    5. 04-03-2012 07:39 PM #5
      They don't have a "tendancy". There is a very small chance of one going bad which does cause collateral damage but the odds are very slim.

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      04-03-2012 08:00 PM #6
      From what I read, is that as long as you buy good gas, i.e. not contaminated with water; the TDI will be fine.

    7. 04-03-2012 08:15 PM #7
      Just did one last week on an 09 sportwagen with 140k MILES under warranty....the pump is order blocked by VW... Technician has to call VW to get pump released and VW tracks the repair to ensure it is covered regardless of mileage or situation.. Go ahead and put gas in it and they WILL cover it

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      04-03-2012 08:18 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by b0mb3r View Post
      From what I read, is that as long as you buy good gas, i.e. not contaminated with water; the TDI will be fine.
      If you buy gas, you're guaranteeing it will happen.

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      04-03-2012 08:32 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Mosbius Designs View Post
      If you buy gas, you're guaranteeing it will happen.
      What you did there.... I see it!

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      04-03-2012 08:42 PM #10
      Keep the tdi, or trade it for another tdi since u seem to enjoy it.
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      04-03-2012 09:07 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by vwguru714 View Post
      Just did one last week on an 09 sportwagen with 140k MILES under warranty....the pump is order blocked by VW... Technician has to call VW to get pump released and VW tracks the repair to ensure it is covered regardless of mileage or situation.. Go ahead and put gas in it and they WILL cover it

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      If true, this is interesting..

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      04-03-2012 09:16 PM #12
      If you go by TDICLub's forums you'd think that half the TDIs are suffering from HPFP failures (and those that aren't are getting frozen intercoolers), but I think there's a bit of a confirmation bias effect going on over there. The NHTSA has had an open investigation into this for over a year now with no recall ordered and the TDIs continue to fly off the lots (and command ridiculous resale value), so I think it's safe to say that failures are rare, however much they suck for the individuals who experience them. Keep it, use quality fuel and a good lubricity additive, stay on top of maintenance and enjoy it!
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    13. 04-03-2012 09:17 PM #13
      Its true... Call a dealer and try to order the pump....when I call the tech hotline they release the pump and give me a list of required parts...with the pump I get a hazmat kit to send back a,fuel sample...they have never said what the sample is for or what the findings are.. And I have told them, hey this one is full of gasoline and their reply is... Doesnt matter we are covering it. I was told they dont want this to affect ownership or insurance costs.

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    14. 04-03-2012 09:52 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by vwguru714 View Post
      Its true... Call a dealer and try to order the pump....when I call the tech hotline they release the pump and give me a list of required parts...with the pump I get a hazmat kit to send back a,fuel sample...they have never said what the sample is for or what the findings are.. And I have told them, hey this one is full of gasoline and their reply is... Doesnt matter we are covering it. I was told they dont want this to affect ownership or insurance costs.

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      Put your flame suit on and tell this story over at the TDI forum. It would make for a good time.

    15. 04-03-2012 10:01 PM #15
      So there is a secret warranty on these? Interesting.

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      04-03-2012 10:06 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by vwguru714 View Post
      And I have told them, hey this one is full of gasoline and their reply is... Doesnt matter we are covering it. I was told they dont want this to affect ownership or insurance costs.
      Yeah, that didn't happen.

    17. 04-03-2012 10:49 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Mosbius Designs View Post
      Yeah, that didn't happen.
      Actually it did happen....one more than 1 occasion. My dealer has repaired a dozen or so of the 2.0 tdis and 1 3.0...ALL under warranty. Funny thing is we also have audi and havent had a single failure on thier side.

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    18. 06-05-2012 07:27 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by vwguru714 View Post
      Its true... Call a dealer and try to order the pump....when I call the tech hotline they release the pump and give me a list of required parts...with the pump I get a hazmat kit to send back a,fuel sample...they have never said what the sample is for or what the findings are.. And I have told them, hey this one is full of gasoline and their reply is... Doesnt matter we are covering it. I was told they dont want this to affect ownership or insurance costs.

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      This is a HUGE relief. I think I'm going to be buying a 2011 TDI in a few weeks and I really didn't want to have to worry about this. But I have spent a lot of time reading hpfp failure posts at tdiclub and I think it has made me paranoid.
      Last edited by jetta71; 06-05-2012 at 07:31 PM.

    19. 06-05-2012 07:30 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by vwguru714 View Post
      Its true... Call a dealer and try to order the pump....when I call the tech hotline they release the pump and give me a list of required parts...with the pump I get a hazmat kit to send back a,fuel sample...they have never said what the sample is for or what the findings are.. And I have told them, hey this one is full of gasoline and their reply is... Doesnt matter we are covering it. I was told they dont want this to affect ownership or insurance costs.

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      And this is how I'd expect a multi-national brand to react. What's a few dozen $10,000 engines to a multi billion-dollar company vs millions of dollars in (global?) bad PR (especially with the Toyota recalls only a few years ago).

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      06-05-2012 07:58 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by vwguru714 View Post
      Actually it did happen....one more than 1 occasion. My dealer has repaired a dozen or so of the 2.0 tdis and 1 3.0...ALL under warranty. Funny thing is we also have audi and havent had a single failure on thier side.

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      I thought the HPFP failures is an overblown issue and hardly ever ever happens
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    21. 06-05-2012 09:40 PM #21
      Ok, now you're just f-ing with me. : )

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      06-05-2012 10:39 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      I thought the HPFP failures is an overblown issue and hardly ever ever happens
      It is bound to happen 100% of the time when someone fills up with gasoline - even just a little bit.

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      06-05-2012 10:57 PM #23
      I want to get back into a TDI pretty badly, I traded my 2010 Jetta in for my TBSS...I'd keep the current car you have and roll with it.

      I have been browsing over on VWs website for a passat TDI but don't feel like dropping $30k on a car just yet.
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    24. 06-05-2012 10:58 PM #24
      That's why I am going to look for one of those gas caps that lock so I'm reminded every time I stop to fuel up that I need to fill it with diesel.

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      06-05-2012 11:04 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by jetta71 View Post
      That's why I am going to look for one of those gas caps that lock so I'm reminded every time I stop to fuel up that I need to fill it with diesel.
      There is no need, it says it on the dash, and about four times once you pop the fuel door.
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