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      04-04-2012 12:57 PM #2
      I just watched that vid, not surprised about the results. Its a tough comparison, the EVO is an amazing track car, the R with no esc defeat is going to be an issue, until a tuner comes up with a solution.

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      04-04-2012 01:12 PM #3
      Loved the video. As a Golf R owner I agree 100%.

      Every US Golf R owner should be livid that we're the only country with non-defeatable ESC.

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      04-04-2012 01:24 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by R32ManiaK View Post
      I just watched that vid, not surprised about the results. Its a tough comparison, the EVO is an amazing track car, the R with no esc defeat is going to be an issue, until a tuner comes up with a solution.
      I'm hoping one of our Canadian brethren might be able to help us with this.
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      04-04-2012 01:35 PM #5
      Great video! I agree with him completely since the R is a great and fun daily driver compared to an EVO. As far as traction control goes I can't comment on that because I have no track experience.

    6. 04-04-2012 01:38 PM #6
      You can pull the fuse to defeat the esc without disabling the haldex.

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      04-04-2012 01:43 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by eastcoastjettin View Post
      You can pull the fuse to defeat the esc without disabling the haldex.
      I'd like to keep my ABS brakes if you don't mind.
      Scotch. It's time.

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      04-04-2012 01:44 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Time for a GTI View Post
      I'd like to keep my ABS brakes if you don't mind.
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    9. 04-04-2012 01:48 PM #9
      Truth. I for some reason thought the ESC and abs fuses were separate though. There is a video somewhere on youtube of a US spec R in the snow with esc disabled and full brake functions iirc. And he does mention that he had to pull the esc fuse

    10. 04-04-2012 02:00 PM #10
      I wish they would do a test like this with a Canadian Golf R because my car can turn off the esp

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      04-04-2012 02:12 PM #11
      Even he was duped by the soundaktor
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      04-04-2012 02:20 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Alive By time View Post
      Even he was duped by the soundaktor


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      04-04-2012 02:29 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Time for a GTI View Post
      I'm hoping one of our Canadian brethren might be able to help us with this.
      I'll be at WitW with mine, so if no one has an answer by then hopefully someone can make something of that.

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      04-04-2012 02:40 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by BRSomm View Post
      I'll be at WitW with mine, so if no one has an answer by then hopefully someone can make something of that.
      i will also be there in my 4 door smurf
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      04-04-2012 02:49 PM #15
      I have no idea why VW decided American R's can't totally disable the stability control. Seems so weird why my Canadian R has the option and you guys don't get it. Hopefully this will be resolved with time and another review is completed.

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      04-04-2012 02:57 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by langis View Post
      I wish they would do a test like this with a Canadian Golf R because my car can turn off the esp
      I agree! It would be interesting to see the results. After discovering that our cars can turn it off. But I am still not surprised by the results

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      04-04-2012 03:24 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Alive By time View Post
      Even he was duped by the soundaktor
      Oh the hell I was! I knew it was there. The Euro R I drove last year didn't have it. This one did. Night, meet day. Day, meet night.

      In theory, fake engine sounds suck. In reality, they're a function of modern cars being so quiet when you're cruising. I'd rather have real, mechanical engine noise, but that makes it hard to sell cars... so manufacturers play tricks like this. (BMW's doing it on the N20-powered (4-cylinder) Z3 and, more famously, on the M5. Don't blame 'em - I unplugged the speakers on the M5 and it was way too quiet.)

      I don't mind the Golf R's SoundAktor. What I mind is the stupid Beetle Turbo and Jetta GLI, which make 5-cylinder noises. Still haven't gotten an explanation from VWoA on that.

      Meanwhile, seriously, no ESP OFF on the US-spec Golf R? I wanted to crash that thing into a wall because of it. Truth is my eyes welled up with tears when I handed in the keys to that Golf R. But I won't buy one until VW gives the option to fully disable ESP.

      Hope you guys enjoyed the video. And more importantly - enjoy your Rs. I'm jealous.

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      04-04-2012 03:44 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by BRSomm View Post
      I'll be at WitW with mine, so if no one has an answer by then hopefully someone can make something of that.
      You da man
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      04-04-2012 04:04 PM #19
      I watched the whole video in mute (I'm at work), but its pretty obvious the main knock against the R is the non-defeatable ESC.

      Frankly that is my only real disappointment with the R. I don't even plan on tracking my car but it would still have been nice to know that I have the option to drive nanny free.

      Hopefully, someone will be able to come up with a way to turn off ESC.

      The tuners should be able to get their hands on a Canadian R and compare the software. Do any of the Canadian R owners on this forum want to volunteer?

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      04-04-2012 04:10 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by 2ManyCars View Post
      Oh the hell I was! I knew it was there. The Euro R I drove last year didn't have it. This one did. Night, meet day. Day, meet night.

      In theory, fake engine sounds suck. In reality, they're a function of modern cars being so quiet when you're cruising. I'd rather have real, mechanical engine noise, but that makes it hard to sell cars... so manufacturers play tricks like this. (BMW's doing it on the N20-powered (4-cylinder) Z3 and, more famously, on the M5. Don't blame 'em - I unplugged the speakers on the M5 and it was way too quiet.)

      I don't mind the Golf R's SoundAktor. What I mind is the stupid Beetle Turbo and Jetta GLI, which make 5-cylinder noises. Still haven't gotten an explanation from VWoA on that.

      Meanwhile, seriously, no ESP OFF on the US-spec Golf R? I wanted to crash that thing into a wall because of it. Truth is my eyes welled up with tears when I handed in the keys to that Golf R. But I won't buy one until VW gives the option to fully disable ESP.

      Hope you guys enjoyed the video. And more importantly - enjoy your Rs. I'm jealous.

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      Is that really the dude from the video?? Seems legit haha

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      04-04-2012 04:32 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by 2ManyCars View Post
      Oh the hell I was! I knew it was there. The Euro R I drove last year didn't have it. This one did. Night, meet day. Day, meet night.

      In theory, fake engine sounds suck. In reality, they're a function of modern cars being so quiet when you're cruising. I'd rather have real, mechanical engine noise, but that makes it hard to sell cars... so manufacturers play tricks like this. (BMW's doing it on the N20-powered (4-cylinder) Z3 and, more famously, on the M5. Don't blame 'em - I unplugged the speakers on the M5 and it was way too quiet.)

      I don't mind the Golf R's SoundAktor. What I mind is the stupid Beetle Turbo and Jetta GLI, which make 5-cylinder noises. Still haven't gotten an explanation from VWoA on that.

      Meanwhile, seriously, no ESP OFF on the US-spec Golf R? I wanted to crash that thing into a wall because of it. Truth is my eyes welled up with tears when I handed in the keys to that Golf R. But I won't buy one until VW gives the option to fully disable ESP.

      Hope you guys enjoyed the video. And more importantly - enjoy your Rs. I'm jealous.

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      Apr's working on a software fix for this. Then smiles for everyone

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      04-04-2012 04:39 PM #22
      I haven't watched the video yet, as I'm at work. but I use to own a '10 EVO MR touring, it will be interesting if I agree with the video, but my personal opinion, is these two cars don't compare as one is manual and the other DSG, the R is a well balanced all around vehicle were my EVO was a sports/performance car in sedan clothing. I have a lot of respect for the EVO, but for a daily driver I prefer my new R.

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      04-04-2012 05:36 PM #23
      This guy just needs TechEd to show him how to drive the Golf R.

      Sideways is not the fastest way through a corner, nor the only way to have fun on at the track.

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      04-04-2012 06:07 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by 2012r View Post
      I have no idea why VW decided American R's can't totally disable the stability control. Seems so weird why my Canadian R has the option and you guys don't get it. Hopefully this will be resolved with time and another review is completed.
      Could be cause Canada's population is not 10% lawyers?

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      04-04-2012 06:07 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by keihin View Post
      This guy just needs TechEd to show him how to drive the Golf R.

      Sideways is not the fastest way through a corner, nor the only way to have fun on at the track.
      Found some short hairs to cling on to huh?

      Non-defeatable ESC sucks, period.

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      04-04-2012 06:12 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by keihin View Post
      Sideways is not the fastest way through a corner, nor the only way to have fun on at the track.
      maybe, but it's the best way to have fun at the track.

      I enjoyed that video, thanks Jason!

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      04-04-2012 06:30 PM #27
      This is the most disappointing thing I have seen about this car. I am buying it to ultimately track it, if i cannot simply turn off the ESC then it is useless to me.
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      04-04-2012 06:59 PM #28
      A few comments:

      - The Evo X MR or SE Touring is a stupid car. The GSR is the only Evo for this generation.

      - Nevertheless he totally nailed the Evo. He gets it, the good and the bad. Nothing else to say.

      - The lack of ESC defeat on the R is just ****ing stupid. We as R fans and owners shouldn't be making weak sauce excuses for it. Its just a big honking ridiculous problem.

      Thankfully, I won't be tracking the R as its just too expensive for me to risk on the track. That was actually true for me about the Evo X as well. I'll go buy a high mile VIII with a bunch of mods and put that on the track instead and enjoy the R with ESC enabled, with its wonderful demeanor on public roads.

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      04-04-2012 07:12 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by 2ManyCars View Post
      Meanwhile, seriously, no ESP OFF on the US-spec Golf R? I wanted to crash that thing into a wall because of it. Truth is my eyes welled up with tears when I handed in the keys to that Golf R. But I won't buy one until VW gives the option to fully disable ESP.

      Hope you guys enjoyed the video. And more importantly - enjoy your Rs. I'm jealous.

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      Great review, truly enjoyed it.

      I can appreciate your POV, but here's the real question. If the ESP was fully disabled, is the R faster around the track? Or is it just that in this car, driving rally style, throwing the car into the corner and powering through simply is off the table as a option? I've yet to see anyone on these pages talk about ponying up the 10Gs for some Ohlins and heading to the Maine woods. So while it might be a valid criticism that some of the fun has been capped, its not at all clear to me, particularly given the admittedly flawed C&D track testing results, that the car's lap times are in any real sense compromised on track given the inability to defeat ESP.

      I'd agree with you that its a shame we won't get the opportunity to explore the car fully unless someday we find a way to defeat ESP. But in my case, the car likely will never see a track. I have a dedicated car for that purpose, and frankly no fresh from the factory road with or without ESP will ever be comparable in the slightest to it. And so, the first half of your review is spot on and all that really matters to me. Personally, while I fully understand the desire to acquire a single road car capable serious track work, in the end I've yet to meet a car that has reasonably managed the compromises and been good enough at either.

      It would be nice to make our own decisions on ESP enablement, but I think we all know that for better or worse those days are rapidly drawing to a close here in the US. I suspect that in the very near future those who decide that nannie disabling is a make or break decision will have to be satisfied with buying used.

      Again, terrific review. After watching I'd simply suggest you buy the R and use the extra 8Gs for a beat up spec Miata.
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      04-04-2012 07:38 PM #31
      Ok, I finally watched the video, the only faults, I see in his review is he compares price on out the door and not MSRP, or the fact that I picked up my same spec'd EVO for 37k in Nov of 09 the week they released the touring in the US and that Mitsubishi doesn't make microwaves or if they do they don't sell them in the US. Is the interior on the R nicer looking and of better quality than the EVO, he'll yes, but with the leather interior in the EVO it's definitely nicer looking than the cloth, and the car is a joy to drive on such a different level than any other car at its price, you quickly forget to complain and hands down Mitsubishi's navigation system is a lot better than the one that is available in the R. The mfi in the EVO is full color and tells you exactly which wheels are getting how much power. I agree that the manual in the R is more enjoyable to drive than the dual clutch sst in the EVO, but the EVO's transmission is technically better and can shift faster than any man ever could, it is truly one of the best dcts out there at any price, but IMO any dct leaves you somewhat unattached to the vehicle and I think it is safe to say, that we all here what to be completely involved when driving a car.

      I think the fact that I drive an R now and not an EVO says more about me than it does about either car.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Gyntry View Post
      Where'd this info come from?
      I'd like to know as well. I want the software as soon as its available.
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      04-04-2012 08:46 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by 2ManyCars View Post
      Oh the hell I was! I knew it was there. The Euro R I drove last year didn't have it. This one did. Night, meet day. Day, meet night.

      In theory, fake engine sounds suck. In reality, they're a function of modern cars being so quiet when you're cruising. I'd rather have real, mechanical engine noise, but that makes it hard to sell cars... so manufacturers play tricks like this. (BMW's doing it on the N20-powered (4-cylinder) Z3 and, more famously, on the M5. Don't blame 'em - I unplugged the speakers on the M5 and it was way too quiet.)

      I don't mind the Golf R's SoundAktor. What I mind is the stupid Beetle Turbo and Jetta GLI, which make 5-cylinder noises. Still haven't gotten an explanation from VWoA on that.

      Meanwhile, seriously, no ESP OFF on the US-spec Golf R? I wanted to crash that thing into a wall because of it. Truth is my eyes welled up with tears when I handed in the keys to that Golf R. But I won't buy one until VW gives the option to fully disable ESP.

      Hope you guys enjoyed the video. And more importantly - enjoy your Rs. I'm jealous.

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      I only said that because of how stoked you were on the sound. You didn't mention it in the video which made me think you didn't know. It was a cool comparison though would you have picked a euro spec R over the MR?
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      04-04-2012 09:19 PM #34
      Fun review, Jason. Glad you ended by dinging the R for the non-defeatable ESP. Hopefully that will galvanize VW to release a software update or at least the tuning market will.

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      04-04-2012 10:10 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Tailwagger View Post
      I can appreciate your POV, but here's the real question. If the ESP was fully disabled, is the R faster around the track?
      Does that really matter? Most of us go to the track for (1) fun, and (2) to become better drivers. Non-defeatable ESP impinges on both of those.

      I never did track days to be the fastest car out there, or even to get the fastest possible time from my car – to that I could just hand the keys to a better driver. We’re not getting paid for lap times, we’re out there for fun and to learn to drive faster.

      I did all my track days in a ’95 325i which had only traction control, not ESP – and I turned that off. Knowing you’re one mistake away from a concrete wall makes you more cautious, and probably a safer driver. It’s not like ESP can protect you from all mistakes.

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