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      04-04-2012 04:27 PM #71
      And now i have a headache lol.. thats enough "negotiating" for today
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      04-04-2012 04:29 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by .:baker View Post
      look, You have VWUnion. that is great. i like the fact that there are 2 choices in a market as big as denver. We will never get along. that is the plain facts. heck.. people like Coca~Cola.. people like Pepsi... who cares. just do your thing; we'll do ours.

      Stop trying to force something that will never happen..

      But see this isn't true Jon. There's only you and a small few of MD members who do not want to get along with everyone else. In several of those texts people are saying a unified group would be nice with the exception of a few people And they give their personal reasons. You really proved nothing except that you're trying to further divide everyone.

      And "slander" by definition is unproven and/or false accusation meant to cause damage to a person or organization. Everything I've said is absolutely correct.

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      04-04-2012 04:30 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by VWunion Chad View Post
      this is probably not the best idea.. then there will be three clubs lol. we started VWunion to make it drama free so that would be the same idea as what we had

      Oh well....is it too early to start drinking?

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      04-04-2012 04:32 PM #74
      heather, you should come on out to a MetroDubs GTG.. i am sure you'll be shocked at the open and welcoming arms you are bound to see at them. Just ask Luke and Ronny and well.. a handful of your other vwuinon former members..
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      04-04-2012 04:35 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by pr_gti View Post
      Oh well....is it too early to start drinking?
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      04-04-2012 04:37 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by .:baker View Post
      heather, you should come on out to a MetroDubs GTG.. i am sure you'll be shocked at the open and welcoming arms you are bound to see at them. Just ask Luke and Ronny and well.. a handful of your other vwuinon former members..
      This isn't getting you guys anywhere....
      Baker I'll try to make it this Saturday, like I said I'm not a member of any group but I want too meet as many of you as possible

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      04-04-2012 04:38 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by .:baker View Post
      I'm glad we're still better than everyone else.

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      04-04-2012 04:38 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Shackelford View Post
      I'm glad we're still better than everyone else.
      haha!!! troof..
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      04-04-2012 04:39 PM #79
      Vortex mod you can close this. I tried to unify the group but looks like that's not happening. But what is happening is the all euro meet on Friday. I'm tired of this ****. Also baker Luke and Ronny aren't md members they show up to everything because they are also sick of this bull****.

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      04-04-2012 04:41 PM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by pr_gti View Post
      This isn't getting you guys anywhere....
      Baker I'll try to make it this Saturday, like I said I'm not a member of any group but I want too meet as many of you as possible
      thats great.. however.. this Saturday is April Pulls. so there isnt a GTG per say. several of the Edition 719 membes are going to drive up an djoin us after the Dyno day for a BBQ. you are welcome to come. Check out the info on face book. you dont need to like us to read whats going... so your fckyourcrew status will stay intact. ;-)
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      04-04-2012 04:41 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by MikeyDÜB View Post
      Also baker Luke and Ronny aren't md members they show up to everything because they are also sick of this bull****.
      and they are accepted with open arms. ;-)
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      04-04-2012 04:43 PM #82
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      Vortex mod you can close this. I tried to unify the group but looks like that's not happening.
      I do not think there is a reason to close this thread.. we are all just venting.. no one is calling anyone names. we are actually in the guide lines of the forums set forth by VWVotex.
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      04-04-2012 04:45 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by .:baker View Post
      thats great.. however.. this Saturday is April Pulls. so there isnt a GTG per say. several of the Edition 719 membes are going to drive up an djoin us after the Dyno day for a BBQ. you are welcome to come. Check out the info on face book. you dont need to like us to read whats going... so your fckyourcrew status will stay intact. ;-)
      Oh yeah I did read that...we'll shat, I love me some BBQ, ill do what I can to get out there

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      04-04-2012 04:45 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by .:baker View Post
      heather, you should come on out to a MetroDubs GTG.. i am sure you'll be shocked at the open and welcoming arms you are bound to see at them. Just ask Luke and Ronny and well.. a handful of your other vwuinon former members..
      Baker I've been to two of them - remember? The first time NO ONE said a word to me except Justin. The second time Juan was an absolute jerk and Mike was almost as bad. I was treated pretty poorly myself which is how I know why I'm talking about. On the other hand there are many Metro dubs members who are absolutely wonderful to be friends with. Unfortunately the ones who are terrible make it nearly impossible for me to want to go there again.

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      04-04-2012 04:46 PM #86
      Wow you guys.... Thank jebus that I'm getting out of this state soon.

      Nice try Mikey it was worth a shot
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      04-04-2012 04:46 PM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by pr_gti View Post
      Oh yeah I did read that...we'll shat, I love me some BBQ, ill do what I can to get out there
      cool. if not our GTG will return the week after! you can get with our Aurora crew to drive up together if you want as well!
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      Baker I've been to two of them - remember? The first time NO ONE said a word to me except Justin. The second time Juan was an absolute jerk and Mike was almost as bad. I was treated pretty poorly myself which is how I know why I'm talking about. On the other hand there are many Metro dubs members who are absolutely wonderful to be friends with. Unfortunately the ones who are terrible make it nearly impossible for me to want to go there again.
      heather.. i wish you had more than 2 times at a GTG. i know i remember talking to you at a GTG. you brought your kiddos... How long ago did you come to a GTG? many things have changed in the last year or so..
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      04-04-2012 04:57 PM #89
      That was the second one

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      04-04-2012 04:59 PM #90
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      heather.. i wish you had more than 2 times at a GTG. i know i remember talking to you at a GTG. you brought your kiddos... How long ago did you come to a GTG? many things have changed in the last year or so..
      And not THAT much has changed. One of those two people is still a member an STILL acts the same way - this is why he was banned from union. Both were banned actually, and for the reasons I've mentioned above. It's hard for me to justify driving an hour to a gtg where I don't feel comfortable. I actually quit the "scene" after that until I heard about union through the grapevine.

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      04-04-2012 05:05 PM #91
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      And not THAT much has changed. One of those two people is still a member an STILL acts the same way - this is why he was banned from union. Both were banned actually, and for the reasons I've mentioned above. It's hard for me to justify driving an hour to a gtg where I don't feel comfortable. I actually quit the "scene" after that until I heard about union through the grapevine.
      well, I cannot speak for either of them. but just like myself.. i come off rude and harsh when people first meet me.. but, as we get to understand our personalities, we get a better feel for what that person is really about.

      I hope you can see the heart and the passion that I have in everything i do for the Colorado Scene. From organizing huge shine and shows to great drives and former caravans to Wuste, to little GTGs and everything in between. I am proud of what i have done. No one can take that away from me. I am proud of what MetroDubs means to our members. I am proud that people still support the CLUB and our other members to this day.

      I am sorry that i have so much pride. I have too much time, money and effort in MetroDubs to just see it go away. MetroDubs is my child, i want it to grow to the best in the world! haha!
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      04-04-2012 05:09 PM #92
      these are just clubs or organizations. we participate to have fun and out do the other for bragging rights. No one is getting paid for this. this is a passion of everyone reading this; club affiliation or not.

      Also, what makes a VW club any different than people picking different schools to attend? or football teams to root for? does that make them any less of a person.. (well unless you are a Raider fan.. haha! kidding) no it does not nor should it.

      i will go on the record... people do not like me. people that do not know me, like me even less. Please come to a MD GTG and talk to me.. I am open to discuss anything anyone wants.. good bad or otherwise.
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      04-04-2012 05:19 PM #93
      I know -but you are too afraid to make someone not
      Like you that you don't Stand up for the rest of your members. You allow the bullies to continue so that they'll stay members and not dislike you. That's the main problem I have with it. As a club member of ANY club I want to hang out with people who are positive and although they might not agree with something on my car they can tell me without harassing or belittling me.

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      04-04-2012 05:28 PM #94
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      I know -but you are too afraid to make someone not
      Like you that you don't Stand up for the rest of your members. You allow the bullies to continue so that they'll stay members and not dislike you. That's the main problem I have with it. As a club member of ANY club I want to hang out with people who are positive and although they might not agree with something on my car they can tell me without harassing or belittling me.
      heather... someone needs to tell me this is going on so we can all take care of it. I had no clue you felt this way about your 2 times at a MD GTG until today. I am sorry you felt belittled and attacked. that is not the goal or acceptable for the mission of MetroDubs. we have clicks in the club, sure.. that is everyplace.. but last weekend we had 12 cars show up. everyone was talking with everyone else. we almost broke out an acoustic guitar. haha! i am kidding.

      Seriously. I do take how people feel very personally. I do talk to those that irritate and upset other members. Ask STI Rob for starters.

      Hey, you are a part of VWUnion. Good, use what you felt and learned from your short stay with MD to make the FTC GTGs good big and welcoming.

      I too am tired of all the endless drama.. but honestly; it's only on Vortex. We rarely talk about VWUnion at a gtg, if at all. We do not talk about it on the forums or facebook page.

      Here.. lets do this.. Wuste is a Colorado thing. Initially, we all thought we were parking together. No one from VWU came to anyone in MD to say.. hey, lets park together. It took Larry (Kicker) and a few from MD to take the first step in Colorado parking..

      After that... VWUnion does their thing. MetroDubs does ours.. simple.. stop high-jacking each others threads. stop trying to publicly "join forces" just agree to be separate entities. I want MD to be the BEST. VWU is a fast growing club.. okay... so??
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      04-04-2012 05:31 PM #95
      [QUOTE=.:baker;76742818]can someone please explain what i am doing soooo wrong?

      Baker,

      You can take this in which ever way you want. Its not a personal bash its just how you are and I have excepted this and for the most part keep it to myself.

      First off, you get involved in things that do not directly relate to you and you go around speaking to these assumptions that personally in the end make you look like a fool.
      Some of which I am directly involved in and others that did not relate to me, I was able to sit back and watch.

      Your reputation is so bad that it is hard to be associated with you. I think that your drive for what you have is great, but you need to let go at some point. And based on your reputation it effects MD the same.

      You show up in posts (not relating to you or MD) just to be a pain in the ass. You hang on to the past way to much.(my personal opinion)

      I think this to 2 clubs trying to get along is only to benefit the members and it more than likely will not work due to the hatred you 2 share for each other. Chad at least says he will step down, now you Baker will not. At some point you need to realized that you have successfully failed only in the regards that have a tarnished reputation. Your ideas are great, but that is all you have.

      In the business world you can have the best product/service and if your reputation is ****, then you have basically just that. Sure you have a few followers and you have your close friends, but for the majority, you will not have them back.

      I think the question you should be asking is what can I do to fix what I have done wrong. The wrong is done.

      And to prove your direction of MD and where is possible is going, Lance with BEST. Where is he and what happened? His reputation is what happened.
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      04-04-2012 05:40 PM #96
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      can someone please explain what i am doing soooo wrong?

      Baker,

      You can take this in which ever way you want. Its not a personal bash its just how you are and I have excepted this and for the most part keep it to myself.

      First off, you get involved in things that do not directly relate to you and you go around speaking to these assumptions that personally in the end make you look like a fool.
      Some of which I am directly involved in and others that did not relate to me, I was able to sit back and watch.

      Your reputation is so bad that it is hard to be associated with you. I think that your drive for what you have is great, but you need to let go at some point. And based on your reputation it effects MD the same.

      You show up in posts (not relating to you or MD) just to be a pain in the ass. You hang on to the past way to much.(my personal opinion)

      I think this to 2 clubs trying to get along is only to benefit the members and it more than likely will not work due to the hatred you 2 share for each other. Chad at least says he will step down, now you Baker will not. At some point you need to realized that you have successfully failed only in the regards that have a tarnished reputation. Your ideas are great, but that is all you have.

      In the business world you can have the best product/service and if your reputation is ****, then you have basically just that. Sure you have a few followers and you have your close friends, but for the majority, you will not have them back.

      I think the question you should be asking is what can I do to fix what I have done wrong. The wrong is done.

      And to prove your direction of MD and where is possible is going, Lance with BEST. Where is he and what happened? His reputation is what happened.



      Well said man! Very Very well said baker I'm not on anyones side but you really do need to leave the past in the past!

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      04-04-2012 05:41 PM #97
      Russ, No hard feelings. Thank you for the honesty.. Can i ask you a question? You know me on a personal level, maybe a bit less over the last year or so... but why can't someone like yourself say, "you know, Baker isnt that bad. Get to know him; you'll see" or something along those lines.

      The majority of people only know me by what they hear about me. Sure; I am guilty of high-jacking threads. I am sure that out of context; i come off very dickish, rude and with an FU attitude. That is how black and white text reads. I wish i could express more emotion, humor or sarcasm in what i post. But I am not that way. I am direct and to the point on threads, texts and in person.

      Have i screwed up in the past, made mistakes, and tarnished some aspects.. sure.. no doubt in my mind. However, it takes a bigger person to overlook the transgressions of my past and see why I am doing and what we all are doing for the current and future...

      Hey, i will make more mistakes over the remaining years of my life. Some will be minor, some will not. But i still get up, hold my head high and try to move forward. I wish people like yourself, Heather and others would see that and try to motivate and help me push on... But then again; I do not want to come off as "woe is me" and have a little pity party here. ;-)
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      04-04-2012 05:44 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by .:baker View Post

      stop trying to publicly "join forces" just agree to be separate entities.
      Sadly - there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. The wedge.


      To the OP - I agree with you, as does chad and I'm sure 99% of union as well as probably 85% of MD. I know Saturday woul he good for our foco chapter at least once a month. Idk where otamyway's warehouse is, but I think we should give it a shot. Promote the crap out of it and see who comes. The people interested in creating a unified scene will show, those who don't can stick to themselves... The "cliques" so to speak. Let's do it. Those who come - awesome. Those who won't - well - screw em.

      Get the location squared away, post the thread and I will cross post it.

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      04-04-2012 05:48 PM #99
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      Sadly - there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. The wedge.


      To the OP - I agree with you, as does chad and I'm sure 99% of union as well as probably 85% of MD. I know Saturday woul he good for our foco chapter at least once a month. Idk where otamyway's warehouse is, but I think we should give it a shot. Promote the crap out of it and see who comes. The people interested in creating a unified scene will show, those who don't can stick to themselves... The "cliques" so to speak. Let's do it. Those who come - awesome. Those who won't - well - screw em.

      Get the location squared away, post the thread and I will cross post it.
      thus says the kettle. ;-) kidding. Look read this thread.. it is obvious that there are 2 clubs. period. I am sorry i have to be the messenger and point that out. By no means am i wedging anything.

      If you decide to have a GTG on Saturday evenings; there is the wedge.. "pick us.. not them" Personally.. Have it on Saturday; draw that line; create that divide....

      MetroDubs GTG has been Saturday at 6pm in Arvada since early 2005. enough... this is a broken record.
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      04-04-2012 05:52 PM #100
      I had a dream like two nights ago i had a house on the upper part of a warehouse and the bottom was full of vee dub parking

      BTW A warehouse photoshoot would be sick!
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      04-04-2012 05:54 PM #101
      LOL who's head will assplode when i mention that this reminds me of the good ol'days of B.E.S.T. VW Club, Edition719, and DZ.

      Hey speaking of which what's Lance up to these days?
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      04-04-2012 05:56 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by SCIROCCO SPEED View Post
      LOL who's head will assplode when i mention that this reminds me of the good ol'days of B.E.S.T. VW Club, Edition719, and DZ.

      Hey speaking of which what's Lance up to these days?
      haha!!!
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      04-04-2012 05:57 PM #103
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      Russ, No hard feelings. Thank you for the honesty.. Can i ask you a question? You know me on a personal level, maybe a bit less over the last year or so... but why can't someone like yourself say, "you know, Baker isnt that bad. Get to know him; you'll see" or something along those lines.

      The majority of people only know me by what they hear about me. Sure; I am guilty of high-jacking threads. I am sure that out of context; i come off very dickish, rude and with an FU attitude. That is how black and white text reads. I wish i could express more emotion, humor or sarcasm in what i post. But I am not that way. I am direct and to the point on threads, texts and in person.

      Have i screwed up in the past, made mistakes, and tarnished some aspects.. sure.. no doubt in my mind. However, it takes a bigger person to overlook the transgressions of my past and see why I am doing and what we all are doing for the current and future...
      Baker,

      Your not a bad person in general. Nobody is, we all have friends and haters, but your dick moves, make you what you are.
      If you write up a post and read it to yourself and can honestley say "this is going to come a cross in a negative way" then you have to option to change it up or let it be, you tend to let it be and then explain. It comes across as "well if you are questioning my motive, then I will make you think it was less than it really is, when it is not.

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      04-04-2012 06:07 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Shackelford View Post
      I'm glad we're still better than everyone else.
      hahaha its a good thing we dont let babies and whiners hang out, or it would start sucking too

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      04-04-2012 06:09 PM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by .:baker View Post
      If you decide to have a GTG on Saturday evenings; there is the wedge.. "pick us.. not them" Personally.. Have it on Saturday; draw that line; create that divide....

      MetroDubs GTG has been Saturday at 6pm in Arvada since early 2005. enough... this is a broken record.
      I really wasn't thinking about the md meet. I'm thinking from the aspect of several of our guys are in school at wyotech during the week and we'd all be coming all the way from foco. On weeknights I would suck to have to drive through Denver rush hour traffic. I also said once a month, not every week. Saturday nights are also MY chapter meeting nights in foco, which I was offering up in order to help create a unified club - it isn't "choose us" or "choose them". I'm trying to help facilitate this in any way I can. I think that if you're still wanting to fight it then there's really no reason for you to keep posting in this thread as its OP was tryin to help unify things as well.

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