one of 50? really? oh now one of 40. $13995!?!?

[16V_Scirocco_GTX]

Rear indentation for tag for second motor. Hmmm, must be that my 84 was one of these fabled twin engine bodies, and the 86 I cut the rear of in the junkyard must have been one too. What are the odds of that?

[crazyaboutrocs]

Rear indentation for tag for second motor. Hmmm, must be that my 84 was one of these fabled twin engine bodies, and the 86 I cut the rear of in the junkyard must have been one too. What are the odds of that?

Yeah, and every one of them that I've owned.

[CodeMan]

"Hi John: I do not know which VW/P mag it was (if you do not find it, it might of been in Road & Track or Car & Driver: had subsc. to all of them). I believe there is an easy way to tell the std Scirocco body to the twin engine body: open the rear hatch & the area to the right of the hatch latch on the rear panel (not the hatch) there is an indentation with 2 holes for the rear engine code tag. This panel was one of the parts that was different when we checked the VW parts. Unfortunately, VW no longer has Scirocco parts listed, and I do not know if they are even available unless you know someone that works for VW. I did not think of taking pics when the tank was out, wish I had. A 1992 Scirocco is still a Scirocco II, there may even be all wheel drive versions. I lived in New Jersey where VW's US headquarters are, and there were a lot of odd VWs sold there. They sold S2 8V turbos, and I had one of 500 1991 Passat wagons w/ synchro and a 190hp 16V turbo motor, 5 speed manual, Corrado shifter, Bilsteins, Fuchs forged wheels, euro height, etc. They only sold them in the North East part of the country. I bought a 1978 Scirocco new, and it had an aluminum hood. Reason I am selling my Scirocco, is that I plan to move to Florida soon and the cost of shipping the car there is a bit much, but if I do not sell it, I will keep it. Earl"

Puff, puff, pass, Earl.

[plastic_bullet]

I started a thread in the regional forum and a few people know the car. Hopefully they can shed some light on this.

They are just messing around, every one that post a ''who owns this car'' thread, they all belong to a guy named dave and his stories of drug running, rape and murder soon follow. All of it, as im sure you can guess, is made up...

[ziggirocco]

I have had a lot of cars shipped, and the last one from fla to Plattsburgh ny cost about 800-1000, if I was moving I would ship it or at the least rent a trailer and pull it. I call bs, especially with some of the other examples or vw he has had??

[87REDROCC]

I've seen this car in person as I used to live in Kent it is very clean but I think this is Bs to list it as he has without founded proof of info as to the claims made

[jiffyjetta]

Some truth to the story, but his car is just another Scirocco.

[plastic_bullet]

I dont think any one doubted that a twin engine scirocco existed. Some very good info you posted though. Now of some body could find production information to back up his claims of 40 of them being put back into production...


I just thought of something. He said 5 were built and 5 were started, and his has ''rear subframe mounts'' wouldnt that mean his car wouldve been 1 of the 5 that were never completed?

[jiffyjetta]

The guy probably believes that his car was actually one of them.

[Twinrocco's]

Throw-in a full tank of high test gas.. an I'll take- it

[ziggirocco]

Looking at some of the engine bay pics in the trunk, I was reminded that the rear shock towers were pretty much the same a the front towers, if this was the case and his had subframe mounts would the body not have been made with the same larger front style shock towers at the back as well? Supposed subframe mounts really mean nothing, and if you have a car this rare then you would surely take a pic.

[16V_Scirocco_GTX]

They are are the same. Some article mentions that the easiest way for them to build it was to take the front section of a Scirocco and weld it into the back. It has the front a-arm mounts too. Looks like a MK1 engine bay mounted in the trunk of a MK2.

[MK1SRocc]

Some good information there. As the '83 Bi-motor is one of my all time favorites, I have gathered some info on it too. Figured I'd share.

Pictures of the final resting place, Wolfsburg Museum



Exterior Shots. Now, where can I find some 15x8 Centra wheels??? So nice, with the subtle wide body treatment.





Interior Shots




Rear engine install shot. Notice the fabled "rear sub-frame mount" (on the left), not exactly hidden by the fuel tank.


Front engine, so it doesn't feel left out. Notice the throttle control unit on the right side of the bay, an extra vacuum servo behind the battery. Don't know if they ever got this to work properly. It would have been cool if they had.

In theory, the rear engine's throttle was directly controlled by the go pedal. The front engine was controlled relative to the rear. The front / rear bias could be adjusted via a slider on the center console. It could be adjusted from 100% front and 100% rear, to 50% front and 100% rear.


More articles I have found.

[Nightfox]

So perhaps my eyes and/or reading skills aren't as good as they used to be but this guy is claiming that the car was built from some sort of special chassis used to house a twin engine setup that was then converted back to one engine? Has anyone yet emailed him to umm... "verify" his data?

I remember reading something about a twin-engine Scirocco at one point.. I just found an article here:
http://jalopnik.com/5721237/the-dual...that-never-was

[ziggirocco]

Too bad there is no video!!

Btw I just thought of something...... The seller mentioned subframe mounting points, there was no subframe on the twin or even our single engine cars.

[16V_Scirocco_GTX]

There are a couple bars extending from the trailing arm mounting points, but those might not really qualify as a full on subframe

Nice pics BTW, in the one you can clearly see how they implanted the front end into the trunk - they even left the openings for the tie rods in there.

[techfx]

I'd rather buy Durocco.

[DUBSfightinRUST]

I wonder what magical fueling and management system he is using to get those numbers? In theory he would have to run ITB's and some sort of aftermarket management to get those numbers out of a 9a at that bore and stroke.

Hey , at least he got this forum all stirred up with his ridiculousness. I guess the whole "twinrocco" thing wasnt so special after all!

[Paul@VWvortex]

Well hey, it seems that the original ad is now down and the new one is here with a new lower price of $11,995.

[microdub98]

This dude is a clown.... two ad's, completely different . Someone please go to his house & shoot him in the face w/ some rock salt loads please!

[jiffyjetta]

"270+ hp at crank at 12,000 rpm red line"
I would love to see this make an attempt at 12,000 rpms

[scotttu]

If only I had the time I would drive over there, it's a 1.5hr drive or a 1hr ferry ride.

I co uld play dumb and ask if I can come look at it, then show up in the Barley Burner and ask him to show me all these mount points (camera in hand)..

Then inform him that he's the laughing stock of vwvortex...

[scirocco*joe]

"FOR SALE: 1987 VW Scirocco 16V 5 speed $13,995.0
Engine was torn down in 2008, and all gaskets, seals, timing belt, and v-belts were replaced, no visible wear or ridge on cylinder walls. This was to stop oil leaks caused by the high oil pressure. This is a low usage car, and has very few miles on it since this was done.

Low usage car?!?! 200k on the clock and 50k in the last 4 years is not LOW usage!

Reason I am selling my Scirocco, is that I plan to move to Florida soon and the cost of shipping the car there is a bit much, but if I do not sell it, I will keep it. Earl"

So, he'll spend $15k restoring the car, but won't spend $600 shipping it to Florida?

Oh and John, if the car isn't it that magazine, it's in another magazine. I promise! I just can't remember which, I have so many subscriptions...

[vwovw]

are those really ferrari wheels?

[CodeMan]

They aren't from a Ferrari, they are called Momo Ferrari.

[TBerk]

eh, I read somebody just insured a Volvo Scirocco. Now That is an ultra stiff chassis...

[Paul@VWvortex]

I wonder what happened to get this thing banned by the "IRA" as well??

[euroteknique]

ok in the description it says
windage tray and crankshaft oil scrapers






the vw motorsport windage tray and scraper seem like overkill or makes the scraper almost useless

[Mtl-Marc]

the vw motorsport windage tray and scraper seem like overkill or makes the scraper almost useless

At 12000 RPM, you might need it.

[DUBSfightinRUST]

Hey, at least the magazine articles are interesting. Pretty funny , I can only imagine how the automive press received that car. Now it probably would not even get a sidebar in the news section.

Thank you to those of you who posted them!

[plastic_bullet]

Just caught this... the known durocco's do not have sunroofs/escape hatches

[scotttu]

So I emailed him to ask him what documentation and mentioned a few things (That I read above LOL) - anyway wanted to knwo what documentation because without it it's just a 16v, it's all in the documenation.

Notice how it doesn't require a shred of evidence since he replaced it?

His response:

Hi Scott: You are probably correct in some ways about Rally Sciroccos, except these bodies were "recycled" back into production at Karman, meaning they were rebuilt back to standard bodies where they could. There was an article all about these cars in Road & Track, Car & Driver or VW Porsche in 1986 that showed the cars and gave details of how they worked, and why they were banned. When this car was recalled for the leaking plastic fuel tank, the dealer could not get the steel tank to fit because of the brackets (looked like triangles with big hole thru each). I surmised they were mounts for a subframe since that would be the logical way to mount a rear drivetrain, I never saw the underside of the car in the article. I got nurfed in the rear panel a couple of years ago, and decided to replace it instead of fixing it. This panel was twice the price of a standard one, and came in a box marked VW Motorsport, checking the paper trail, it did come from there. I did not say this is a Rally Scirocco, only that it has a recycled body from one.
I lived in NJ where VAG headquarters are, and they sold a lot of odd cars there. I bought a 78 Scirocco new that had been ordered by a VAG employee, who changed his mind and bought one from the dealer. It had an aluminum hood, doors, and hatch, 4 wheel disc brakes, etc. I had one of 500 1991 Passat wagons sold in the 5 state area around NJ that were synchro, 2L turbo 16V motors, Bilsteins, Euro height, etc. Ever see a 8V turbo Scirocco 2? They made several 1000. Enjoy your VW's they are great cars! Thanks for the info! Earl

[d-bot]

Why cannot people spell SYNCRO correctly EVER? There is no "H". That said, if you owned one, and had a clue what you owned, then you could spell it.

[16V_Scirocco_GTX]

Several 1000 8v turbo Sciroccos

[d-bot]

Anyone else notice their advanced jacking system with a hi-low/fork lift?