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    Thread: *Warranty225cpe*Franken turbo F23 build... Like you didn't see this coming...

    1. 04-05-2012 07:48 PM #1
      Well, I couldn't hold off anymore. The car is sitting in the garage in a puddle of its own goodness. It's been 3 weeks since the turbo gave its last breath. I ordered the turbo from Doug, but I'm super sketched out about the rod situation. So today I went ahead and ordered a set of 20mm rods from IE. I might be over prepping, but oh well. Id rather be over prepared than needing new rods/motor We will be doing new piston rings as well as rod bearings and some other little things We will be adding a catch can and cleaning things up a bit.
      The car is going to my buddies shop as soon as parts start to arrive. This build will HOPEFULLY be documented by my him along the way. I'll give strict instructions to take pics for a "propper DIY" or a good beating




      BTW, before any of you guys decide to tell me "why I should just go big turbo", save that
      I'm building a daily driver with 300whp/300wtq as the goal.

      Oh and E85 is the next step, so who knows where we will end up.

      Big thanks to Doug and Max for the direction and stellar support
      For real, "BIG UPS!"
      Last edited by warranty225cpe; 04-05-2012 at 07:51 PM.

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      04-05-2012 09:11 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by warranty225cpe View Post
      BTW, before any of you guys decide to tell me "why I should just go big turbo", save that
      I'm building a daily driver with 300whp/300wtq as the goal.

      Oh and E85 is the next step, so who knows where we will end up.

      Big thanks to Doug and Max for the direction and stellar support
      For real, "BIG UPS!"
      That makes two of us homie, guess we'll see whose turns out better!

      Jk! Im excited to see this! Youll be done before I am, so maybe youll run into some quirks along the way that I can avoid from your thread!

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    3. 04-05-2012 09:15 PM #3
      ou really should have done a pagparts kit.... I know one guy that might be selling his set-up .

      But for real, I think the F23 is going to be a great turbo for you! I will be watching this build for sure. .


      PS: Big turbos are not !!

    4. 04-05-2012 11:32 PM #4
      E85 and F23 is one nasty combo for the streets if done right! You already got half of the "done right" by doing rods and such, I'll be watching the results!

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      04-06-2012 01:53 AM #5
      make videos and give us dyno sheets . . . what state are you in ? I want a ride haha

    6. 04-06-2012 06:46 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Tempes_TT View Post
      That makes two of us homie, guess we'll see whose turns out better!
      Jk! Im excited to see this! Youll be done before I am, so maybe youll run into some quirks along the way that I can avoid from your thread!
      I'm not one to compete over who's got more powa
      But I AM all about learning from others to lessen the growing pains of an upgrade like this.
      Quote Originally Posted by 20psi now View Post
      ou really should have done a pagparts kit.... I know one guy that might be selling his set-up .
      But for real, I think the F23 is going to be a great turbo for you! I will be watching this build for sure. .
      PS: Big turbos are not !!
      BTs aren't BS, the disruption to my thread with BT conversation IS.

      Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Aurelius View Post
      E85 and F23 is one nasty combo for the streets if done right! You already got half of the "done right" by doing rods and such, I'll be watching the results!
      Thanks buddy. You've been instrumental in this so far. I'm sure I'll be needing your help along the way

      Quote Originally Posted by jason bouchard View Post
      make videos and give us dyno sheets . . . what state are you in ? I want a ride haha
      I'm in Florida. I'll see if there are any dynos around once I get a "base tune".

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      04-06-2012 06:53 AM #7
      I am wanting to do this same setup..... So I will be following

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      04-06-2012 08:00 AM #8
      Im so glad your doing this man! Have you decided what software your going to use and what size injectors and such? Sorry man im excited becasue I have been stock piling parts as well

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      04-06-2012 08:09 AM #9
      Will be following. sounds like a good combo. You have a lot of E85 stations down there in south FL. Closest one to me(Daytona) is 30min away

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      04-06-2012 10:40 AM #10
      Good to hear your working on a nice and reliable street setup. Big turbo setups never last for long without buckets and buckets of cash due to the whole idea that you can never have too much power.

      I will be watching this

    11. 04-06-2012 09:04 PM #11
      Yeah I'm going to plan on Maestro as far as tuning. For right now, we'll see what it feels like with my APR 93 flash. I'm sure it will suck, but it is what it is for now. I'm taking baby steps since this wasn't really a planned venture. At least I have the big and painful issue getting sortTed first (rods). If I go with Maestro I can start with a base file and eventually try a 1.8t E85 file and tune from there. I've never had a lap top so I have zero experience with logging data or tweaking the ecu. Let's hope that doesn't bite me in the ass.

    12. 04-07-2012 11:18 AM #12
      Just bought my IE rods this morning. I also bought their valve cover and block breather adapters. We're going to be adding those to a 42dd stealth can. I'm trying to figure out how I can get get braided lines to run for the can, that will thread into the 10AN fittings. I also picked up the Hose Candy master fitting kit and the master hose kit.

      That's today's update

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      04-07-2012 11:25 AM #13
      Skip braided and just run push on fittings. No need for da braid, and this way, the hoses are....wait for it...........black!

    14. 04-07-2012 11:33 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by 20v master View Post
      Skip braided and just run push on fittings. No need for da braid, and this way, the hoses are....wait for it...........black!
      that should work. I'm just trying to get rid of as many hose clamps as possible. I guess if I go with push on, I need to find fittings that will thread into the 2 fittings from IE. any idea what fittings I can thread into the IE stuff? Really only need 2 90* bends. One from the valve cover, and one from the block breather.
      Last edited by warranty225cpe; 04-07-2012 at 11:38 AM.

    15. 04-10-2012 09:06 PM #15
      Trying to figure out the injector situation. I have 2 questions..

      1. If I plan on running E85 what size injectors will I need with the maestro software?
      2. If I buy big injectors for an e85 tune, can I use the big injectors to run a 93 file as well?


      Parts should start arriving Thursday

    16. 04-10-2012 09:59 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by warranty225cpe View Post
      Trying to figure out the injector situation. I have 2 questions..

      1. If I plan on running E85 what size injectors will I need with the maestro software?
      2. If I buy big injectors for an e85 tune, can I use the big injectors to run a 93 file as well?


      Parts should start arriving Thursday
      1. 630cc at 3.5 to 4.0 bar of rail pressure would cut it for the F23. With that said, 750cc and 830cc would give you some headroom and space to grow if needed!

      2. You can use the big injectors for the 93 file or whatever floats your boat, you just need to adjust fueling with Unisetting or lemmiwinks to account for the different stoichometric value.
      Last edited by Marcus_Aurelius; 04-10-2012 at 10:02 PM.

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      04-11-2012 09:57 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by warranty225cpe View Post
      that should work. I'm just trying to get rid of as many hose clamps as possible. I guess if I go with push on, I need to find fittings that will thread into the 2 fittings from IE. any idea what fittings I can thread into the IE stuff? Really only need 2 90* bends. One from the valve cover, and one from the block breather.
      Don't know the size of the IE fittings and too lazy to look. Just go to Summit or Jegs and you can start filtering the fittings down by M/F, thread size, color, push barb, etc.

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      04-11-2012 10:10 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by warranty225cpe View Post
      Trying to figure out the injector situation. I have 2 questions..

      1. If I plan on running E85 what size injectors will I need with the maestro software?
      2. If I buy big injectors for an e85 tune, can I use the big injectors to run a 93 file as well?


      Parts should start arriving Thursday
      What Marcus said except you can adjust through Maestro and it's really easy. You just change the injector constant to account for the additional fuel required by e85. Make the ECU think the injectors are smaller than they are and they inject the additional fuel needed because it increases the amount of time they are open for.

      For example I run my 900cc injectors at 4bar, yielding around 1000cc of injector. I tell Maestro they are 707cc which is 30% smaller than they are and makes them add the additional fuel I need.
      Last edited by Doooglasss; 04-11-2012 at 10:14 AM.
      -Doug

    19. 04-11-2012 10:57 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by DougLoBue View Post
      What Marcus said except you can adjust through Maestro and it's really easy. You just change the injector constant to account for the additional fuel required by e85. Make the ECU think the injectors are smaller than they are and they inject the additional fuel needed because it increases the amount of time they are open for.

      For example I run my 900cc injectors at 4bar, yielding around 1000cc of injector. I tell Maestro they are 707cc which is 30% smaller than they are and makes them add the additional fuel I need.
      I basically wrote what you just posted but then edited my original post because I realized that Eric was talking about making big injectors work for the time being with his F23 on pump gas until he gets Maestro.

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      04-11-2012 11:54 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Aurelius View Post
      I basically wrote what you just posted but then edited my original post because I realized that Eric was talking about making big injectors work for the time being with his F23 on pump gas until he gets Maestro.
      Ahh didn't catch that part!
      -Doug

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      04-11-2012 12:46 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Aurelius View Post
      1. 630cc at 3.5 to 4.0 bar of rail pressure would cut it for the F23. With that said, 750cc and 830cc would give you some headroom and space to grow if needed!

      2. You can use the big injectors for the 93 file or whatever floats your boat, you just need to adjust fueling with Unisetting or lemmiwinks to account for the different stoichometric value.
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    22. 04-11-2012 03:53 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by coachvtt View Post
      STOICHOMETRIC! SOUNDS LIKE A SEX POSITION....I'LL ASK HER TO TRY IT...

      Yo "E" how about that red head the other night....ha ha ha...short with a huge rack!
      Not sure who your talking about..

      Hopefully not your date at Barrett Jackson. I was gonna call you the next day to find out how that happened. That chick was a wombat!

    23. 04-12-2012 06:26 PM #23
      Update!!
      Got home from work today and had a sweet surprise









      The turbo seems like a very nice quality piece. The TIP is huge! Surgery is planned for Monday.
      I'm a little dissapointed in the lack of a sticker in the box though..
      I NEED A STICKER DOUG!!
      Last edited by warranty225cpe; 04-12-2012 at 07:12 PM.

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      04-12-2012 09:09 PM #24
      Aww, that's cute. The compressor is even bigger than the turbine AND the inlet is almost as big as the ext. WG! J/K. I'll admit, I'm jealous with my lowly K03 daily driver.

    25. 04-12-2012 09:22 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by 20v master View Post
      Aww, that's cute. The compressor is even bigger than the turbine AND the inlet is almost as big as the ext. WG! J/K. I'll admit, I'm jealous with my lowly K03 daily driver.
      Yeah, it's not big turbo material. But it the perfect size for my needs. Once I get a fuel pump, injectors and an e85 tune, I'm SET!
      I'm not sure what kind of numbers I'll be looking at as far as HP/TQ. But I will be more than happy with anything in the 300/300 range. That's the magic number for a daily in my book. What do you guys think I would dyno with a mild/conservative e85 tune..? 350hp/330tq? (gives me the chills just thinking about it)

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      04-12-2012 09:29 PM #26
      I love builds
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...t-done-I-guess
      ^^^Big Turbo build lots of pics^^^
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      04-12-2012 09:31 PM #27
      300whp is fun for a little hopefully you don't get board and what more.that's what happen to me
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      04-12-2012 10:20 PM #28
      Yeah, 300 is fun, for a while. You'll have rods, so then 400 isnt out of reach. Next thing you know its a stroker, and a tube mani, and and and.

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      04-12-2012 10:23 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by warranty225cpe View Post
      Just bought my IE rods this morning.
      Were you able to get the rods from them?? I was told two days after my order was placed that Id have to wait 6 to 8 weeks... and that was about 4 weeks ago! Hopefully thats no the case with you!

      In any case, Im super jealous! Cant wait to see that thing in action!!
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      04-12-2012 10:26 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by 20v master View Post
      Yeah, 300 is fun, for a while. You'll have rods, so then 400 isnt out of reach. Next thing you know its a stroker, and a tube mani, and and and.
      Its true lol!!
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      04-13-2012 09:47 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by warranty225cpe View Post
      Not sure who your talking about..

      Hopefully not your date at Barrett Jackson. I was gonna call you the next day to find out how that happened. That chick was a wombat!
      Probably Wombat but huge "tits" too funny

    32. 04-13-2012 05:58 PM #32
      Some new additions in the mail today







      A couple more things on the way. The car gets towed to the shop on monday

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      04-13-2012 09:22 PM #33
      How much are all of the parts? What's the cost of labor (when you get the car back)?

      Looks good so far
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    34. 04-13-2012 09:28 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Chuckmeister87 View Post
      How much are all of the parts? What's the cost of labor (when you get the car back)?

      Looks good so far
      Best labor rate I've ever heard of. $54hr

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      04-13-2012 09:31 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by warranty225cpe View Post
      Best labor rate I've ever heard of. $54hr
      Da fuuuuuuhhhh??? Where do you live??? Audi heaven?!?!?!
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