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    Thread: Video: Teen Hit and Run driver hits bicyclist, flees, gets trapped by bus

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      04-06-2012 03:28 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Captain Spongeworthy View Post
      Who the hell cares about the law or fault, is it worth getting crippled to prove a point? Cars hit other cars all the time, it is your job to look out for youself when you ride a bike. You being right according to the law doesn't mean **** when you lay in bed paralized. Car vs bike, who do you think always wins? Common sense.....


      Ride where you instinctively know is the safest path. Your evolutionary survival instinct doesn't lie.

      I would never ever ride in the middle of a lane with a row of cars behind and zooming past like depicted in the video, even if I had the right to do it.

      My spidey sense is tingling just watching the video.

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      04-06-2012 03:29 AM #52
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      Leaving satisfied.

      Seriously though, props to the bus driver
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      04-06-2012 04:01 AM #53
      The driver was in no way morally, ethically or legally right; with that said that bicyclist deserved it.


      There is no reason, law or not, why he needed to be in the middle of the lane. If there is some new law that states they can take the whole lane that guy was being no more than troll in doing so to exercise his right and say "hey look at me i can do this".
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      04-06-2012 04:05 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by Iroczgirl View Post
      A little off topic perhaps. But it does go to show that they have camera's all over the friggin' place!

      Good thing I go far, far away to hide on my weekends.
      Back when I had my e30 with it's leaky radiator I went to go pick up my sister from a play practice she had at school in Allentown where they have cameras are all over the place. Anyway the practice took way longer than it was supposed to and I was bored just sitting in the parking lot so I decided to check the coolant level to see how far it had dropped on the drive over so I got out, popped the hood and a few minutes later I was surrounded by three police cars for trying to steal my own car. I don't know if they use the same system in Bethlehem but considering they're sister cities I wouldn't be surprised.

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      04-06-2012 04:06 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by genjy View Post


      Ride where you instinctively know is the safest path. Your evolutionary survival instinct doesn't lie.

      I would never ever ride in the middle of a lane with a row of cars behind and zooming past like depicted in the video, even if I had the right to do it.

      My spidey sense is tingling just watching the video.
      This. The Accord driver was a complete idiot and got what he deserved. However, so was the cyclist for riding like that. There seemed to be several cars swerving around him. You can be following a car at normal speed, the car ahead who wasn't paying attention swerves at the last second, and BAM. There's a bike in front of you who might as well be standing still in the middle of a lane. It doesn't matter if he's allowed to ride there by law, he's dumb for doing it. No matter who's at fault, you're still the one under someone's tires. I can ride my bike just about anywhere except a freeway around here, but I value my life enough to ride safely.

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      04-06-2012 04:35 AM #56
      The new pa law protecting bicyclists simply encourages stupidity like this from cyclists. While I haven't ridden much this year I usually commute thousands of miles annually by bike ( I run now) so I'm not simply a driver. Just because I can take up a whole lane doesn't mean the laws of physics change for me. I would ride in the side lane on that bridge.
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      04-06-2012 04:43 AM #57
      Kind of wondering if the byciclist on the video and the people commenting for him learned anything from this incident........
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      04-06-2012 04:52 AM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by TigerinColorado View Post
      x 2 I love that bus driver.
      Yes, the bus driver was great. So was the silver car car that snugged right up onto his rear bumper to keep him from backing out.

      Im not going to get into the biker crap. I ride on the road and do not take a full lane because Va doesnt say I can. He followed the rules and I hope that teen goes to jail for something like attempted vehicular manslaughter, or whatever. TCL bikes on the road threads always break down into chaos.
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      04-06-2012 04:53 AM #59
      Here are cyclists views on the subject btw:
      http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdispl...acy-amp-Safety
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      04-06-2012 05:21 AM #60
      I wonder what kind of upstanding parent raised this ****head to have absolutely no sense of self-responsibility and to think it's okay to run away after hitting someone with a car.

      Short of hauling the parent off to jail too, they should double the fine for minors. Make the parents pay their fair share for raising an useless little twit.

    11. 04-06-2012 05:40 AM #61
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      On another note... I hate cyclists who can't go the speed limit and choose to impede traffic. Pay road tax, go the speed limit, or get on the FFFF sidewalk!
      You know what's more of a pain in the ass than slowing to a cyclist's speed while you're in your car?

      Dodging friggin' cyclists as a pedestrian on the damn sidewalk!
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      04-06-2012 05:40 AM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Illegal to ride on the sidewalk or pedestrian bridge.
      But he could have gotten off and walked the bicycle... but then again, he has the right to do as he pleases in traffic.
      That's the most screwed up part of this whole thing! The bike was moving about the same pace as a runner. So why not allow them on the pedestrian bridge? Is a cyclist really going to hurt a pedestrian more than a car will hurt a cyclist?

      I mean why build a huge concrete barrier if stuff like this is still going to happen?


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    13. 04-06-2012 05:47 AM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by kimilein View Post
      I wonder what kind of upstanding parent raised this ****head to have absolutely no sense of self-responsibility and to think it's okay to run away after hitting someone with a car.

      Short of hauling the parent off to jail too, they should double the fine for minors. Make the parents pay their fair share for raising an useless little twit.
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      04-06-2012 06:28 AM #64
      Fact of the matter is, pay attention when you drive! If you don't preoccupy yourself with text messages, phone calls, eating, girls putting on their makeup, or anything you are doing other than looking where you are driving and paying attention to what's around you, things like this are going to happen.

      From the car point a view, you can say anything you want about how slow a cyclist is going, or how far into the lane he was, but if you have one dead under your car, it doesn't matter. A dead cyclist under your car I imagine is hard to explain how it's the cyclists fault. Do cyclist do stupid ****? Yes I have seen them riding in large packs, riders outside of the designated bike path in lanes of traffic, some not stopping at stop signs, or red lights, and that's where being more of a defensive driver helps you out. You have to assume that every other car, cyclist, and even person walking is an idiot, and you have to protect yourself from idiots.

      From the cyclist side of things with taking up a whole lane, I ride on the streets and would most likely ride to the side of the lane like normal. I think it gives me more of a chance to not get killed by some not paying attention, car driving retard. Unfortunately, even when cyclist ride in the designated bike lane, cars still drift over the line into the bike lane and take cyclists out so you have to protect yourself as a driver of a motor vehicle and pay attention. It's your only line of defense if something happens out of the ordinary, paying attention will give you more time to react to a situation.

      I will say to everyone saying cyclists should stay on the sidewalk, well it's actually harder to see cyclist on the sidewalk then the street being that on sidewalks there are hedges, bushes, trees, and fences all partially blocking the view of a cyclist riding the sidewalk. And it's illegal, so that ends that topic.

    15. 04-06-2012 06:40 AM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by dman624 View Post
      Fact of the matter is, pay attention when you drive! If you don't preoccupy yourself with text messages, phone calls, eating, girls putting on their makeup, or anything you are doing other than looking where you are driving and paying attention to what's around you, things like this are going to happen.
      The fact of the matter is that none of us know if any of these things are true in this instance. People are just selfish and impatient. Living in South Florida makes me MISS New Jersey in terms of driving; people down here not only do not care about your safety they do not care about their own and drive like absolute maniacs.

      A teenaged driver should suffer exponentially greater fines and either go through driver training again or be reassessed altogether as to whether or not to have their license revoked.
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      04-06-2012 06:46 AM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
      The fact of the matter is that none of us know if any of these things are true in this instance. People are just selfish and impatient. Living in South Florida makes me MISS New Jersey in terms of driving; people down here not only do not care about your safety they do not care about their own and drive like absolute maniacs.

      A teenaged driver should suffer exponentially greater fines and either go through driver training again or be reassessed altogether as to whether or not to have their license revoked.
      Good call, I was going to mention the selfish/impatient thing as well, but it's 3am here and forgot after I wrote that out

    17. 04-06-2012 06:51 AM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by dman624 View Post
      Good call, I was going to mention the selfish/impatient thing as well, but it's 3am here and forgot after I wrote that out
      It's OK; at 6 AM my brain isn't firing on all plugs either and I agree with your statements otherwise.
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      04-06-2012 07:24 AM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by Captain Spongeworthy View Post
      Hit and run is bad, but what the hell was the byciclist doing on that road?
      Do you expect him to levitate over the river? It was a bridge you idiot. Think for 2 seconds before you post and you'll get and answer to your own question.
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      04-06-2012 07:28 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by 2Cor View Post
      The new pa law protecting bicyclists simply encourages stupidity like this from cyclists. While I haven't ridden much this year I usually commute thousands of miles annually by bike ( I run now) so I'm not simply a driver. Just because I can take up a whole lane doesn't mean the laws of physics change for me. I would ride in the side lane on that bridge.
      Gimme a friggin break. Grow up dude.

      The guy had every right to be in the lane. When you hug the right on a narrow road, you set yourself up for people to try and squeeze past 2 by 2. You're just asking for even more trouble. The cyclist was right to take the lane, it's a mutli lane road, cars can use the left. This just happened to be an unfortunate circumstance where a knucklehead hit him in spite of him being in clear and direct view of drivers. If he were in the left lane than you have all the right in the world to question his actions.
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      04-06-2012 07:39 AM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
      Turn in your license if you need lights to see what's in front of you in broad daylight.
      Agreed.

      Quote Originally Posted by xombiesarelove View Post
      There's no such thing as a bicycle thread in TCL that ends well.
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      Quote Originally Posted by 1Point8TDan View Post
      The bicyclist is an idiot too for riding near the middle at times. Appears to have been hit near the right side but still. I see a perfectly good pedestrian bridge...
      That's illegal.

      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Illegal to ride on the sidewalk or pedestrian bridge.
      But he could have gotten off and walked the bicycle... but then again, he has the right to do as he pleases in traffic.
      If he is only capable of going that fast, he probably should have walked the bike.

      Quote Originally Posted by nm+ View Post
      Because it forces drivers who are actually paying attention to pass properly instead of sharing a lane that is too narrow to safely share.

      Bicycles don't get rear-ended often, they get side-swiped.

      In this thread: TCL proves how little they know about bicycle safety. It isn't common sense if you just drive a car.
      Agreed. There is not enough room for safely passing a cyclist in that lane without using the other lane. Riding in the middle makes sure nobody tries. Again, if he is only capable of that speed, he should have been walking the bike.

      Quote Originally Posted by GLI Dan View Post
      The driver was in no way morally, ethically or legally right; with that said that bicyclist deserved it.

      There is no reason, law or not, why he needed to be in the middle of the lane. If there is some new law that states they can take the whole lane that guy was being no more than troll in doing so to exercise his right and say "hey look at me i can do this".
      Deserved it? Really? Glad I don't share roads with you.


      I think that a lot can be said about our drivers from threads like these. Spend a week on a bike in traffic with other cars and get back to us.

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      04-06-2012 07:43 AM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by GLI Dan View Post
      The driver was in no way morally, ethically or legally right; with that said that bicyclist deserved it.

      There is no reason, law or not, why he needed to be in the middle of the lane. If there is some new law that states they can take the whole lane that guy was being no more than troll in doing so to exercise his right and say "hey look at me i can do this".
      Actually, riding with traffic is, statistically, the safest place for a cyclist besides a dedicated bike lane. And where else would you suggest he ride? On the sidewalk - where the majority of bike accidents with injuries occur, filled with pedestrians? Way over on the gravelly margin of the lane, where the Accord can sideswipe him? It's a bridge; the lanes are narrow and there's no room for a bike lane. The safest possible place for him is spang in the middle of a lane. He's got plenty of space and drivers are forced to pass him, instead of sideswipe him. Obviously, there can still be problems with that, but if there's no shoulder, bikes should always take a full lane, and that's the law in a lot of places.

      Why is he a "troll" for following the signs and taking a full lane in a constricted situation like a bridge? He'd be an idiot to do anything else. Are the Amish just trollin' when they take their buggies out? I realize a lot of people have a snit fit about bikes inconveniencing them and being all uppity and stuff, but they're legal road users with clearly defined rights - one of which is using as much of the lane as they need in a given situation. Obviously, it'd be great if every road had a bike lane, but that's not the case. And just like with emergency vehicles, construction, wildlife, Amish buggies, and road hazards, it's up to you to respond appropriately if something is obstructing the lane, or just travelling slowly in it.
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      04-06-2012 08:01 AM #72
      I agree. He needs to take that whole lane or he's going to invite people trying to squeeze by two by two.

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      04-06-2012 08:06 AM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      Do you expect him to levitate over the river? It was a bridge you idiot. Think for 2 seconds before you post and you'll get and answer to your own question.
      Oh no, what should I do, I am dealing with a rocket scientist here.... Do humanity a favor, please go ride your bike on that bridge preferably at 3am on a Sunday. Keep in mind that according to the law it's perfectly legal to be right in the middle of the lane.

      Quote Originally Posted by MatchStick View Post
      I agree. He needs to take that whole lane or he's going to invite people trying to squeeze by two by two.
      Or use common sense and walk across because even though it's legal to ride on that bridge it's dangerous....
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      But driving off was a big mistake... if you get caught.
      so if you don't get caught it's all right, nice

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