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    Thread: Arin stage 2 not able to pass ny inspection

    1. Member ViRtUaLheretic's Avatar
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      04-16-2012 12:03 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Bpete View Post
      Did my homework, just a bad product and eveyone knows it. Put a fnnnn cat on your down pipe that works, put two, the factory did it, just don't sell your cat as some BS high flow crap that is actually totally inefficient and cant pass crap. I should have bought a 150 ebay DP and beeen just as good. ARP and the rest, tell people what is really going on, and stop the HP war and give us a goood product. I am so not able to give this a thumbs up and don't have the time for the" find out later that I fffed up". I was at the tuner for the reflash and I was not the only one that seems to not do his or her homework, APR is a huge and knowledgeble firm, don't tell me you have not figured out many people live in urban areas and have to smog or the equiviant. Your market is where people need to get to work with their tune, we all don't live at the drag strip, buttholes are you listening?
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    2. 04-16-2012 12:38 PM #27
      vertualidiot seems more appropriate, so that gives me an A in this class.

    3. 04-16-2012 12:52 PM #28
      Grow up. You modified your emissions equipment, and now have a problem passing emissions testing... Can you please link me to where APR guarantees you will pass emissions testing in all 50 states with their product?

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      04-16-2012 12:53 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Bpete View Post
      Did my homework, just a bad product and eveyone knows it. Put a fnnnn cat on your down pipe that works, put two, the factory did it, just don't sell your cat as some BS high flow crap that is actually totally inefficient and cant pass crap. I should have bought a 150 ebay DP and beeen just as good. ARP and the rest, tell people what is really going on, and stop the HP war and give us a goood product. I am so not able to give this a thumbs up and don't have the time for the" find out later that I fffed up". I was at the tuner for the reflash and I was not the only one that seems to not do his or her homework, APR is a huge and knowledgeble firm, don't tell me you have not figured out many people live in urban areas and have to smog or the equiviant. Your market is where people need to get to work with their tune, we all don't live at the drag strip, buttholes are you listening?
      To be fair, APR should have info on what's gonna be needed to pass in state X. Not sure what regs NY has, but I know there a few tuners that just flat out won't deal with CA because of how tough the emissions are there. And if they're selling their products there, they do have a responsibility to do their own homework and make sure it's going to pass when it says it will.

      I do however agree that some more research could have been done on the OP's part to make sure he was getting what he paid for. expensive mistake unfortunately, but just do what any good VW owner would, use word of mouth, and tell people directly about your experiences, don't just rail on the internet. I'm sure someone you know will see your car sometime and ask you what you did, and you can be happy to tell them about how well the car performs with a (non-APR) downpipe.

      tl;dr I feel your pain, but deal with it.
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      04-16-2012 01:11 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by toddhought View Post
      To be fair, APR should have info on what's gonna be needed to pass in state X.
      There's no way for APR to daily know what the laws are in every county or city in every state. We are also a global company, so technically we would need to state the laws for every single country (which may also be broken down to to the city like some places in the US). It's just simply impossible and not something we could ever do or ever keep up.

      So, that said, the solution is simple:

      Quote Originally Posted by APR Terms of Service
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      We make no claims as to emission performance for street or highway use. Some equipment is not sold for street use in any state or country where state or federal regulations prohibit its use. Some items listed in the online catalog are intended for off road use only. APR, LLC does not make any claims of street legal use of these products that are not intended for use on public roads.
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      04-16-2012 01:31 PM #31
      ^ LOL, someone's going to throw a hissy fit now.
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      04-16-2012 01:57 PM #32
      Considering most manufacturers of adult-oriented products have had to do their homework to know that Alabama is the one state in the union where they cannot sell their products, one would think that an Alabama-based company would do similar homework to make sure they can comply with other municipalities.

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    9. 04-16-2012 03:32 PM #34
      That's great. I will deal with it. Good luck to everyone else in my situation, as you can see there is really not much help from the manufacturer to work towards a solution. I will remove the POS downpipe and install the factory unit and take it from there. Thanks to everyone who did offer genuine advice.

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      04-16-2012 04:38 PM #35
      There is a solution and it's quite simple. Flash to the non-test pipe file, and use a RAI Jetted "J" spacer. It works perfect and has kept my CEL off for 10k miles and passed me through PA emissions with zero "not ready" codes thrown.

      You could probably even just switch back to the factory tune with the spacer and run it that way for a day, then pass fine. This isn't APR's problem, it's yours for not knowing your county's emissions laws and assuming that the vendor caters to every individual in the world.

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      04-16-2012 05:45 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Bpete View Post
      vertualidiot seems more appropriate, so that gives me an A in this class.
      oooh name calling, very origional.
      Go sell your VW and buy a Honda.
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      04-16-2012 08:24 PM #37
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      04-16-2012 11:20 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Bpete View Post
      That's great. I will deal with it. Good luck to everyone else in my situation, as you can see there is really not much help from the manufacturer to work towards a solution. I will remove the POS downpipe and install the factory unit and take it from there. Thanks to everyone who did offer genuine advice.
      I'm not picking sides here but why are you saying its a POS downpipe just because you can't pass NY emissions? It never claimed to be emissions friendly anywhere in its description and it would be up to the user to determine if it will be an issue in their current location.

      As the TOS stated, its usage is not verified for use on public roads as is true with almost all aftermarket engine/exhaust modifications. Even springs, sway bars and most suspension mods give the same disclaimer.

      these companies are providing solutions for people that want to modify their cars, but they dont make claims anywhere that it will be street legal after doing so.

      If you want to keep your mods you should have been prepared to set aside one day to swap a bunch of stock parts back and revert to a saved stock tune for emissions purposes each year if your altering equipment, unless you know someone that would pass you either way.

      where in NY are you located btw?
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    14. 04-17-2012 08:18 AM #39
      I get the tuner thing and the fact that these cars are modified and all the other obvious stuff, what I don't get is why manufacture a product like the down pipe with a cat if it does vertually nothing. If it is just there to say it has a cat and now can pass the visual great. But the cat on APR's down pipe really is not very good at cleaning things up from an emissions stand. APR's 3' down pipe is expensive and I bought it with the hopes it would give me the best chance, that turns out was a naive mistake. Are there any aftermarket down pipes that have better more efficient cat(s) that can come close to what was on the car? I think I know thw answer to that one, and will probably just put the stock cat on and put it in stock mode and get through the process. I guess in the perfect world my tune would have a emissions mode that would in combination with my current hardware get it back to factory specs, pass the test then go back to stage 2 and have fun.

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      04-17-2012 08:51 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Bpete View Post
      I get the tuner thing and the fact that these cars are modified and all the other obvious stuff, what I don't get is why manufacture a product like the down pipe with a cat if it does vertually nothing. If it is just there to say it has a cat and now can pass the visual great. But the cat on APR's down pipe really is not very good at cleaning things up from an emissions stand. APR's 3' down pipe is expensive and I bought it with the hopes it would give me the best chance, that turns out was a naive mistake. Are there any aftermarket down pipes that have better more efficient cat(s) that can come close to what was on the car? I think I know thw answer to that one, and will probably just put the stock cat on and put it in stock mode and get through the process. I guess in the perfect world my tune would have a emissions mode that would in combination with my current hardware get it back to factory specs, pass the test then go back to stage 2 and have fun.
      Most high flow Cat's don't do jack to be honest, if anything they get rid of the usual smell that a "de-catted" exhaust gives off. The purpose of a 2.5 or 3" DP replacement is to increase exhaust airflow and reduce the amount of bends/restrictions along the way. If they put a Cat that WAS supposed to do everything the stock one does, it would be pointless to install a larger DP. Its a give and take unfortunately with this stuff.

      PM me where in NY you live...i might have a solution depending on your location.
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      04-18-2012 07:30 AM #41
      I am a huge APR fan, for many many years now. I knew flat out living in NY there are emissions issues on the mkvi. There were two options. Get a 3" system like the APR and find my own spacer solution or go with a company that guarantees no cel using their pipe which is AWE. Granted its the cat/spacer combo they use that does it but as long as you follow the install instructions they will work with you to keep the CEL off.

      APR makes no such claim, never has. To blame the company when you failed to do your homework isn't right. I had one beef with APR when I thought they didn't have a program that kept both o2 sensor tests active but that was someone working there who didn't know they can work with you on that. Within minutes of posting that thread Arin came in and corrected his employee and had a nontestpipe file ready for my car. Within MINUTES. If that is not some of the best customer service I have ever seen...

      Give them a break bro, get the AWE or get a few different types of spacers and figure it out yourself.


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    17. 04-18-2012 08:19 AM #42
      Okay, thanks everyone, I got now.

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      04-18-2012 11:49 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by ViRtUaLheretic View Post
      oooh name calling, very origional.
      Go sell your VW and buy a Honda.
      The Honda would pass !!!!

    19. 04-18-2012 12:51 PM #44
      yeah, that is what the other dude suggests as his must of passed

    20. 04-18-2012 08:49 PM #45
      honda sucks been there done that

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