ESC control defeat flash coming soon...

[GenMan]

Service advisor at my dealer says that there is going to be a flash coming out soon, if not already that will disable the ESC like our friends north of the boarder have.

I will believe it when I see it, but that is what he said. NO this is not a April fools joke.

[Siliconrane]

What will they be reflashing? Which Control Module? If it is the ECM . . . . then all of us tuner folks are Fuxored.

[droopy1592]

What will they be reflashing? Which Control Module? If it is the ECM . . . . then all of us tuner folks are Fuxored.

But then APR will find a way to include it

[GenMan]

What will they be reflashing? Which Control Module? If it is the ECM . . . . then all of us tuner folks are Fuxored.

Not sure, He said that recalled seeing a email about it in the last few weeks.

[DaLeadBull]

If this is true then I guess we can thank Motortrend for this!

[Lamfalus]

If this is true then I guess we can thank Motortrend for this!

That's what I was thinking.

[peruski]

Hope it's true.

[VWFORLIFE2012]

For some reason I hope this is true. I'll probably never track my car and having this feature will probably never effect me. But since I know others can i want to be able to, too.

[vweatsvtec]

I hope this isn't a lie!

[homercles337]

But then APR will find a way to include it

Ha ha, sure APR will lie to you and say there is a way to include it. Then you will give them some money, and the douche called Arin will put it in his pocket and do nothing. APR is not a company to be trusted. I would not trust APR with refilling my washer fluid.

[webcrawlr]

Ha ha, sure APR will lie to you and say there is a way to include it. Then you will give them some money, and the douche called Arin will put it in his pocket and do nothing. APR is not a company to be trusted. I would not trust APR with refilling my washer fluid.

Your APR bashing is getting old. You don't like APR, we get it. Move on.

[Bikepusher]

I would think VW has to address ESC issue, Golf R being the one of their top performance cars.

[Dawg90]

I would think VW has to address ESC issue, Golf R being the one of their top performance cars.

The R or R32 has never been meant for the track the way an EVO or STI are, so I don't think this is as high a priority for VW.

Flaws aside, I'm glad the R is designed the way it is, street car first - after all you can mod a street car into a track car, but you can't make an STI or EVO into a comfortable, refined street car.

[droopy1592]

Ha ha, sure APR will lie to you and say there is a way to include it. Then you will give them some money, and the douche called Arin will put it in his pocket and do nothing. APR is not a company to be trusted. I would not trust APR with refilling my washer fluid.

As long as you stay away from the orange stuff it's ok

[EsqR]

What will they be reflashing? Which Control Module? If it is the ECM . . . . then all of us tuner folks are Fuxored.

If I understood correctly from the people I spoke with, the ESP is located in the ABS module of the car, so it shouldn't affect any tune you might have on the ECM.

[specialkk43]

Your APR bashing is getting old. You don't like APR, we get it. Move on.

x2

[betterthansx]

Ha ha, sure APR will lie to you and say there is a way to include it. Then you will give them some money, and the douche called Arin will put it in his pocket and do nothing. APR is not a company to be trusted. I would not trust APR with refilling my washer fluid.

I love people who bash. For no good reason either. What have they done to you? You probably just have your panties in a twist because everyone loves APR and you just want to be different.

[specialkk43]

Nah I remember him saying in another thread that he had a bad experience with them, I just don't remember exactly what it was. But like webcrawlr said... it's getting to be a little bit much.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience, and I understand you never want to purchase anything from them again, but bashing them without actually backing your statements up in a clear and concise manner just makes me tune out what you have to say... which I think is the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish.

[R tattack]

Service advisor at my dealer says that there is going to be a flash coming out soon, if not already that will disable the ESC like our friends north of the boarder have.

I will believe it when I see it, but that is what he said. NO this is not a April fools joke.

In another thread someone posted that it was a federal mandate that all 2012 and newer U.S. cars have non-defeatable ESC. If this is true it's not VW's fault and we won't be seeing any help from VW or dealers.

[Lamfalus]

In another thread someone posted that it was a federal mandate that all 2012 and newer U.S. cars have non-defeatable ESC. If this is true it's not VW's fault and we won't be seeing any help from VW or dealers.

Except it isn't true.

[DaLeadBull]

Before we get too ahead of ourselves, has anyone confirm this ESP flash to be true?

[webcrawlr]

In another thread someone posted that it was a federal mandate that all 2012 and newer U.S. cars have non-defeatable ESC. If this is true it's not VW's fault and we won't be seeing any help from VW or dealers.

It is law but the law doesn't say the user can't choose to turn it off. The new 2013 viper has ESC that can be tuned AND turned off. A 600hp RWD car can have ESC disabled but a sub 300 AWD car can't?

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...er_first_look/

Some adaptations were unavoidable. Stability control is now mandated by law, so for the first time ever, it's standard on the Viper. Anticipating the potential blowback, SRT says its engineers spent nearly as much time developing the stability control system as they did the rest of the car. The goal was to create a system that would help drivers when needed without their noticing. It even does a bit of torque vectoring with the brakes to keep wayward drivers out of ditches. Of course, if you're feeling brave, you can always just turn the system off and try your luck.

[goforit2007]

So does this mean this will be a dealer freebee to fix?

Anyone know?

[Lamfalus]

So does this mean this will be a dealer freebee to fix?

Anyone know?

This is all nothing but hearsay from *1* source. We hope it's true of course but let's not get ahead of ourselves. In the mean time a VAGCOM will do the trick apparently.