Doing an SBR. Help with form info

[foxtrot762]

Hey I'm doing it...I've decided to buy a Draco and SBR it. Now I need to fill out some forms but I'm unclear as to which ones I need to fill out. As far as I know, I think it's just Form 1 and Form 4. Are there any other forms to do?

Also what else do I have to do in addition to the forms and sending $200 in? Is there anything I can do to make this a smoother process? Get fingerprinted? Get a passport photo and attach it to the forms? I would appreciate any info from someone who's done this before.

Obin, I'm looking at you since I'm fairly certain you've been through this process before and you live in my state. I thought you might have some insight on this. Thanks

[Obin Robinson]

Are you going to do a trust? FWIW I just moved to Texas (but I'll be back in VA in a few years).

obin

[personman]

Obin is in Texas? Uh-oh.

If you're ever in Austin let me know, I'll buy you a beer.

[foxtrot762]

Are you going to do a trust? FWIW I just moved to Texas (but I'll be back in VA in a few years).

obin

Eh...not sure about the trust. I suppose I could...I just don't know anyone I'd care to handle the gun while I'm not around.

[Obin Robinson]

Is this your first NFA stamp?

obin

[foxtrot762]

Is this your first NFA stamp?

obin

Yes but it won't be my last, I'm sure. I'm already thinking suppressed Draco SBR

[Obin Robinson]

Are you going to be doing the work yourself or is there any gunsmith involved?

obin

[foxtrot762]

Are you going to be doing the work yourself or is there any gunsmith involved?

obin

I don't know how involved it will be so right now, the plan is to have a gunsmith do it. If all it takes is some drilling with a drill press, I'm sure I can handle it. I have a buddy who works in a metal fabrication shop and has access to those kinds of tools.


Also I can't tell for sure but I think this is the same stock as the one pictured. Based on the price for this one ($239), I'd have to say it's the real deal. Are the Russian Triangle folding stocks of good quality and will it work for my project?

[Obin Robinson]

The russian folding stocks are pretty nice. I would certainly use of of those. Even easier to do would be to find a Romanian side folding mechanism. Much less work involved. My question has to do with who is doing the work because that makes a big difference as to how you fill out the Form 1. For example here is what I put on my ATF Form 1 (5320.1)

1. a ($200 tax paid)
2. Individual
3. My full name and address
3d. County (they get picky about that)
3e. My land line number
4a. FEG, Budapest Hungary
b. Short Bb. Rifle
c. 7.62x39
d. AMD 65
e. 16.5 (later amended to say 12.5)
f. 35 (later amended to say 31)
g. (the serial number of my gun that was stamped on it from the factory)
h. (the original markings present on the gun from the importer)
i. FOR ALL LEGAL AND LAWFUL PURPOSES
5. my C&R License Number (if you don't have one then leave this blank)
6. left blank, I am not a Class 2 SOT
7. no, no, no, no, etc
8. no, no, no, no, etc
9. my signature
10. blank
11. the date
12. a passport photo which was taken at the local Walgreens13. this part was filled in by the local Police Chief

I had two copies of these done. BOTH got mailed out to the ATF along with the fingerprint cards, and the letter of compliance. I included a cheque for $200 and waited... and waited... and waited... and then a few months later I was good to go. I brought the gun to a local trophy engraver and he engraved "OBIN ROBINSON, VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA" under the receiver right by the magwell.

If someone else is doing the work then this is a completely difference process... They will give you the paperwork filled out, charge you a huge fee, and they will also do the gunsmithing. In my opinion you can do this all yourself. It's easy. If you have any more questions just ask.

obin

[foxtrot762]

The russian folding stocks are pretty nice. I would certainly use of of those. Even easier to do would be to find a Romanian side folding mechanism. Much less work involved. My question has to do with who is doing the work because that makes a big difference as to how you fill out the Form 1. For example here is what I put on my ATF Form 1 (5320.1)

1. a ($200 tax paid)
2. Individual
3. My full name and address
3d. County (they get picky about that)
3e. My land line number
4a. FEG, Budapest Hungary
b. Short Bb. Rifle
c. 7.62x39
d. AMD 65
e. 16.5 (later amended to say 12.5)
f. 35 (later amended to say 31)
g. (the serial number of my gun that was stamped on it from the factory)
h. (the original markings present on the gun from the importer)
i. FOR ALL LEGAL AND LAWFUL PURPOSES
5. my C&R License Number (if you don't have one then leave this blank)
6. left blank, I am not a Class 2 SOT
7. no, no, no, no, etc
8. no, no, no, no, etc
9. my signature
10. blank
11. the date
12. a passport photo which was taken at the local Walgreens13. this part was filled in by the local Police Chief

I had two copies of these done. BOTH got mailed out to the ATF along with the fingerprint cards, and the letter of compliance. I included a cheque for $200 and waited... and waited... and waited... and then a few months later I was good to go. I brought the gun to a local trophy engraver and he engraved "OBIN ROBINSON, VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA" under the receiver right by the magwell.

If someone else is doing the work then this is a completely difference process... They will give you the paperwork filled out, charge you a huge fee, and they will also do the gunsmithing. In my opinion you can do this all yourself. It's easy. If you have any more questions just ask.

obin

While I can appreciate the level of work involved, I'd rather just bite the bullet so to speak and get the stock done the way I want. If I start cheaping out, I know myself and I won't be satisfied. I just think I'd like the looks of the Russian kit over the Romanian folding kit. I would imagine the Romanian folding kit would leave a block sticking out the back of the gun whereas the Russian kit is flatter when the stock is folded. It's as much of an aesthetics thing as it is a functionality thing

[NoDubJustYet]

slightly off topic... what the hell is there in Houston for the USN? Doing something at LBJ?

[Obin Robinson]

slightly off topic... what the hell is there in Houston for the USN? Doing something at LBJ?

Good freaking question! I won't know until I start the job.

obin

[Obin Robinson]

While I can appreciate the level of work involved, I'd rather just bite the bullet so to speak and get the stock done the way I want. If I start cheaping out, I know myself and I won't be satisfied. I just think I'd like the looks of the Russian kit over the Romanian folding kit. I would imagine the Romanian folding kit would leave a block sticking out the back of the gun whereas the Russian kit is flatter when the stock is folded. It's as much of an aesthetics thing as it is a functionality thing

OK no prob. The work is still something you can accomplish yourself. I just suggest that you take it slowly and plan it out. It involves cutting. Measure twice then cut once.

obin

[dj age one]

Eh...not sure about the trust. I suppose I could...I just don't know anyone I'd care to handle the gun while I'm not around.

getting it on a trust is much simpler way to go.

you don't have to submit a photo, finger prints, or get a CLEO signature.

you can enter more then one item into the trust, so if you SBR and suppress it you'd have to get two CLEO signatures. some places the police will not sign off.

if it does have to be transfered to a family member due to a untimely demise, they won't be burden with having to pay transfer tax, it would simply go from being in a revocable trust to a non revocable trust now belonging to the benefactors (as long as it is legal for them to own it).

Either way, the weapon will have to be engraved with your name, or the name of your trust plus city and state of manufacture(where you live).

I just picked up quicken will maker yesterday, as soon as I get some time I'm going to start the trust paper work on a SBR project.

[Broke]

Double-check to make sure these are still valid requirements, but here are the specifics for engraving:

1) On the Frame or Receiver the Serial number;
2) on the frame, receiver, or barrel the following additional information;
A)The model;
B)The caliber or gauge;
C)Your name or name of the Trust in the case of a Trust (no abbreviations are permitted for the Trust name);
D)The city and state (you can abbreviate the state with the official 2 digit state code)

The above mentioned information must be engraved, casted, stamped (impressing) or otherwise conspicuously placed or caused to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size of the Serial number shall be no smaller than 1/16 inch.

Page 92, Sect. 479.102 here http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/5300-4.pdf

[Elbows]

Just heads up...the folding stock install is a lot of work - some very precise cutting, etc. I'd honestly avoid it, and go with an ACE adapter or something similar.

[Obin Robinson]

These used to be $30 and now they're $90. Get one before it's $190:

https://www.buymilsurp.com/stock-fol...an-p-5641.html


The "conversion" will be a lot easier as that is an original RATMIL-Cugir part. Most importantly it has the correct sling mount.

obin

[foxtrot762]

Something came up. $3,000 down the toilet. SBR project on hold.

[Obin Robinson]

Something came up. $3,000 down the toilet. SBR project on hold.

Sorry to hear that. If you need help in the future feel free to ask.

obin

[foxtrot762]

Sorry to hear that. If you need help in the future feel free to ask.

obin

I'll definitely be doing this project in the future but it's going to take some time to build the funds back up to where I'm comfortable spending ~$1,000 on an SBR project. Thanks for the help/info so far

[Obin Robinson]

I'll definitely be doing this project in the future but it's going to take some time to build the funds back up to where I'm comfortable spending ~$1,000 on an SBR project. Thanks for the help/info so far

No problem. Offhand I suggest that if you can't afford the entire project then at least get the pieces one at a time. Get the folding stock first because you KNOW you will need it later. There are a stack of things I wish I bought when they were cheap.

obin

[foxtrot762]

BY the way that reminds me...I've decided not to get a folding stock. I'd prefer a fixed triangle instead. It's not about price but more so about the fact that I really wasn't a huge folder fan to begin with. I just figured I could leave it unfolded. The more I thought about it, the more I just figured I'd buy a fixed stock instead.

I'm thinking the Krinkov fixed stock. Yes, it's polymer but it seems pretty similar in looks and it's 10X's easier to install. Also it's $35

[Obin Robinson]

That will do just fine. Remember that these guns are customized all over the world by whoever is weilding them. You can see lots of field improvisations being done to them. Make yours unique.

obin