I find it hard to believe that people want to compare the SUV driver to murderers who walk. There is a differece between planning and intentionally killing somebody and a dumb ass kid who crashes into something, which in this case just happens to be people. 90% of teenage drivers drive just as stupid as this kid, the difference is that most of them just didn't happen to hit a pedestrian, or if they did it's usually in a Civic or a golf, not a giant SUV. Who knows if it even was the kids fault, people on bicycles do some stupid **** at times, and if it is his fault he deserves the 2 counts of manslaughter or negligent homicide or whatever it is but he's not a murderer
The posted speed limit is 45 MPH; which means that the vehicle could've been driven at 50 MPH, and BARELY been speeding. The damage to the suv looks about right for a 45-50mph crash. There are too many unknowns for any of us to rationally pass judgement. If this was a 25 MPH zone it would be a different story.
I'm not saying that the driver wasn't grossly negligent, but I will admit that when I clicked on this thread; I didn't think that I was going to see an accident in a 45 MPH zone...
What if the suv driver was cruising along at the posted speed limit, passing freely at speed through a green light, another car blew the red light or turned right on red without looking into the path of that suv, the suv driver then jerks the wheel to avoid the collision, ends up unintentionally plowing over these two?
That was just one possible scenario.
Also, that bit of road has a 45mph speed limit and it's three lanes, with lots of turn-ins and the like. Probably not a very comfortable place to drive even for a skilled driver.
IMHO when I look at the pictures, and read what happens I tend to believe the teen was driving that SUV a bit faster then 45 maybe 60, and thought he could handle it at that speed and who knows what happened to cause him to loose control, maybe a tire blew, maybe something jumped out in front of him, maybe as stated earlier he had to serve to miss hitting something, truck hits the curb, he looses it and they were jus 2 people that were caught in the middle of a bad situation or maybe they were the ones to cause it. Living in NYC and driving there I can say cyclist often think those bikes are jus as tough as cars and 18 wheelers, I have seen a few accidents of cyclist getting bumped and hit by taxis and such. Its jus a shame someone so young was involved.
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This doesn't mean the driver isn't possibly at fault, perhaps reckless and grossly negligent, but I'm not sure I'm going to draw conclusions based on that article.
It is tragic, and I'm not going to minimize how horrible it is, but I'm not going to say it rises above mere negligence without more facts.
That said, out of respect for the dead, would it be possible for this thread not descend into bike bashing and victim blaming?
Originally Posted by Ducky TSX
My prediction: due to the ethnicity if those killed and the driver, Jesse Jackson's "Rent-A-Mob" won't be called in.
The facts will determine if this was actually an accident, or negligent vehicular manslaughter. I would expect the police are pulling the ECU to look at speed/braking etc.
However, I would imagine that most teenage drivers do not have the training/experience to drive what is basically an agricultural tractor on a public street.
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the more i look at those pictures, the more i think my nine year old would have to be tony hawk before i'd trust him riding a bike in that environment. 45? i'd almost rather he ride on the side of the road in a 25 than on the sidewalk on a four lane 45. scary.
there is always negligence to go around. and as someone mentioned, surely this teenager did not intend to be a killer. if he's joey slice with daddy's sclade on the way home from scoring meth, hang 'em high. but convicting anyone on a newspaper quote? nope.
There's too many variables here; for us to immediately jump to the conclusion that "zomg! Some teenager was FLYING in a giant, evil Mack truck, while texting, and smoking crack, and intentionally mowed down an innocent family!"..
This accident is an aweful tragedy. Noone in their right mind would dispute that. We don't have enough information at our disposal however to assume the driver was guilty of negligence.
Ill say it again.. If this happened in a 25 MPH zone; id be calling for the driver's head on a stick! This was not the case though.
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