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      04-10-2012 12:24 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by tall tex View Post
      Ok, so a question about this type of restoration. Would all the body work that he does, including something like the vent plates on the GTB alter the value of the car? Particularly in this case since it is not "all" original. Or am I over thinking it?
      In most cases a perfect paint job would greatly enhance the value of a collectible car. However, there is a movement afoot that appreciates cars with patina.

      For those that think that you wouldn't drive a car after a restoration like that, you don't know most classic car owners.

      Putting a car on a pedestal is the dumbest think]g you can do to or for a car. Anything that has been restored can be restored again.
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      04-10-2012 01:07 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      The P.O. of my '56 Mark II convertible produced a pile of bills for $50,000+ to paint my car in 1994. For the most part the only one that benefits from such an expenditure is the next owner.
      That's what we call a "win", that's for sure.

      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      Putting a car on a pedestal is the dumbest thing you can do to or for a car. Anything that has been restored can be restored again.
      Yep. The only thing you can't do is make it original again.
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      04-10-2012 01:14 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
      I remember this. And to think people still scoff today when you tell them a half decent paint job starts at $3k.
      This.

      And I feel really old reading the article but pretty impressed I remember a lot of it.

      Thanks for posting.

    4. 04-10-2012 01:16 PM #29
      I'm sure it'd look great, but ugh, no thank you. I don't care how insanely rich I was. I'd do a "children of a lesser God" 10K paint job and start up a charity or buy a hooker with the rest... probably both.
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      04-10-2012 01:19 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by ..Derek.. View Post


      The Ridler is an award given at Detroits Autorama.. not a show as you imply.
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      04-10-2012 01:30 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by RS4PD View Post
      This.

      And I feel really old reading the article but pretty impressed I remember a lot of it.

      Thanks for posting.
      You get used to it after a while.
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      04-10-2012 01:33 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by tasty danish View Post
      I'm sure it'd look great, but ugh, no thank you. I don't care how insanely rich I was. I'd do a "children of a lesser God" 10K paint job and start up a charity or buy a hooker with the rest... probably both.
      How much would you spend on an engine? I'd happily spend $100k on the engine alone if I was insanely rich.
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      never thought once to use my lefty for the brake. sorry in my opinion it is dumb.

    8. 04-10-2012 01:44 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
      How much would you spend on an engine? I'd happily spend $100k on the engine alone if I was insanely rich.
      Now there's something I haven't thought about. My whole life I've been able to make 400-500hp with $20,000 or less. I suppose if I had some crazy exotic I would drop some coin making it a monster...

      But here's the difference, that extra money you drop on an engine makes the car something you can absolutely trash, and the car won't know the difference. that nice paint? good bye track days, good bye grocery store visits, good bye general use.

      Like somebody said, you roll it out, and a bird ****s on it. It turns the car into a precious egg. F*** that.

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      04-10-2012 01:51 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by tasty danish View Post
      Now there's something I haven't thought about. My whole life I've been able to make 400-500hp with $20,000 or less. I suppose if I had some crazy exotic I would drop some coin making it a monster...

      But here's the difference, that extra money you drop on an engine makes the car something you can absolutely trash, and the car won't know the difference. that nice paint? good bye track days, good bye grocery store visits, good bye general use.

      Like somebody said, you roll it out, and a bird ****s on it. It turns the car into a precious egg. F*** that.
      Folks don't generally restore 40 year old Ferraris and mod them, though. At the same time you could treat it differently than a track rat without putting it on a pedestal. There is a happy medium.

      This kind of thing is only for those that have enough money that they don't have to take it seriously. If I spent all of my retirement money on restoring a Ferrari and something happened to it, yeah, I'd be screwed. If I had $100,000,000.00 in the bank I think I'd be OK with spending $200k on a Ferrari restoration.
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      04-10-2012 01:58 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      This kind of thing is only for those that have enough money that they don't have to take it seriously. If I spent all of my retirement money on restoring a Ferrari and something happened to it, yeah, I'd be screwed. If I had $100,000,000.00 in the bank I think I'd be OK with spending $200k on a Ferrari restoration.
      yup, only uber rich guys (1% of the 1%) can afford to track and wreck their million dollar ferraris

    11. 04-10-2012 02:01 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Folks don't generally restore 40 year old Ferraris and mod them, though. At the same time you could treat it differently than a track rat without putting it on a pedestal. There is a happy medium.

      This kind of thing is only for those that have enough money that they don't have to take it seriously. If I spent all of my retirement money on restoring a Ferrari and something happened to it, yeah, I'd be screwed. If I had $100,000,000.00 in the bank I think I'd be OK with spending $200k on a Ferrari restoration.
      If you don't take it seriously, why not mod out a classic?

      I agree there is a happy medium, but that medium does not lie within a $64,000+ paint job.

      I get what you mean about them not noticing the cost, but that's what is so gross about this to me, the level of excess is borderline hubris

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      04-10-2012 02:04 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      This kind of thing is only for those that have enough money that they don't have to take it seriously.
      I saw a lot of that in the Middle East last year. We think that $100,000 for a paint job is a lot of money. There are people who make that amount of profit in a DAY. For them it's not a matter of if the Ferrari should be painted and how much it will cost. A $100,000 paint job is merely the cost of maintenance. When they pay for it their checking account won't go down by a blip. It would be like you or me having to justify paying for a can of soda. We won't notice a difference in 50 cents anymore than they will notice the difference in $100,000.



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      04-10-2012 05:14 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Jack-the-Tripper View Post
      Now i have seen only a few Testa rossa's but to say that they are not well painted is stupid..
      Every one I've seen has quite a bit of factory orange peel. Especially on the sides. The Lambos I've seen were much better. As originally a custom painter by trade, it's something I notice.


      Now on the article...painter applies gallon after gallon paint on the car....then rubs it down again and buffs it to a high gloss...wich is about the same as they did in the Ferrrari factory.(Albeit with not such heavy layers of paint)

      Also, gallon after gallon paint on a car can be a recipe for future disaster...paint cures slowly when thick layers are applied...
      If you actually read it, there was time in between the coats. In fact, up to a week in between. much of the paint is actually removed in the sanding/polishing process, so there isn't THAT much left on the car.


      But then again, if one has the money and is willing to spend..[/QUOTE]
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      04-10-2012 05:19 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by tasty danish View Post
      If you don't take it seriously, why not mod out a classic?
      "Respect the classics, man!" [/Fillmore]

      Quote Originally Posted by tasty danish View Post
      I agree there is a happy medium, but that medium does not lie within a $64,000+ paint job.

      I get what you mean about them not noticing the cost, but that's what is so gross about this to me, the level of excess is borderline hubris
      By "medium" I simply mean that you don't have to let it sit and only look at it and you don't have to thrash it.
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      04-10-2012 05:20 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      I saw a lot of that in the Middle East last year...
      There are times that I don't have that 50 on me, though!
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      04-10-2012 05:22 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      There are times that I don't have that 50 on me, though!
      Ditto. I hate using the debit card for a freaking can of soda. Physical cash and coins are such a thing of the past. FWIW I still have some 'pogs' from Iraq as well as money on my Eagle Cash card.

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      04-10-2012 05:40 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by RS4PD View Post
      This.

      And I feel really old reading the article but pretty impressed I remember a lot of it.

      Thanks for posting.
      As do I with all these "archives" posts... I remember this article but I wasn't old enough to appreciate it, so it's cool to read it again now.
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      04-11-2012 08:22 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      Ditto. I hate using the debit card for a freaking can of soda. Physical cash and coins are such a thing of the past. FWIW I still have some 'pogs' from Iraq as well as money on my Eagle Cash card.

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      Yep. Even going to get breakfast at Burger King (or whatever fast food place you prefer) is sad when you don't have the $3.59 for the meal in cash!
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      04-11-2012 04:12 PM #44
      Thanks for posting these, they are great.
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      04-11-2012 04:27 PM #45
      A thread that has a lot in common with this one:

      http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=280041





      How to do a restoration/paint job right.
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      04-11-2012 04:35 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by choochoo View Post
      yup, only uber rich guys (1% of the 1%) can afford to track and wreck their million dollar ferraris
      there an after shot of this?

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      04-11-2012 04:39 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by 71DubBugBug View Post
      there an after shot of this?
      Yup.

      http://www.autoblog.com/photos/ferra...#photo-2211463

      More photos and videos here:

      http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/17/v...r-crashing-at/
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      04-11-2012 04:57 PM #48
      Lot of people read this and just don't get it. Same topic came up on the HAMB a few months ago and it about started a war.

      There really are people who can't tell the difference between a $1000 paint job, and a $100,000 paint job. But those guys aren't a problem, because you never see them. They go to Maaco or One-Day Paint (or roller their car with Rustoleum 'cause the guy in Hot Rod mag did it and it turned out awesome).

      The problem is the ones who can tell the difference and expect the $100,000 paint job for $1000.
      Quote Originally Posted by 1.9..16vTurbo View Post
      you should stick to that car your trying to paint

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      04-11-2012 05:23 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by vr6swap View Post
      The problem is the ones who can tell the difference and expect the $100,000 paint job for $1000.
      That reminds me of a conversation I had with my wife about a year ago regarding composite repairs on cars. She wanted to know if I could use my aircraft skills repairing people's hot rods, exotics, and street rods. I could repair cracked carbon fiber, fiberglass, kevlar, etc without a problem... except the fact that most people are cheapskates. A seamless composite repair which is just as strong as the original isn't quick, cheap, or necessarily easy. I told her I would have no problem fixing these cracked parts on cars but I already know how people would react to the quotes.

      Cheapskate car owner: "So you're telling me that the work will only take you 5 hours to do but I can't have my car back for a week?!?"
      Me: "You want it at full cure and seamless? Yeah that is what I am telling you."
      Cheapskate car owner: "How much will it cost?"
      Me: "It's going to cost ME no less than $100 in consumables and you're still going to have to pay someone else at least $1,000 to paint it."

      I avoided the headache altogether as it's not worth spending the thousands of dollars on equipment and all my free time. Maybe for when I retire but not for now. Finding the people who truly care about their cars to get quality work done can be tough. Some people simply don't understand that these sorts of jobs are often a labor of love.

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      04-11-2012 05:35 PM #50
      Cool article. Seams a bit low for a such a job.
      I fail to see how that's expensive or the car isn't drivable afterwards
      Expensive might be buying a competing corporation to establish monopoly... Expensive is overthrowing a leader of small country and bribing the rest, so you can traffic something in and out of the area. Paying for senators to pass your legislature is expensive. Or the presidential seat in the US government - now that's expensive. This paint job is pocket change for the target market.

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