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    Thread: Losing my damn marbles, or, tell me about Buick Park Avenues

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      04-11-2012 02:49 PM #26
      Had to stop reading this thread, have to keep a serious face at work.
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      04-11-2012 02:49 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by 200HP4dr View Post
      Great cars! Welcome to my world. I had a couple and they were fantastic. I've had a couple of friends with the vintage you prefer, and while generally reliable, they had a couple of failures in common. For some reason, the rocker arms come off on the N/A ones. Not sure why, but that alone will cause someone to dump the car, and its a relatively easy repair. Find the nicest condition one you can find that has had the transmission fluid regularly changed.
      Yes Like said, tranny fluid changes on record are good. My Folks had a '96 Park Avenue, the 3.8L is a great V6. It is usually rock solid. The trans. Meh, keep it regulary serviced and it should do you well. An injector Bank did go bad in the 96 and the tranny finally died. Most likely cause my dad isn't the best at staying on top of maintinance.

      They Bought a '98 LeSabre 3.8L. Put a lot of miles on it, they had coolent leaking in the intake mani. It was about a $300-400 fix, with a replacement intake.Then gave it to my sister, which it just did the Rocker arm bit, going clackity clackity. My SIster and brother in law were qgetting quotes of $800 to $1000 to fix. Some were saying the push rods wer bad, some said valves.

      I told them to bring it to a local shop I know, good people "Mike's Auto Repair". Mike and his Son Kevin are pretty good poeple. They took a look and said About $350 to do the job, parts and labor. The issue was fixed.
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      04-11-2012 02:55 PM #28
      OP just get it and put some twnetyfos on it an ya will fit right in around where I am... Louisiana FTW..
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      Around here they all "upgraded" to lifted pick-ups with cheesy wheels and a sticker bomb of energy drinks and fox racing. The highest mileage early 2000's truck they can buy, cheapest lift that makes it the tallest, clear or tinted tails, drop in HIDs, tinted windows, accent painted everything, stick on chrome, rebel flags (wtf?).

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      04-11-2012 03:00 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Inkarnata View Post


      Helen Thomas would like your number.
      hahahahahahaha.





      and dont do it. my ex had one. she was 22. she got made fun of for it. it broke down a lot, and she was fed up with it.

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      04-11-2012 03:06 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Lucian1988 View Post

      and dont do it. my ex had one. she was 22. she got made fun of for it. it broke down a lot, and she was fed up with it.
      Well, I certainly give no ****s or ****s at 27, but the other feedback is appreciated.

      Also -

      I know Northstar Cadillacs are generally a guaranteed headache later on in life, but my friend is selling his deceased mother's 1999 DeVille garage queen. It's white with blue leather interior. Showroom condition with 41k miles. Now, like I said, Northstars have their issues, but I can probably grab the car for 3k and when I say it's immaculate, I mean it's immaculate. I just don't know if the low mileage would make it a bit of a non-issue for at least a couple of years, but the price is obscene relative to the condition.
      Now go get your shinebox

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      04-11-2012 03:08 PM #32
      I drive a Buick LaCrosse for work, and I hate every minute of it. Its very depressing when you're 29 and your 60'ish year old neighbor says "new car grandpa?"

      I do appreciate the idea of keeping the mileage down on my personal cars, but being an enthusiast, it leaves a lot to be desired. The Buick has its place and serves it function well, if you dont give a ****, go for it.

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      04-11-2012 03:17 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Señor Peligro View Post
      Lower it, and I would rock it too.

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      04-11-2012 03:20 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by randy View Post
      Lower it, and I would rock it too.
      And it begins. Next you'll see bagged Park Ave's winning Best in Show Trophies at Waterfest.
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      04-11-2012 03:22 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkEnergist View Post
      And it begins. Next you'll see bagged Park Ave's winning Best in Show Trophies at Waterfest.
      I'm tellin you, 2012 is gonna be the year of the Buick. Like a phoenix rising from the ashes. Or a viagra peen rising from eternal impotence.
      Now go get your shinebox

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      04-11-2012 03:23 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Señor Peligro View Post
      I'm tellin you, 2012 is gonna be the year of the Buick. Like a phoenix rising from the ashes. Or a viagra peen rising from eternal impotence.

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      04-11-2012 04:02 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by dieselraver View Post
      ...true sleeper. cushy seats, luxurious ride. ...
      As in, doze off and fall asleep while behind the wheel?

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      04-11-2012 04:10 PM #38
      The supercharged ones are entertaining for sure. Big, soft and torquey

    14. 04-11-2012 04:10 PM #39
      I'm more partial to the Ford barges, if you ask me, which you did, but specified no RWD cars; I'd also recommend a Taurus or Sable; a bit more manageable package, size wise, can go newer than the GM and it will still be same price, or less, and on the whole the 2000+ Taurus has better build quality than almost anything GM of the time.

      That said, I do like the Buicks; I am always keeping my eyes out for clean ones. Even when well maintained they just kind of go all gooey in that old GM way; falling headliners, faded plasti-chrome, chintzy materials left, right, and center. But they will go for a long time.

      I say the Taurus is going to do everything better...the GM will just do it's thing for a long time.

      Clean, one owner, garage kept cars of either kind are worth paying up for in this segment because you can, without too much work, find 10-15 year old examples that look and feel new.
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    15. 04-11-2012 04:12 PM #40
      I'm gonna go ahead and say just stay away from that DeVille.......Northstars
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      04-11-2012 04:18 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
      I'm gonna go ahead and say just stay away from that DeVille.......Northstars
      Ah crap. Even with that mileage it wouldn't be alright for at least a couple years?

      It's sooooo nice. Like, soooooooooooo nice. Really cream puff in every sense.

      Sigh. Problem is, I've ridden around in, and driven it multiple times, and I fell for it hard, but not hard enough to overlook the Northstar reputation.
      Now go get your shinebox

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      04-11-2012 04:18 PM #43
      you should get a Buick Regal GS instead:

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      04-11-2012 04:19 PM #44
      The Pontiac Bonneville and Oldsmobile Eighty Eight are also good options for big comfy GM iron from that era. We had 2 Bonnevilles (94 and 2002) in my family and currently my mom drives a 2001 Aurora. Still a very nice comfy ride.

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      04-11-2012 04:20 PM #45
      i'm sorry man...really i am. 90's buicks? that's like bottom of the barrel right there. At least go for some 80's stuff..they're still couches but at least they have novelty looks. There is nothing redeeming about 90's buicks..nothing. It's the same as a mid 90's Ford Taurus Jelly Bean, they should've never been conceived.

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      04-11-2012 04:27 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      i'm sorry man...really i am. 90's buicks? that's like bottom of the barrel right there. At least go for some 80's stuff..they're still couches but at least they have novelty looks. There is nothing redeeming about 90's buicks..nothing. It's the same as a mid 90's Ford Taurus Jelly Bean, they should've never been conceived.
      Shhhh get out of here with that talk.

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      04-11-2012 04:28 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      i'm sorry man...really i am. 90's buicks? that's like bottom of the barrel right there. At least go for some 80's stuff..they're still couches but at least they have novelty looks. There is nothing redeeming about 90's buicks..nothing. It's the same as a mid 90's Ford Taurus Jelly Bean, they should've never been conceived.
      Well, the 80s stuff is RWD and V8, which is what I'm NOT looking for, and I've had plenty of time in 90s Buicks. They're endearing to me. Don't know what to tell ya bud.
      Now go get your shinebox

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      04-11-2012 04:30 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Señor Peligro View Post
      Sigh. Problem is, I've ridden around in, and driven it multiple times, and I fell for it hard, but not hard enough to overlook the Northstar reputation.
      Headbolts are an issue but in 2000 they changed the thread pitch and in 2003 they changed the pitch and size of the threads. Most post 2003 no longer have head bolt problems. The head gaskets issue on N* are the head bolts not the gasket design.

      A more annoying issue is the Northstars propensity to lose its fluids. My current car had to have the half case reseal at 60K and the valve covers twice. My last DTS needed the valve covers replaced as well.

      Half case seal isn't a small job as the engine needs to come out and put on a stand and flipped over. Coolant crossover is another thing to watch out for.

      The 2006+ N* don't do so well in terms of MPG's, the older ones get far better fuel economy and in 2000-2005 you can run 87.

    24. 04-11-2012 04:31 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Señor Peligro View Post
      Ah crap. Even with that mileage it wouldn't be alright for at least a couple years?

      It's sooooo nice. Like, soooooooooooo nice. Really cream puff in every sense.

      Sigh. Problem is, I've ridden around in, and driven it multiple times, and I fell for it hard, but not hard enough to overlook the Northstar reputation.
      At 40k, if it all checks out, and it's a car worth giving someone a bill to THOROUGHLY check, you may get 2-3 years out of it. If it is that clean, and the asking price is that low...I mean, in the end it's not a big chunk of cash so it's hard to go wrong.

      It's a well earned reputation those engines have.
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      04-11-2012 04:34 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Señor Peligro View Post
      Well, the 80s stuff is RWD and V8, which is what I'm NOT looking for, and I've had plenty of time in 90s Buicks. They're endearing to me. Don't know what to tell ya bud.
      Just remember growing up hating them lol

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