530HP Infiniti G

[enigmatic enthusiast]

http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...6_in_pipeline/

Still reading but headline excited me so...

edit. Summer 2014, that's the dumbest thing I've heard in some time.

[InfinitiG]

Was just going to post this.

It's not just news about the G, this article is chock full of information of Infiniti's plans for the near future. Big thing here is the new V6 for the next-gen G is going to developed completely in-house by Nissan based off their classic VQ architecture.

Also, on the Mercedes-Infiniti partnership front, it looks like the main ties will be the 4-cylinder diesel for the European market as well as some platform sharing for the next G and C-classes, as well as an Infiniti C-class hatchback for the European market being based off current Mercedes front-drive platform technology.

Then, obviously there is the news that Infiniti is developing a new 3.7 TT V6 producing around 530+ HP to be used in a future range of IPL vehicles.

Lot more news in the article, but this all seems like very solid information. Big things are happening it seems.

[invisiblewar]

Wasnt it nissan that said theyd be delivering a ton of new products over the next few years? Looks like theyre delivering!

[corrago]

They claimed that if there's a market segment, they intend to be part of it.

Is the juke their Fit competition? I wonder if the brz fighter will have an infiniti counterpart..

[enigmatic enthusiast]

One thing categorically incorrect in the article is this insiders stance that Infiniti will only be using Merc diesel when we've already been told otherwise... And I still can't get over 2014 that is foolishness.

[InfinitiG]

They claimed that if there's a market segment, they intend to be part of it.

Is the juke their Fit competition? I wonder if the brz fighter will have an infiniti counterpart..

The Juke is more of an Outlander Sport competitor imo. The Versa technically competes with the fit as they're in the same class but obviously going after much different demographics of buyers. It will be more of a direct competitor when the new Versa hatchback comes out.

[Guy Legend]

People wanted more performance out of IPL, they're going to get it. With that comes a higher price - likely double that of the current IPL G37 coupe if the remark about pricing close to the GTR is to be believed. That's too high for any G car considering that would far eclipse the starting price of a BMW M3.

If Infiniti wants to charge nearly six figures - the car should be completely different (Emerge).

I'm glad Mercedes engines are limited to 4 cylinder models, keeping the VQ line for V6 models.

[6cylVWguy]

As I was reading that article, the only thing that was going through my mind was how changes to the G will relate to what the next gen Z will be like.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

So the IPL cars will be making as much power as their flagship GT-R?

Somehow I don't think so.

[InfinitiG]

One thing categorically incorrect in the article is this insiders stance that Infiniti will only be using Merc diesel when we've already been told otherwise... And I still can't get over 2014 that is foolishness.

You seem really hung up on the year 2014, what's the big deal?

[jepva]

So the IPL cars will be making as much power as their flagship GT-R?

Somehow I don't think so.

Infiniti wants a high performance "sport/luxury" car to compete with more of the other high end brand offerings, and they currently have it in the GT-R, except it's a Nissan and pretty spartan inside. My guess is they will axe the GT-R under the Nissan brand and exclusively offer the car under Infiniti, with more of a luxury feel. That is where the market really is, anyway.

Otherwise, glad to be see the good news and that Infiniti isn't just letting the market get away from them. I figured there was plenty of behind the scenes development going on all these years while the G was largely the same.

As far as 2014 - this isn't news. The V37 was already slated for 2014, and obviously they have been working on this stuff for awhile. I mean, c'mon, the current G has existed with essentially the same engine and body for almost 5 years now. Although, he said "late summer 2014", so probably as a 2015 MY.

[scsuh]

As I was reading that article, the only thing that was going through my mind was how changes to the G will relate to what the next gen Z will be like.

well at the very least it appears that the z will get a direct injected vq37, which should help with power, efficiency, and smoothness. i've also heard reports that the next gen z should be smaller. both of which lead me to conclude that the next gen z will be a very fun car to drive.

[Mr. Clarkson]

So the IPL cars will be making as much power as their flagship GT-R?

Somehow I don't think so.

Solution: more power into the GT-R

[6cylVWguy]

well at the very least it appears that the z will get a direct injected vq37, which should help with power, efficiency, and smoothness. i've also heard reports that the next gen z should be smaller. both of which lead me to conclude that the next gen z will be a very fun car to drive.

All of that would be very awesome. A smaller and hopefully lighter Z with hopefully ~360hp would make me start thinking about getting rid of my mustang.

[InfinitiG]

My guess is they will axe the GT-R under the Nissan brand and exclusively offer the car under Infiniti, with more of a luxury feel.

My thinking is that there is no way that that is going to happen.

[scsuh]

So the IPL cars will be making as much power as their flagship GT-R?

Somehow I don't think so.

why can't one corporation have more than one supercar? i'm sure there will be plenty of characteristics that differentiate the two (drivetrain, engine, and interior quality being just a few).

[jepva]

My thinking is that there is no way that that is going to happen.

I'm basing that off of a few other things I've read on the subject..there was an interview / article awhile ago about how Infiniti wants a quasi-supercar to compete with the luxury brands, but since it would basically be a GT-R, they would overlap too much. And in this interview, the guy is saying the price will be the same and also based on the GT-R. I suppose they could keep both, but I don't see there being much of a market anymore for the GT-R if Infiniti offers pretty much the same but slightly more luxurious, and for the same price. It would be the purists going after the GT-R..which isn't much of a market these days.

It's different with the 370Z vs. the G37 coupe because there's a larger price difference. But having two $80k cars almost identical wouldn't make sense to me.

[Guy Legend]

I suppose they could keep both, but I don't see there being much of a market anymore for the GT-R if Infiniti offers pretty much the same but slightly more luxurious, and for the same price.

Last time this possibility was mentioned, it was said while Infiniti theoretically could get a car based on the GTR - it would be extremely hard to make it palatable for luxury brand standards.

Leave the GTR as Nissan's halo, delivering the dynamic of pure brute sports car. Infiniti's halo car should push the boundaries on technology while delivering high end performance.

In other words, deliver this:

[koko12]

I don't think the IPL G would replaced the GTR or be priced the same. The Article says it'll compete with the C63 and M3, those cars are priced similar to a GTR in Japan, which is where the article was alluding to, but not in the states. In the states such a car would be priced somewhere between $60k and $70K which is the price range for the M3 and C63. Also if Nissan/infiniti was planning on replacing the GTR with this new IPL G, they'd just used the GT-R's powertrian rather then developing a new one. The article even says this new engine will be build alongside the GTR's meaning they still plan on offering it along with the IPL G.

The article says their turbo VQ is making upwards of 530 hp, but not that it'll be so in production form. I predict an IPL G making around 500 hp for about $65K and a GTR making around 600 hp for about $100K

Also if Infiniti decides to offer the GTR's ATTESSA system in IPL G, it'll probably end wiping the floor with other vehicles in this class. Think first year R35 GTR performance in the new IPL G.

[enigmatic enthusiast]

I'm basing that off of a few other things I've read on the subject..there was an interview / article awhile ago about how Infiniti wants a quasi-supercar to compete with the luxury brands, but since it would basically be a GT-R, they would overlap too much. And in this interview, the guy is saying the price will be the same and also based on the GT-R. I suppose they could keep both, but I don't see there being much of a market anymore for the GT-R if Infiniti offers pretty much the same but slightly more luxurious, and for the same price. It would be the purists going after the GT-R..which isn't much of a market these days.

It's different with the 370Z vs. the G37 coupe because there's a larger price difference. But having two $80k cars almost identical wouldn't make sense to me.

Where did they state it would be based off the GTR? No where in the article did they make such an assertion.

I don't think the IPL G would replaced the GTR or be priced the same. The Article says it'll compete with the C63 and M3, those cars are priced similar to a GTR in Japan, which is where the article was alluding to, but not in the states. In the states such a car would be priced somewhere between $60k and $70K which is the price range for the M3 and C63. Also if Nissan/infiniti was planning on replacing the GTR with this new IPL G, they'd just used the GT-R's powertrian rather then developing a new one. The article even says this new engine will be build alongside the GTR's meaning they still plan on offering it along with the IPL G.

The article says their turbo VQ is making upwards of 530 hp, but not that it'll be so in production form. I predict an IPL G making around 500 hp for about $65K and a GTR making around 600 hp for about $100K

Also if Infiniti decides to offer the GTR's ATTESSA system in IPL G, it'll probably end wiping the floor with other vehicles in this class. Think first year R35 GTR performance in the new IPL G.

It wouldn't be the same attessa system as it wouldn't share the trans-axle with the GTR. I think it would be interesting if all futue IPL did come with a version of atessa.

[jepva]

Where did they state it would be based off the GTR? No where in the article did they make such an assertion.

Not just this article, prior article I had read regarding the Essence concept. Forget which publication. It mentions in the article the same manufacturing facility..which pretty much guarantees platform sharing and engine sharing. I can agree if the price points are very different obviously there can be two cars, but it won't make sense for them at similar price points. If it's really to be around $60k and more luxurious, it will be missing a lot of the GTR's track-ready components.