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      04-14-2012 09:42 PM #141
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      Personally, I'd rather have the privilege of voting in a country like Germany... maybe one day.
      Door is open, what keeps you in the US?

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      04-14-2012 09:46 PM #142
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      Pissing people off like you.
      I've been doing that from accros the pond for years
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      04-14-2012 09:51 PM #143
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      Pissing people off like you.
      Poor bambino.... He thinks he pisses me off... I would not give you the time of day...

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      04-14-2012 09:53 PM #144
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      Then the Obama campaign organizers used that very tool against Ron Paul's supporters... social networking sites. We witnessed a Corporate brainwashing with our very own eyes using the tools that we all thought we were immune from such mind control, the internet.
      That and the fact that the Obama camp essentially bought the poor vote.
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      04-14-2012 09:55 PM #145
      Quote Originally Posted by Run L1ke H3LL View Post
      That and the fact that the Obama camp essentially bought the poor vote.
      which wouldn't be a problem if there weren't so many poor people. But that part is hard to rime with your worldview.
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      04-14-2012 09:56 PM #146
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      Then why do you care if I stay here or don't?
      I am just giving you advice. If you are so unhappy here, why do you not become and ex-patriot and live abroad? You are the one that likes to get all butt-hurt and call others names etc.

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      04-14-2012 09:58 PM #147
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      I think you have a man crush on me.
      Here we go again....

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      04-14-2012 10:30 PM #148
      Quote Originally Posted by B3sat16v View Post
      I am just giving you advice. If you are so unhappy here, why do you not become and ex-patriot and live abroad? You are the one that likes to get all butt-hurt and call others names etc.
      It's "ex-patriate."

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      04-14-2012 10:34 PM #149
      Quote Originally Posted by Jader Pack View Post
      It's "ex-patriate."
      Thank you! My computer did not catch that.

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      04-15-2012 12:32 AM #150
      Quote Originally Posted by spkn^GRMN View Post
      I know the differences, I've studied history, economics, & religions. I'm an old bastard who's read more than enough to form rational & intelligent summations of various contrasts between each. You need a refresh course on the other hand.
      Apparently you don't know enough to realize socialism depends on industry being owned by the government while fascism depends on a close relationship between government and industry
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      04-15-2012 03:07 AM #151
      Quote Originally Posted by zaYG View Post
      Apparently you don't know enough to realize socialism depends on industry being owned by the government while fascism depends on a close relationship between government and industry
      What is your agenda and what are you trying to prove here? You're the only one claiming the US is a fascist nation and guess what? You'll continue to be the only one since you have NO idea what you're speaking of. It's become embarrassing for you.

      You espoused America is like Italy from the '30s. Since when has the US every been ruled by an evil dictatorial fascist leader??? Fascism has many more intrical key elements besides a govt & industrial relationship. Also fascism opposes liberal democracy, and doesn't recognize liberalism or conservatism, it's ruled by a single leader( the supreme dictator). Do we have authoritarianism or nationalism dictated by a ruling leader or the bourgeoisie in America? Until you fully comprehend, study, read, and learn what the hell you're trying to endorse, please... it's embarrassing.
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      04-15-2012 03:16 AM #152
      Quote Originally Posted by Run L1ke H3LL View Post
      Please ignore the fact that this video is from Fox News. The point of the video is the same.

      http://video.foxnews.com/v/155986616...ylist_id=87937

      And this is not an isolated incident. I spoke to a man in the city the other day who told me that while he was on unemployment (two years) he was able to fund 7 cruises to the Caribbean. If it doesn't anger you that people can fund vacations, drug habits and bail with you and your families hard earned money then I lost all hope for the US.
      Unemployment insurance isn't a hand out. You have to qualify first, and that means you have to pay some share into the system. Then, you can only draw out based on what you put in. There is a limit to how long you can draw, and what you must do to rebuild your account (get a job, keep it for x days, etc...)

      Beyond that - what people do with their unemployment insurance check is up to them. They still have lives to live, and while looking for a job is a 9-5 "job" in itself - so what if they still want to keep work/life balance?

      Hell, if you know anything about this system, then you know that you're a sucker for always paying into it and never taking out of it.

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      04-15-2012 03:22 AM #153
      Quote Originally Posted by winstonsmith84 View Post
      Can we separate welfare from unemployment? Have the talking heads got us so confused that we don't know the difference anymore?
      Apparently so.

      And don't forget that the person taking those cruises may have racked up a ton of credit/airline miles during his 5 year career prior to collecting unemployment (which is an insurance we all pay into, not a "tax".)

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      04-15-2012 03:25 AM #154
      Quote Originally Posted by PsyberVW View Post

      Hell, if you know anything about this system, then you know that you're a sucker for always paying into it and never taking out of it.
      I think my head is about to explode after read this.
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      04-15-2012 04:29 AM #155
      Quote Originally Posted by PsyberVW View Post
      Apparently so.

      And don't forget that the person taking those cruises may have racked up a ton of credit/airline miles during his 5 year career prior to collecting unemployment (which is an insurance we all pay into, not a "tax".)
      A 25 year old is not saving up enough credit to go on 7 free cruises. Let's try to be realistic. Also to address what you're saying about where UC money comes from. The federal government lends money to the states for unemployment insurance when the states run short of funds. In general, this can happen when the unemployment rate is high, like in today's economy. So where does the fed get that money? That's right. Taxes.
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      04-15-2012 05:35 PM #156
      All these arguments of entitlement stemming from taxes are tiring and boorish. It's like when people get mad at cops and say "you work for me because I pay your paycheck."

      It's grossly untrue and over simplistic - juevenille at best to think it's a valid argument at all..

      Quote Originally Posted by Run L1ke H3LL View Post
      A 25 year old is not saving up enough credit to go on 7 free cruises. Let's try to be realistic. Also to address what you're saying about where UC money comes from. The federal government lends money to the states for unemployment insurance when the states run short of funds. In general, this can happen when the unemployment rate is high, like in today's economy. So where does the fed get that money? That's right. Taxes.
      Too many assumptions on your part - and they do not discount my argument what-so-ever. The part in bold is the biggest flaw in your argument, as your statement is neither absolute nor fact. We don't know the full story.

      Next - the Unemployment Insurance is a benefit that we all pay into while we are working. Yes it's true that over 30 states have borrowed billions from the Fed, but that hardly means it's "my money" or that it is "wasted." Because regardless of where the individual spent the money - the states are responsible for paying back the loan with interest. What do you call earning interest on your money? That's right - investment.

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      04-15-2012 06:59 PM #157
      Your hung up on my story like its the only important aspect of this thread. The crux of the issue is that people are WASTING tax dollars that they receive either through unemployment, welfare or other financial assistance programs. Provisions need to be instilled so that tax dollars are spent more responsibly.
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    18. 04-16-2012 11:05 AM #158
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      In Socialist Germany, even lowly fry cooks working at McDonald's make 15 EUROS per hour. Think about that, not dollars, but EUROS... which ever since USA took on GWB Jr's war on Iraq, the dollar has been worth less than the Euro.
      First off all, the starting wage at McDonald's in Germany is around EUR8/hour. Not 15.

      Second of all, Germany is not socialist.

      People need to ****ing learn what socialism is. It is not high taxes. It is not having social services or things like welfare or single payer health care.
      And since last time I checked Germany does not have 'social' ownership of the means of production, Germany is not socialist.

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      04-16-2012 11:10 AM #159
      Quote Originally Posted by windi View Post
      First off all, the starting wage at McDonald's in Germany is around EUR8/hour. Not 15.

      Second of all, Germany is not socialist.

      People need to ****ing learn what socialism is. It is not high taxes. It is not having social services or things like welfare or single payer health care.
      And since last time I checked Germany does not have 'social' ownership of the means of production, Germany is not socialist.
      Socialism is a broad term but one widely accepted use refers to public ownership of or central planning of, or otherwise removing or dampening the effect of market forces on, a company or segment of the economy.

      Government controlled (or paid-for) health care is thus rightly referred to as "socialized" health care. That doesn't make Germany or other such countries "socialist" on the whole, but it does make them more "socialist" than the USA in that respect.

      Welfare is another example.

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      04-16-2012 07:06 PM #160
      Quote Originally Posted by spkn^GRMN View Post
      What is your agenda and what are you trying to prove here? You're the only one claiming the US is a fascist nation and guess what? You'll continue to be the only one since you have NO idea what you're speaking of. It's become embarrassing for you.

      You espoused America is like Italy from the '30s. Since when has the US every been ruled by an evil dictatorial fascist leader??? Fascism has many more intrical key elements besides a govt & industrial relationship. Also fascism opposes liberal democracy, and doesn't recognize liberalism or conservatism, it's ruled by a single leader( the supreme dictator). Do we have authoritarianism or nationalism dictated by a ruling leader or the bourgeoisie in America? Until you fully comprehend, study, read, and learn what the hell you're trying to endorse, please... it's embarrassing.
      My agenda? Truth. I'm a libertarian, but I hate idiots who blame all of our problems solely on "poor people stealing your hard earned money" because that isn't the main problem here.

      And I actually know exactly what I'm talking about. I can even summon zukiphile here so he can agree with me on that point and bore the thread to death.

      And once again, I never said we were a fascist nation, I said our economic system was extremely close to the fascist economic system.
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      04-16-2012 07:07 PM #161
      Quote Originally Posted by spkn^GRMN View Post
      I think my head is about to explode after read this.
      It was pretty obviously a tongue-in-cheek statement.
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      04-16-2012 09:14 PM #162
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      I used the term more jokingly then accurately, you know to catch the attention of individuals who believe European countries are socialist. Also 8 Euros is almost $11 an hour, I know a lot of people would love to work at McDonald's if the wages were that high here.
      You also have to think about the cost of living. Which you have not taken into account.

      i.e. 75K in CA equates to 55K is VA (Just as an example).
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      04-16-2012 09:16 PM #163
      Quote Originally Posted by windi View Post
      First off all, the starting wage at McDonald's in Germany is around EUR8/hour. Not 15.

      Second of all, Germany is not socialist.

      People need to ****ing learn what socialism is. It is not high taxes. It is not having social services or things like welfare or single payer health care.
      And since last time I checked Germany does not have 'social' ownership of the means of production, Germany is not socialist.
      It is a bit more Socialistic than the USA. And yes, it is not fully Socialistic, but it has Socialistic tendencies to achieve a balance with say Capitalism. Lets think of it as the gray area....

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