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      04-14-2012 03:26 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by spkn^GRMN View Post
      Well, I see you're thinking at least. You are speaking of tax rates and percentages which should be adjusted for the bottom. I'm speaking of the folks near the 50% line who pay zip, not the bottom 10%. Those that need help we have those programs in place. This isn't hard to understand, I don't think.

      Capital gains are taxed lower because they're investments using their own money. If you raise the effect rate what makes you think those evil richies(as they're known) won't invest elsewhere with a lower rate? They will.
      um...the bottom 50% pay zip because they barely make enough money to live on.
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      Tax? I don't mind paying state sales tax. Every time a see a pothole, a school that is falling down or a canceled essential state program, I remind myself why.
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      535 members of congress plus 1 pres screwing us all the time...that's dirty pirate hooker level gang rape.

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      04-14-2012 03:56 PM #77
      Socialism will never work in the US. Americans will never put up with the attempt at multiplying wealth by dividing it.
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      04-14-2012 04:16 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by Run L1ke H3LL View Post
      Socialism will never work in the US. Americans will never put up with the attempt at multiplying wealth by dividing it.
      I can tell none of you have ever lived, or been to a Socialist Country.

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      04-14-2012 04:18 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by Egilbe View Post
      We are no where near being socilaistic. We have a plutocracy where the very rich control and corrupt the system. With communism you get apathy, with capitalism you get a plutocracy. Eventually it's all going to be destroyed and we sink back into the dark ages.
      Are you sure about that? This country has been socialistic for a long time. It might not be 100%, but as some of us might know 100% of anything does not work. None of the current Socialistic countries that work are not 100%. No where near close 100%.

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      04-14-2012 04:21 PM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by Egilbe View Post
      um...the bottom 50% pay zip because they barely make enough money to live on.
      So 50% are at or below the poverty level right now? Government needs to tax the upper 50% an outrageous amount to 'take care' of the lower half? Government knows better how to spend your money than you do? What tax rate would be acceptable(FAIR) in your eyes for the upper 50%? Throw out some numbers.


      Quote Originally Posted by Egilbe View Post
      We are no where near being socilaistic. We have a plutocracy where the very rich control and corrupt the system. With communism you get apathy, with capitalism you get a plutocracy. Eventually it's all going to be destroyed and we sink back into the dark ages.
      Cornell West is that you? If crony capitalism is gutted out of our political system, plutocrates would be stymied. This country has been operating on a quasi capitalistic/socialistic platform for about twenty years now so what's the answer? Give us the end all be all solution.

      This country is in a huge quandary financially and no matter what tax rate is chosen it's not enough to 'fix' our growing welfare state, even if the upper 50% paying all of their money, yep 100% of their income AND savings into the system. Read up on hyperinflation, it's coming soon also. The ruling elite will be fine, others will be left to fend for ourselves.

      And I'll leave you with this to ponder...
      "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" ~ Margaret Thatcher
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      04-14-2012 04:30 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by spkn^GRMN View Post
      So let me read between the lines here, you're basically saying you need others taxes so it can afford you a higher quality of life for yourself? Whatever happened to self-reliance or are we turning into a nation of collectivism?

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      I pay taxes. My income is above average, and also I'm Canadian.

      There's no need to read between the lines. I've said exactly what I mean: there's a strong correlation between a country's citizens having a high quality of life and that country having a high tax rate.

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      04-14-2012 04:30 PM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by B3sat16v View Post
      I can tell none of you have ever lived, or been to a Socialist Country.
      Never been myself but I read everything I can get my hands on and also know several folks who immigrated here from European socialist countries. Guess what, they're all staunch right wing nutz after their experiences from home. At least that's what they say.

      Can you tell us your personal experiences? I like to hear all perspectives.
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      04-14-2012 04:31 PM #83
      yeah, 50% of the US population doesn't pay federal income taxes because they barely make enough to survive. Those are the stats. It's been bandied about on this board a number of times.

      In a socialist country, they actually tax the wealthy. The US taxes middle class. God forbid if the wealthy had to give back the money they "earned" off the backs of their employees.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ment-debt.html
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      Quote Originally Posted by winstonsmith84 View Post
      Tax? I don't mind paying state sales tax. Every time a see a pothole, a school that is falling down or a canceled essential state program, I remind myself why.
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      04-14-2012 04:33 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz27 View Post
      It's something interesting to note, but most of those countries that are highly rated are more or less tiny European places that are highly homogeneous. I'm not sure people would buy into that here in the US of A.
      I'm not sure what homogeneity (of what sort? Racial? Income? Political view?) has to do with taxation.

      Canada, for example, isn't especially homogenous and generally rates higher than the US in terms of quality of life as well as taxation rates.

      If nothing else, it casts doubt on the argument that lower taxes are the only way to live better.

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      04-14-2012 04:34 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by Jader Pack View Post
      I pay taxes. My income is above average, and also I'm Canadian.

      There's no need to read between the lines. I've said exactly what I mean: there's a strong correlation between a country's citizens having a high quality of life and that country having a high tax rate.
      Canada has a population of 33 million, the US has ten times that amount. Full-blown socialism ain't gonna cut it, sorry.
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      04-14-2012 04:36 PM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by spkn^GRMN View Post
      At least you admit it in public unlike some of our elected officials. For that I commend you.
      But, I have to ask, is America on the verge of turning into a socialist nation as a whole and how if so would this transform into a better system of life here?
      Many of the countries I mentioned earlier have many "socialist" programs that people fight against tooth and nail in the USA. And, again, they have a higher quality of life by almost any measure than the USA.

      I'm not implying a causal relationship, mind you. I'm simply saying that this fear you seem to have that high taxes and socialism in certain areas lead to bad things is unfounded. Generally, the opposite is true.

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      04-14-2012 04:37 PM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by B3sat16v View Post
      We need to go back to full blown Capitalism. Survival of the fittest and the brightest.
      Why? What are you basing this assumption that capitalism is better than socialism 100% of the time on?

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      04-14-2012 04:38 PM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by B3sat16v View Post
      I can tell none of you have ever lived, or been to a Socialist Country.
      What aspect of life in what country are you referring to?

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      04-14-2012 04:39 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by Jader Pack View Post
      I'm not sure what homogeneity (of what sort? Racial? Income? Political view?) has to do with taxation.

      Canada, for example, isn't especially homogenous and generally rates higher than the US in terms of quality of life as well as taxation rates.

      If nothing else, it casts doubt on the argument that lower taxes are the only way to live better.
      Politically and racially, mostly. Plus, with such a huge population, I think it's just much harder to pull off. When I think of places like France or Finland or Canada the population is small and more or less in the same boat. I think it's hard to get someone from South Beach to be of a similar mindset to someone from Muncie, Indiana. Places like Sweden don't have this problem. Everyone looks the same, has the same views, and has a similar heritage.

      If America decided to pull a China it might work, but I don't see us becoming Germany or even England.

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      04-14-2012 04:41 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by spkn^GRMN View Post
      Canada has a population of 33 million, the US has ten times that amount. Full-blown socialism ain't gonna cut it, sorry.
      What exactly about it doesn't scale up?

      Many of the countries I mentioned have larger populations than Canada. At what level of population does socialism become impossible?

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      04-14-2012 04:43 PM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by Jader Pack View Post
      Why? What are you basing this assumption that capitalism is better than socialism 100% of the time on?
      Uhhhh Yes! Hasn't America not been the most prosperous country on the face of the earth? What is our system here again?
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      04-14-2012 04:44 PM #92
      Quote Originally Posted by Jader Pack View Post
      What aspect of life in what country are you referring to?
      I am not sure your question is clear enough.

      Fact is that we are Humans, and we will always want more that the guy next door. Even in Communist/Socialistic countries there is an upper crust that has more than average Joe. If you were born or are capable to get into that crust, you will have a better way of life than many. I have experiences this first hand for nearly 16 years and some of my relatives for nearly 50 years. All you have to do is look at the History of these current countries like the one you are living in, China. Even though they are Communist/Socialist, there are huge differences in classes.

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      04-14-2012 04:44 PM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by Jader Pack View Post
      What exactly about it doesn't scale up?

      Many of the countries I mentioned have larger populations than Canada. At what level of population does socialism become impossible?
      People fight tooth and nail to come to America from all over the world. Canada?
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      04-14-2012 04:45 PM #94
      Quote Originally Posted by spkn^GRMN View Post
      People fight tooth and nail to come to America from all over the third world. Canada?
      FTFY

      People from civilized countries don't come to the US that often
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      Tax? I don't mind paying state sales tax. Every time a see a pothole, a school that is falling down or a canceled essential state program, I remind myself why.
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      04-14-2012 04:46 PM #95
      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz27 View Post
      Politically and racially, mostly. Plus, with such a huge population, I think it's just much harder to pull off. When I think of places like France or Finland or Canada the population is small and more or less in the same boat. I think it's hard to get someone from South Beach to be of a similar mindset to someone from Muncie, Indiana. Places like Sweden don't have this problem. Everyone looks the same, has the same views, and has a similar heritage.

      If America decided to pull a China it might work, but I don't see us becoming Germany or even England.
      I don't know. I'm not so sure that the USA is so radically different from the UK. There are regional differences far older there than in the USA, there are different races and there are different opinions on politics.

      I think the real obstacle is the fact that so many Americans seem to simply be indoctrinated with the idea that socialism of any kind is evil. As the many countries with high taxes and high quality of life on that list prove, it really isn't that black and white.

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      04-14-2012 04:47 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by spkn^GRMN View Post
      Uhhhh Yes! Hasn't America not been the most prosperous country on the face of the earth? What is our system here again?
      Given a choice between being a "prosperous country" and having a higher quality of life, I'll take the latter. Of what benefit is all that prosperity if it doesn't make your life better?

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      04-14-2012 04:48 PM #97
      Quote Originally Posted by Egilbe View Post
      FTFY

      People from civilized countries don't come to the US that often
      Really? You have strolled around college campuses lately or met many business owners have you?
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      04-14-2012 04:50 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by Jader Pack View Post
      Why? What are you basing this assumption that capitalism is better than socialism 100% of the time on?
      People go to work because they are rewarded for their hard work by getting payed. Eventually in a socialist system the middle class loses the will to work, joins the freeloaders, and the money runs out. It's a simple fact of nature that freeloaders are either punished or everyone becomes a freeloader.
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      04-14-2012 04:51 PM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by Jader Pack View Post
      Given a choice between being a "prosperous country" and having a higher quality of life, I'll take the latter. Of what benefit is all that prosperity if it doesn't make your life better?
      Compare the US's nation debt to Germany's.....
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      04-14-2012 04:52 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by Jader Pack View Post
      Given a choice between being a "prosperous country" and having a higher quality of life, I'll take the latter. Of what benefit is all that prosperity if it doesn't make your life better?
      Higher quality of life for who? You because if things were to change tomorrow and the entire country flipped to socialism, not a thing would change for you. The inner city and the extremely poor would get your money. If you think you'd be getting anything you're mistaken. And by "you" I mean everyone who is fortunate enough to have the access to and free time to post on the internet.
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